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[Daniel_Mallorca1985]

 

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VGchartz

 

[ShaiKhulud1989]

The source is shit on both accounts, but based on recent financials XBS is really trailing behind XBO and floating around 29mil

 

[Unknown Soldier]

VG Chartz is all fake and made up but most people agree XSeX has a sales decline from XBone

 

[FrankWza]

100 million console sales for once

 

[Mr Moose]

VGChartz?

 

[adamsapple]

Vgchartz?

Mallorca'd again !!

 

[Mercenary09]

Yeah they aren't a great source but tbh their numbers I really don't think are far off. Xbox is doing worse every gen. It would be far worse if the Series S didn't exist too

 

[kazuyamishima]

VGChartz got better for the last couple of years, they are closer now compared to the manufacturers financial results.

 

[Blank Space Invader]

 

[DeepEnigma]

Vgchartz?

Mallorca'd again !!

Holla 'atcha boi

 

[Kerotan]

Yeah they aren't a great source but tbh their numbers I really don't think are far off. Xbox is doing worse every gen. It would be far worse if the Series S didn't exist too

How did they manage to do even worse this gen and it feels like sales are collapsing fast. Will it even pass 50M?

 

[Topher]

Holla 'atcha boi

 

[pasterpl]

Good to know that VG Chartz are trusted source again.

BTW. I was estimating that series X/s is around 30 mln myself.

 

[Cakeboxer]

They aren't even trying anymore. Instead of price cuts for the existing hardware and Sony level marketing they release an overpriced 2TB edition. Genius move.

 

[Duchess]

It's sobering to think that the PS5 has outsold the Xbox Series X by a ratio of over 6:1.

Edit: that ratio is basically PS2 vs Xbox OG.

 

[pasterpl]

It's sobering to think that the PS5 has outsold the Xbox Series X by a ratio of over 6:1.

Edit: that ratio is basically PS2 vs Xbox OG.

It is actually something around 2.2:1 global since launch. U less I missed something and PS5 has now sold 180mln units.

 

[Killjoy-NL]

How did they manage to do even worse this gen and it feels like sales are collapsing fast. Will it even pass 50M?

They will be lucky to pass 35M.

 

[odhiex]

To be fair, PS5 is also behind PS4 sales numbers according to VGChartz

 

[Tiago Rodrigues]

The fact that all consoles sales from Xbox since Xbox 360 ended can't match PS5's sales alone is...something.

And that gap is only getting bigger now since they aren't selling just 2 to 1 anymore.

 

[Geometric-Crusher]

VG Chartz saying 30M is less accurate than me saying 27M. Xbox will take a while to pass the N64 even with more games and longer time on the market.

 

[Alan Wake]

And it's downhill every quarter now.

 

[pasterpl]

To be fair, PS5 is also behind PS4 sales numbers according to VGChartz

Should we create a separate thread for this or mods will update title of this one?

 

[Geometric-Crusher]

XOne: 33.21M
XSX|S: 30.14M

47 months

PS4: 64.92M
PS5: 61.94M

Logic proves that it would be impossible for xbsx to be close to xbox one during this period because xbox one, despite initial criticism, maintained a solid average of annual sales while xbsx we only have reports indicating a year-on-year drop in sales.

 

[Mr Moose]

It is actually something around 2.2:1 global since launch. U less I missed something and PS5 has now sold 180mln units.

Series X, not S/X together.

 

[DenchDeckard]

XOne: 33.21M
XSX|S: 30.14M

47 months

PS4: 64.92M
PS5: 61.94M

Logic proves that it would be impossible for xbsx to be close to xbox one during this period because xbox one, despite initial criticism, maintained a solid average of annual sales while xbsx we only have reports indicating a year-on-year drop in sales.

So PS5 is 3 million units behind PS4?

Its the end of the world! - How are sales declining this much?

