IIRC, the reason GL got greenlit in the first place was because the script was fantastic. It then got butchered by WB.
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Batman v. Superman RT Thread: like standing ovations in rain
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Let's stay on track here. The guy made a flippant remark about Miller being thanked in the post-credits as yet one more reason the movie isn't up to snuff, and you responded by bringing up Miller's comic efforts.
It's a non sequitur on your part. Aside from the IPs, the two do not overlap. Nothing revisionist about it. Think less DKR/Year One and more Robocop 2/The Spirit.
Saying Kobe is shit on the court these days doesn't retroactively diminish his prior excellence.
In addition to that, many of the superhero films can belong to different genres. For example, Thor is more of a fantasy film, whereas Ant-Man was a heist film and Guardians of the Galaxy a scifi adventure. That, and I have been watching frequent major superhero films ever since the late 90's now. We are at a peak, probably (though the TV series are only adding more to that), but I can't see them suddenly dissapearing, as the superhero thing can be done in an infinite number of ways.
Agreed. The reviews have swayed me as well and I was as hyped as anyone to see this. I'll rent it as soon as it's available, but with the reviews going from bad to worse it's not worth my time. In fact, this is potentially strike three for me regarding Snyder. I am about done with that guy. And if he still ends up doing JL, I don't even care anymore.
Even without a ironclad NDAs, releasing a screed on social media is tantamount to career suicide. The studio has a marketing department for a reason.
It wasn't just the script that got butchered. Nothing about the movie felt complete by the time it hit the screens. It was a really confused film, and it was clear there were subplots and character arcs which were being built at the start which got excised, only for the pay offs to appear at the end without any impact.
Still better than Daredevil.
Gordon Shumway
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He knows the movie ain't gonna t
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Bullshit.
Don't blame the character, blame the storytellers and studio execs who can't get him right.
Dash_Riprock
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This is absolutely maddening. I'm partially entertained and partially destroyed, but the film currently has a lower critical reception than Amazing Spider-Man 2, X-men: The Last Stand, Daredevil, Batman Forever, and is hovering at just above X-men Origins: Wolverine levels.
How do you DO that? It's Batman and Superman. You have to actively TRY and get it wrong.
How do you DO that? It's Batman and Superman. You have to actively TRY and get it wrong.
Hiring Zach Snyder?
Richard Donner is spinning in his grave.
Sgt. Kabukiman
Banned
Here's my review that I just posted in the DCCU thread :
I went in there wanting to like this movie but I was incredibly let down. If think it doesn't matter if you liked Man of Steel or not, I just don't see many people liking this movie. The audience I was with was really impatient during the end of the film, everyone was talking and laughing...
I went in there wanting to like this movie but I was incredibly let down. If think it doesn't matter if you liked Man of Steel or not, I just don't see many people liking this movie. The audience I was with was really impatient during the end of the film, everyone was talking and laughing...
The only people who say this are the people who don't read Superman stories.
George Oscar Bluth II
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Richard Donner is still alive!
Dash_Riprock
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Why? They don't want to make money? lol
Makes no sense.
He's a much better character than fucking Ant-Man lol....and Ant-Man just had a good movie.
Screaming Meat
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Disagree. Denny absolutely changed comic book readers perception of the character, I couldn't argue that.
I can't reiterate this enough: TDKR broke through into the mainstream where people's only connection to the character was from the 60s series. It was, as a TPB, bought by people who had never picked up a comic book in their life. It's importance at the time can't be understated and, as I said, arguably led to Burton's Batman, which was a huge game changer.
Anyway, we're going around in circles.
Yikes. Are the fights really not better than MoS?
Baron von Loathsome
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The movie's Tomato Meter score is Thanos.
Screaming Meat
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Wha...? Miller being thanked having anything to do with the quality of the movie is the non-sequitur here, surely?
Scot Lang ant man you mean, Hank Pym shits on Superman
Batman v Superman |OT| Thanos Wouldn't Be Seen in This
Damn straight. I still rank Rises over everything Marvel has put out... except maybe Winter Soldier.
No one is going to step in to stop a monopoly in an industry that pulls less revenue in its entirety than some F2P phone games do. I doubt anyone would care if Disney bought DC from Time Warner. Also, Image and others still control a third of that market.
Why would Disney want DC though?
Why would Disney want DC though?
Is that part about EW true? It was one of the harshest reviews if I recall correctly.
Yeah Warner Bros owns DC Comics and Time Magazine's Publishing which publishes Entertainment Weekly.
For Batman, that's all really.
Oh my god
Pai Pai Master
Banned
Yo, depends on what Ant-Man you're referring to. Hank Pym is one of the greatest and most complex superheroes in mainstream comics
Sgt. Kabukiman
Banned
The Batman vs Superman fight is not particularly long. Superman gets punched a lot and Batman is an absolute brute except he's so completely misguided while Superman is just trying to save lives that you end up rooting against Batman because of his stupidity. The fight choreography is vastly inferior to the Smallville fight.
The Doomsday fight... It might be good if you just watch that scene but at that point in the movie I just didn't care anymore.
NealMcCauley
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I actually didn't mean that at all, I meant it as a hint about what to expect ie grimdark extreme Batman, borderline impotent Superman, women without power are nothing more than damsels in distress. Stuff like that.
captainnapalm
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Doing a straight superhero genre-piece really shouldn't be a big challenge. I mean, the genre had become so defined by the 80s that writers like Alan Moore and Grant Morrison could come in and start playing with the formula in more interesting ways. But they could only do that because the form itself had become so established.
And all this movie really needed to do was use the established form. It would have made people happy if it was just a straight-up enjoyable superhero story, told with all the flashy tools that the movies now have at their disposal.
LegendofDragoonLives
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Guardians is set in space so some changes will be there. But lack of care on overall plot and focus on protagonists which is always a strength for Marvel, useless underdeveloped villain, ending arc being bad, & quips all fall in line with Ironman, Guardians and the rest of them sans WS.
Those beats were thrown in there with some awful execution. You also had to add something to it since it's the entire reason Stark makes Ultron in the movie, and they added the bare minimum in terms of reasoning. They all have the exact same flaws that they had in earlier movies, so I don't see how they try to remedy them unless they're the biggest failures in cinema at fixing mistakes (which isn't the case).
Baron von Loathsome
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Is that part about EW true? It was one of the harshest reviews if I recall correctly.
EW is owned by Time Inc., which used to be part of Time Warner. It's now a separately-traded company.
Marvel could buy Darkhorse, Image, and IDW and it would get a 3 paragraph blurb in the back of most business mags
Familienoberhauptvogel
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Not just the gaf vers DKR is awful. It's just stupid for the most part and inconsistent for the rest.
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