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Batman v. Superman RT Thread: like standing ovations in rain

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So who would be up for JJ Abrams helming the DCCU? It'll be safe, mainstream, popular, and probably soulless, but the reviews will be great!

I mean it's all those things already just for the opposite reasons.

You're never going to get an art director for this stuff you're just not, Kevin Feige is about as far in the spectrum in terms of experimentation as you're gonna get.
 
So who would be up for JJ Abrams helming the DCCU? It'll be safe, mainstream, popular, and probably soulless, but the reviews will be great!

At this point:

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This review is basically the epitome of the tone-critiquing that people are complaining about:

http://www.nytimes.com/2016/03/25/movies/review-batman-v-superman-dawn-of-justice-when-super-friends-fight.html?ribbon-ad-idx=2&rref=movies&module=ArrowsNav&contentCollection=Movies&action=swipe&region=FixedLeft&pgtype=article

Implicit in some of these reviews is the idea that films in the genre aren't allowed to take themselves seriously.

I'll say again: the "serious" or "dark" tone of this movie is not what makes it bad. What makes it bad is that it's a sloppy, poorly-executed mess, regardless of the subject matter.
 
For those who seen it how many times does snyder spam slow motion in this picture?

Just give me the count. eg;5 or 6 or lost count....etc.
 

icespide

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So who would be up for JJ Abrams helming the DCCU? It'll be safe, mainstream, popular, and probably soulless, but the reviews will be great!

helm the entire universe? no. the first movie to launch like 10 other ones and a whole universe? maybe

I'm okay with TFA being safe as long as they take chances with the rest of the saga
 
So who would be up for JJ Abrams helming the DCCU? It'll be safe, mainstream, popular, and probably soulless, but the reviews will be great!

Nah. Then I would go back to not giving a damn about movie theaters. I'd just watch everything on Netflix if I even bother to watch those safe, bland ass films. The promise of DC's cinematic universe is the only thing that got me on Fandango buying tickets.
 
Reminder: Abrams' initially wrote a Superman Trilogy where Krypton didn't blow up, the suit flew Superman around, and Lex Luthor was Kryptonian.

The Airplane rescue scene from that first script eventually made it into Superman Returns.

I think he's acknowledged that the film probably shouldn't have been made since? I believe he has.

I wouldn't mind him taking a crack at the DCU. But then again, I don't think he wants anything to do with any of this shit ever again. The man revived Star Wars. Go out on top.
 
I'd be okay with this. I think he'd at least cling onto familiar aspects of the characters and stories that would leave most fans feeling satisfied.

If it's anything like Star Wars/Trek, it'll be one half of a good movie and one half of a pandering, obvious nostalgia cash-in that sells itself on the Pavlovian response fanboys have to being reminded of things they liked when they were 15.
 
Reminder: Abrams' initially wrote a Superman Trilogy where Krypton didn't blow up, the suit flew Superman around, and Lex Luthor was Kryptonian.

The Airplane rescue scene from that first script eventually made it into Superman Returns.

1/4 ain't bad! Hell, 1/5 got Fulton Reed into prep school!
 

VanWinkle

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So who would be up for JJ Abrams helming the DCCU? It'll be safe, mainstream, popular, and probably soulless, but the reviews will be great!

I think the non-Snyder movies won't feel the same at all. BvS and MoS are the way they are because of Snyder's direction and editing. Regardless of whether people like that style or not, they are distinctly his own, and the other DCU movies that he's not direction are not his own.
 
So who would be up for JJ Abrams helming the DCCU? It'll be safe, mainstream, popular, and probably soulless, but the reviews will be great!

Or we could have someone who understands comics helming the DCCU. Someone who writes great comics and gets what makes all of these characters tick, someone who respects the source material but also understands the film industry, someone like.........Frank Miller!!!

This is a joke, don't let Frank Miller near anything unless heavily supervised.
 
For those who seen it how many times does snyder spam slow motion in this picture?

Just give me the count. eg;5 or 6 or lost count....etc.

The only time I specifically remember it being used was in a flashback sequence where it felt appropriate. I'm not saying it wasn't used otherwise, it just didn't stand out as being overused.
 
Or we could have someone who understands comics helming the DCCU. Someone who writes great comics and gets what makes all of these characters tick,

writing a comic isn't the same as writing a movie, and a lot of the people currently writing comics aren't great storytellers as it is.

Despite the existence of Scott McCloud's must-read book, understanding comics isn't all that hard.
 

Toa TAK

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Or we could have someone who understands comics helming the DCCU. Someone who writes great comics and gets what makes all of these characters tick, someone who respects the source material but also understands the film industry, someone like.........Frank Miller!!!

This is a joke, don't let Frank Miller near anything unless heavily supervised.
Frank Miller is who we NEEEEEDD.

Has anyone read his Master Race, though?
 