 

[Woopah]

It's sobering to think that the PS5 has outsold the Xbox Series X by a ratio of over 6:1.

Edit: that ratio is basically PS2 vs Xbox OG.

Why would you compare just to the Series X? It would be like comparing Xbox Series against just the Switch Lite.

 

[pasterpl]

Series X, not S/X together.

Why separating it? It is same gen. Maybe we should look Xbox series x vs ps5 disc drive.

 

[Duchess]

Why would you compare just to the Series X?

Because the Xbox Series X is closer to the PS5 in terms of specs.

 

[DJ12]

Holla 'atcha boi

Probably means the actual number was far lower.

 

[Mr Moose]

So PS5 is 3 million units behind PS4?

Its the end of the world! - How are sales declining this much?

They make shit up, don't believe their numbers.

Sales-Age - Sony Q1 FY24: PS5 Hardware 2.40m LTD 61.7m

https://www.sony.com/en/SonyInfo/IR/library/presen/er/pdf/24q1_supplement.pdf

www.neogaf.com

 

[HeWhoWalks]

So PS5 is 3 million units behind PS4?

Its the end of the world! - How are sales declining this much?

Are you really doing this to yourself?

A. It’s VGC. Those estimates are sure to be wrong in both cases.
B. If one really wants to even pretend the situations are the same when we’ve had so much evidence suggesting how much trouble Xbox is in (including putting their games on their biggest competitor’s platform), then that’s the biggest example of wearing tinted glasses I’ve seen in a while.

 

[Woopah]

Because the Xbox Series X is closer to the PS5 in terms of specs.

Why does that matter when comparing hardware sales? You should always compare all models vs. all models.

 

[midnightAI]

Are you really doing this to yourself?

A. It’s VGC. Those estimates are sure to be wrong in both cases.
B. If one really wants to even pretend the situations are the same when we’ve had so much evidence suggesting how much trouble Xbox is in (including putting their games on their biggest competitor’s platform), then that’s the biggest example of wearing tinted glasses I’ve seen in a while.

I took that DenchDeckard post as sarcasm? (3 million behind is nothing in the greater scheme of things and sales may pick up again now Pro is being released as some will be waiting)

 

[Thick Thighs Save Lives]

So PS5 is 3 million units behind PS4?

Its the end of the world! - How are sales declining this much?

Launch aligned the PS5 is 1.8 million behind PS4 as per the latest official data we have from Sony and their next earnings call is this week, Nov 8th - https://www.sony.com/en/SonyInfo/IR/library/presen/er/

Hardware sales are down 0.9 million year over year for the quarter.

PS5 Versus PS4

For the 1st quarter of the 4th full fiscal year (orange) the 2.4 million the PS5 shipped is 0.9 million down on PS4's 3.3 million and after 15 quarters the PS5 totals 61.7 million compared to 63.5 million for the PS4. This means launch aligned the PS5 is 1.8 million behind PS4.

 

[HeWhoWalks]

I took that DenchDeckard post as sarcasm? (3 million behind is nothing in the greater scheme of things and sales may pick up again now Pro is being released as some will be waiting)

“Sarcasm”

Issue begins with the source. What are we even giving VGC numbers a thread?

 

[TBiddy]

I took that DenchDeckard post as sarcasm? (3 million behind is nothing in the greater scheme of things and sales may pick up again now Pro is being released as some will be waiting)

Looks like pretty obvious sarcasm yes. The PS5 is obviously selling well.

 

[crazyriddler]

Because the Xbox Series X is closer to the PS5 in terms of specs.

It doesn't make any sense, for microsoft (and for the market) it doesn't matter if the xbox sold is the s or the x because they are the same platform with the same games.

 

[Mr.Phoenix]

So XB1 trailed 360, and XBS is trailing XB1... and yet they want to make another console?

Why?

