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why did people complain about the gruff white male protagonist of Days gone but not RDR 2?
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Bumblebeetuna
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1. The supposed outrage because of cancel culture was not as big as people made it seem, people were just looking for excuses for why an average game was not getting 9’s.
2. People didn’t dislike the character because he was a gruff white male, they disliked him because the writing was terrible.
3. Arthur is in a masterpiece of a game, not an average one.
These are actually the perfect characters to compare. They are both gruff white males in open world games. One is written extremely well and allows you to show some of your own personality and the other is Deacon Kane or whatever his stupid ass name was.
2. People didn’t dislike the character because he was a gruff white male, they disliked him because the writing was terrible.
3. Arthur is in a masterpiece of a game, not an average one.
These are actually the perfect characters to compare. They are both gruff white males in open world games. One is written extremely well and allows you to show some of your own personality and the other is Deacon Kane or whatever his stupid ass name was.
NotMyProblemAnymoreCunt
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Nester99
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He turned into such a useless beta bitch it upset me greatly.
Spends the first half of the game killing everything that can move looking for his long lost wife he "KNOWS" is still alive.
Then guess what, he fucking finds her and instead of "Bikering" the shit out of that compound like an ACTUAL Fake Video Game outlaw biker would..
we literally grab a mop and cuck it up in her camp and hide the fact we are married, dont do anything, dont even saver her for many chapters. It was horse shit and ruined the game for me.
Spends the first half of the game killing everything that can move looking for his long lost wife he "KNOWS" is still alive.
Then guess what, he fucking finds her and instead of "Bikering" the shit out of that compound like an ACTUAL Fake Video Game outlaw biker would..
we literally grab a mop and cuck it up in her camp and hide the fact we are married, dont do anything, dont even saver her for many chapters. It was horse shit and ruined the game for me.
DaciaJC
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Eh, people did complain about Arthur in RDR2. I remember certain ... places had the usual woke loudmouths complaining after the reveal trailer "WTF Rockstar, another white dude?!?"
Funny how none of them seemed to remember that once the game came out and it turned out Arthur Morgan was one of the best-written protagonists in years.
Funny how none of them seemed to remember that once the game came out and it turned out Arthur Morgan was one of the best-written protagonists in years.
xrnzaaas
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The wedding scene (and quote) was a perfect excuse for certain people to target Days Gone. That lead to lower review scores and combined with poor performance & bugs at launch Sony had a good excuse to say it didn't sell as good as it should.
Arthur's character was much better written and it would be harder to target him. Some folks probably still complained, but they weren't heard as the game was a massive sales hit.
Arthur's character was much better written and it would be harder to target him. Some folks probably still complained, but they weren't heard as the game was a massive sales hit.
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HerjansEagleFeeder
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People are stupid and hypocrites.
RickSanchez
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bitbydeath
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Check out post #26
There’s many childish quotes from:
Polygon
Eurogamer
Kotaku
The Guardian
IGN
Gamespot
GamesRadar
+ Others
And they were the reviewers.
Cakeboxer
Gold Member
The both have a straight white male as main protagonists which is the ultimate evil since 2010.
Nobody atacks a Rockstar game that most likely scores 95+ and sells 50 million+
Days Gone on the other hand had bad performance, bad scores and poorly written characters. Easy target.
Nobody atacks a Rockstar game that most likely scores 95+ and sells 50 million+
Days Gone on the other hand had bad performance, bad scores and poorly written characters. Easy target.
BadBreathOfTheWild
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Nothing I can remember about Deke offended me or rubbed me the wrong way. I just thought he was boring and sometimes a bit cheesy or angsty teenager, but that could just be a cultural difference. Also every line the VO actor delivered seemed to be end with a breathy exasperated grunt which once I noticed I couldn't stop noticing.
I also just didn't get emotionally engaged with the story in any way. It wasn’t bad, but it just didn’t hook me in as other games have.
The gameplay and setting itself was pretty fun if that's what you're into. My younger brother was hooked on it and 100%’d the lot.
Culture warring is as tedious as platform warring.
I also just didn't get emotionally engaged with the story in any way. It wasn’t bad, but it just didn’t hook me in as other games have.
The gameplay and setting itself was pretty fun if that's what you're into. My younger brother was hooked on it and 100%’d the lot.
Culture warring is as tedious as platform warring.
WX3
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This MF right here talking to himself all day, everyday, is the reason I stopped playing this game.
more like rockstar simping lol.Sony Tax
Big Baller
Al Pachinko, Konami President
Because he's white trash
Because the gaming world is reactionary and often very hive minded.
There was a whole thing with "promise to ride me as much as you ride your bike" and that kicked off debates about misogyny and masculinity. This doesn't change the fact that RDR2 is considered a better game for most but the more widespread hate for the masculine character stems from those debates that kicked off.
There was a whole thing with "promise to ride me as much as you ride your bike" and that kicked off debates about misogyny and masculinity. This doesn't change the fact that RDR2 is considered a better game for most but the more widespread hate for the masculine character stems from those debates that kicked off.
mansoor1980
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because he rode his wife like he rode his bike
StueyDuck
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Game Journos had a bone to pick with this game long before it ever released.I do find it interesting that the discourse around Days Gone was Deacon was another "gruff white male" protagonist. It permeated through the discussion of the game from the beginning and even IGN mentioned it in their review..
although i remember their was never really any criticism about this for RDR 2 and Arthur who by all intends and purposes was another "gruff white male"
why was it different
Many people just parrot opinions they hear others say rather than think for themselves. Deacon was actually a pretty cool character, he seemed like a nutjob but had honor and was actually pretty level headed in many situations. I never felt he did things where I was like "what, why would you do that".