Or we could have someone who understands comics helming the DCCU. Someone who writes great comics and gets what makes all of these characters tick, someone who respects the source material but also understands the film industry, someone like.........Frank Miller!!!

This is a joke, don't let Frank Miller near anything unless heavily supervised.

"So get this right, SUPERMAN IS RONALD REAGANS GHOST, right. And Batman, he's the reincarnation of the man who invented the ideal of Anarchy and Total Justice."
 

NotLiquid

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So who would be up for JJ Abrams helming the DCCU? It'll be safe, mainstream, popular, and probably soulless, but the reviews will be great!

I feel like Abrams entered under Star Wars under fairly lucky circumstances. The series was under such dire circumstances in terms of reception and since his entire career mostly consists of safe movies obscured by marketing stunts, it actually worked this time for Star Wars to have a 200 million dollar fan movie that could have "good enough" pass as the best outcome. Mind you I'm not trying to take anything away from TFA since I really enjoyed the movie, but it's for the best that the next movie has a different director.

The only time Abrams almost got anywhere close to doing a movie that felt like it captured any essence unique to him was Super 8, which was an admirable effort but not all that great. I can't really see a guy like him ever helming a big media enterprise like this.
 
I really hope one day we reach the point where when you like a movie that's critically maligned, there isn't the need to shit all over critics for not watching them or appreciating them a certain way or whatever.

You're in the 35% or so that like the movie, that's fine, don't act like the opinions film critics are giving isn't valid because of it.

Yeah, that's not what I did at all.
 
writing a comic isn't the same as writing a movie, and a lot of the people currently writing comics aren't great storytellers as it is.

Despite the existence of Scott McCloud's must-read book, understanding comics isn't all that hard.

And yet, here we are, where the guy heading the biggest comic properties in the world doesn't.

Proof that Hollywood is kind of creatively bankrupt.
 

Crazyorloco

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I just looked at the audience score and it's at 82 percent. Wtf? I guess the public enjoys this wayyyy more than the critics.

This will probably one of the only movies i like but most critics don't.
 

kurahador

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So who would be up for JJ Abrams helming the DCCU? It'll be safe, mainstream, popular, and probably soulless, but the reviews will be great!

Superman definitely need his safe and mainstream interpretation of the character. I'll vote yes, even though I was disappointed with all JJ movies and tv shows.
 

Ristifer

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Once the RT figures started to get repeated throughout the thread, I knew the TFA arguments would come alive.

I'll take Abrams' safe approach over Snyder's vomit any day of the week.
 

Tobor

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So who would be up for JJ Abrams helming the DCCU? It'll be safe, mainstream, popular, and probably soulless, but the reviews will be great!

After TFA, sign me up. It would be a downgrade for him, though.

Honestly though, they need a Kevin Feige. A strong producer who cares about the materials and the characters and runs the show.

Someone whose first order of business is showing Snyder the door.
 

duckroll

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And yet, here we are, where the guy heading the biggest comic properties in the world doesn't.

Proof that Hollywood is kind of creatively bankrupt.

I don't think Snyder fails to understand comics at all. He just has a problem expressing himself in film. Look at Sucker Punch.
 

VenomBoss

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After TFA, sign me up. It would be a downgrade for him, though.

Honestly though, they need a Kevin Feige. A strong producer who cares about the materials and the characters and runs the show.

Someone whose first order of business is showing Snyder the door.

Lol Kevin Feige is a hustler. Only cares about money. As soon as he's done milking marvel phase 3 he'll be on the first ship out.
 
And yet, here we are, where the guy heading the biggest comic properties in the world doesn't.

Proof that Hollywood is kind of creatively bankrupt.

It's not really proof of that at all. It's proof that Warner Brothers hired a director who doesn't get story, and has never been good at it. That's not creative bankruptcy. Leveling that charge at WARNERS of all studios, really doesn't fit, not when we're less than a year removed from their paying for and releasing stuff like Creed and Mad Max.

Now you could argue that those films are sequels to 30 year old properties and therefore stick to the "creative bankruptcy" argument, but look at the creativity on display in those movies even as sequels. Look at the freedom afforded its storytellers by the studio. And that's not even looking at all the other films the studio released in that year, or the wide array of films produced and released by all the other studios in Hollywood.

We talk about "creative bankruptcy" on the part of Hollywood like it wasn't Hollywood that originated and paid for the precious originals of our childhood in the first place, like that stuff wasn't just as much product as this stuff is.

Batman v. Superman doesn't appear to be an example of creative bankruptcy at all. It appears to be an example of horrifically misplaced creativity.
 
i kind of want to rewatch sucker punch now...

If Chaw's review is at all accurate, you don't even really have to. This film essentially replaces it.

You really took that seriously?

Why wouldn't I?

I got that you were joking about Frank Miller thanks to the spoiler-tag shit, but the rest of the statement seemed pretty straight-faced, and echoes similar sentiments I've seen multiple times in regards to superhero adaptation.
 
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