 

[buenoblue]

I've said it a million times before. They have made me not need to buy an Xbox. I just pay for gamepass twice a year and play the games on pc

 

[Woopah]

So XB1 trailed 360, and XBS is trailing XB1... and yet they want to make another console?

Why?

To make money from it and see if they can increase profits.

SNES trailed the NES and the N64 trailed the SNES. Nintendo still went ahead and made the GameCube and then the Wii.

 

[DenchDeckard]

They make shit up, don't believe their numbers.

Sales-Age - Sony Q1 FY24: PS5 Hardware 2.40m LTD 61.7m

https://www.sony.com/en/SonyInfo/IR/library/presen/er/pdf/24q1_supplement.pdf

www.neogaf.com

Are you really doing this to yourself?

A. It’s VGC. Those estimates are sure to be wrong in both cases.
B. If one really wants to even pretend the situations are the same when we’ve had so much evidence suggesting how much trouble Xbox is in (including putting their games on their biggest competitor’s platform), then that’s the biggest example of wearing tinted glasses I’ve seen in a while.

I took that DenchDeckard post as sarcasm? (3 million behind is nothing in the greater scheme of things and sales may pick up again now Pro is being released as some will be waiting)

Thanks Midnight! - I thought my post was obvious. 3 million is nothing at all really.

Also, I did think the Sony numbers were official confirmed numbers from Sony not VGC bollox lol

 

[HeWhoWalks]

Thanks Midnight! - I thought my post was obvious. 3 million is nothing at all really.

Considering I saw your post in the Pro thread (about the stand, which also comes off as sarcasm, but I saw through that one Denchy) at the exact same time, maybe switch up your tactic….. Yes, I’m f*ing with you.

You agree that VGC numbers are bogus, so we’re still all good!

 

[Moriarty1889]

How did they manage to do even worse this gen and it feels like sales are collapsing fast. Will it even pass 50M?

Because last gen they were making more games for the Xbox One and trying to compete selling the hardware with price cuts and revisions. Also, they weren’t pushing people to not buy an Xbox console because they could just get gamepass and play anywhere. They have done the most stupid things and it has directly ruined their console sales as well as game sales. Worst management they have ever had and yet they still allow them to remain in position to further ruin what’s left.

 

[Dr. Wilkinson]

Doesn’t VGChartz simply make things up? I thought it was banned as a source of data.

 

[Zacfoldor]

Okay, here's the thing with all the VGChartz hate.

I'm pretty new here but I was a main poster over there for a loooong time in my youth.

My question to you is this.

Assuming that corrections are issued everytime actual numbers are gleaned, how far off do you think they actually could possibly be on big 3 hardware?

I get the criticism about game sales and week to week, but even Xbox flashed figures recently and iirc weren't they pretty close to VGChartz educated guesses anyway? It's not a complicated guess, it's pretty obvious as long as you correct along the way, big 3 hardware is pretty close imho. It would take high levels of ineptitude to be far off, is what I'm saying. It's gonna be close. It ain't news or anything, but I would be surprised if these numbers are ever far off from being about right on big 3 hardware.

 

[Killjoy-NL]

Looks like pretty obvious sarcasm yes. The PS5 is obviously selling well.

People also shouldn't forget that PS5 suffered from massive supply constraints for 2 years and is priced higher today than at launch.

And Playstation Studios is gearing up their next wave of titles from their main studios.

 

[mckmas8808]

Why does that matter when comparing hardware sales? You should always compare all models vs. all models.

Quality of gameplay. It's nice to have people remember that the Series S is literally different from the Series X.

 

[diffusionx]

How did they manage to do even worse this gen and it feels like sales are collapsing fast. Will it even pass 50M?

For the first couple years at least, Xbox One's software lineup was actually pretty good.

 

[Woopah]

Quality of gameplay. It's nice to have people remember that the Series S is literally different from the Series X.

Money is money. When someone buys a game from Microsoft, what they care about is the $70. The graphic settings that player is seeing doesn't matter to them.