There's actually very select game Journos you can point out who very clearly sat in their little slack channel and created this narrative prior to launch. I remember the Gamespot Journo being essentially a leader in the movement.
My assumption is that there was some bad blood behind the scenes that we will never know the full story about what actually happened. Did a woke bend dei hire start a little backstab mission to get garvin and Ross ousted
, did bend not treat gamespot well or criticize some reviewer over a psp or vita game they made . Who knows but there's definitely more to hating Days Gone then a sex joke made by a character.
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GigaBowser
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genius buuuuut i dont like it all hahahah
Angry_Megalodon
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It's pretty disingenuous to blame the writing when those comments happened right at the game reveal. And no, journos, they didn't have a crystal ball knowing that the writing would be bad.
Days Gone / Deacon was just an easy target and bullies love easy targets. A generic-looking zombie game with an alpha dude as protagonist needed to be demolished, as simple as that. Rockstar has plot armor, but Bend Studio doesn't. The media knows who they can go against without backlash, that's why they don't attack Japan as they did in the past and instead, they defame Chinese and Korean games. They are fucking weasels.
In the case of people like Jason Schreier, quite probably in his high school years, he saw dudes like Deacon banging the girls he jerked off at and that bitterness is still gnawing at him.
Days Gone / Deacon was just an easy target and bullies love easy targets. A generic-looking zombie game with an alpha dude as protagonist needed to be demolished, as simple as that. Rockstar has plot armor, but Bend Studio doesn't. The media knows who they can go against without backlash, that's why they don't attack Japan as they did in the past and instead, they defame Chinese and Korean games. They are fucking weasels.
In the case of people like Jason Schreier, quite probably in his high school years, he saw dudes like Deacon banging the girls he jerked off at and that bitterness is still gnawing at him.
GulfCoastZilla
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What? This place had a melt down when it was announced that the lead in RDR2 was another white male. But that was a different crowd in majority here back then.
GigaBowser
The bear of bad news
I wars good at football in highschool before i got fat
Killjoy-NL
Banned
Isn't that just the same thing?
Holy shit dude that's harsh, did Jason even say anything bad about Days Gone? I don't remember him saying anything at all on it.
Lucifers Beard
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Because Arthur was an interesting protagonist. There were aspects of his character that I think a lot of people could relate to and he was just believable. Deacon from what I played was more annoying than anything else.
PatientGamer
Member
Maybe people are a little tired of the Delsin Rowe types of guys in games. Less to do with race as Rowe isn't white but more so the character design maybe?
Also back in RDR2 time period, everyone looked like Arthur
Also back in RDR2 time period, everyone looked like Arthur
laynelane
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Yep, those were the bloggers I was thinking of (stopped calling them journalists a while ago). "Childish quotes" is a good way to put it too.
yanhash
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Angry_Megalodon
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Y'all really think Deacon is anywhere close to as well written a modern Rockstar protagonist, thats like comparing sons of anarchy with The Sopranos
Nobody claimed that and the images you posted prove the actual reasons why Days Gone was attacked by soyboys and rabid feminists who have 50 shades of Grey on their bedside table.
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DanielG165
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Deacon was uninteresting, despite Sam Witwer’s great performance. Arthur Morgan is the best modern video game character created thus far. That’s the difference.
mansoor1980
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Pasta la Vista
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So the title of your thread you use the term "people". What do you mean by that? Are you talking specifically about just people in general? Or are you talking about the critical reception from games media? Because those are 2 different things.
Are you trying to have a nuanced discussion about the strengths and weaknesses of these characters? Or are you just looking for acknowledgment for your opinion?
Both characters couldn't be more different, but even you are generalizing them both as "gruff white males" as if that is their only traits as characters.
OP reads more like another butthurt Days Gone fan that can't accept the game was middling at best with shit writing, terrible pacing and a boring world set in yet ANOTHER zombie apocalypse. This is my personal opinion of someone who played the game, not games media.
Are you trying to have a nuanced discussion about the strengths and weaknesses of these characters? Or are you just looking for acknowledgment for your opinion?
Both characters couldn't be more different, but even you are generalizing them both as "gruff white males" as if that is their only traits as characters.
OP reads more like another butthurt Days Gone fan that can't accept the game was middling at best with shit writing, terrible pacing and a boring world set in yet ANOTHER zombie apocalypse. This is my personal opinion of someone who played the game, not games media.
Soleil rouge
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You can easily tell when people didn't play much of Days Gone. The gaming media had a massive hate boner for it right out of the gate because it wasn't woke enough. Lots of people bought into it because it was easy to dismiss it as another generic zombie game with a huwhite male protagonist. Especially when you just play a small portion of it. RDR2 was the first of it's kind in a way, so it was harder to call it generic.
However, the game is actually woke as fuck. The story and gameplay have an insanely good progression, and it has one of the best cliff hanger endings of all time.
Not to mention the gameplay is MILES better than RDR2. The gameplay loop with a fully upgraded Decon is the best open world gameplay that currently exists. I can't even enjoy RDR2 without 50+ mods that dramatically improve the quality of life.
While I admit DG has a terribly paced first act, I feel it's the first open world game that doesn't even need mods to improve the fun factor.
However, the game is actually woke as fuck. The story and gameplay have an insanely good progression, and it has one of the best cliff hanger endings of all time.
Not to mention the gameplay is MILES better than RDR2. The gameplay loop with a fully upgraded Decon is the best open world gameplay that currently exists. I can't even enjoy RDR2 without 50+ mods that dramatically improve the quality of life.
While I admit DG has a terribly paced first act, I feel it's the first open world game that doesn't even need mods to improve the fun factor.
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killatopak
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They can't handle more than one horsepower.
sloppyjoe_gamer
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Days Gone guy was a pansy
Kokoloko85
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Because Playstation
