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Batman v. Superman RT Thread: like standing ovations in rain

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Annoying Old Party Man

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WaterAstro said:
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Awfully high scoring
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Once again, rotten tomato scoring DOES NOT indicate HOW good a movie is.

Jesus Christ, it's not that hard to comprehend
 
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GAMEPROFF

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Anton Sugar said:
7.6/10 is about right. Maybe a little too high for me. It's better than average, but not great.

EDIT: Man, these threads really need to have an explanation of RT % vs average score at the top of every page.
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No reason, nobody cares. In the next thread where we rate a high anticipated movie which is rated good, nobody will care.
 
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A couple friends of mine told me they saw it and liked it. They said its better than Avengers 2, IM 2/3, Thor 1/2 and MoS, but not as good as Cap 2, IM, and TDK.

They aren't big fans of Snyder's Superman but like Batman and WW in this movie.

We talked about this Superman and came to the conclusion that Papa Kent instilled such a mistrust of people ( stupid death from not wanting Clark to show his powers) in him that Clark will always be a flawed Superman unless he gets over that mistrust.
 
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Blader

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onipex said:
A couple friends of mine told me they saw it and liked it. They said its better than Avengers 2, IM 2/3, Thor 1/2 and MoS, but not as good as Cap 2, IM, and TDK.

They aren't big fans of Snyder's Superman but like Batman and WW in this movie.

We talked about this Superman and came to the conclusion that Papa Kent instilled such a mistrust of people ( stupid death from not wanting Clark to show his powers) in him that Clark will always be a flawed Superman unless he gets over that mistrust.
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That feels like a potentially interesting story thread that Snyder would never pick up on :lol
 
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ViewtifulJC

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the avg score thing on RT is a bit fucked cuz a lot of reviews dont really submit numbers
You just gotta read the NYTimes review to see AO Scott hated it, no numbers to scroll down to.
 
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Bobby Roberts said:
That Chaw review almost made me want to see it more, honestly. I'm always fascinated by those off-the rails entries in a director's filmography, where they seem to let all the crazy monsters in their head go flying out onto the screen with no real regard for the viewer. Chaw namedropped Temple of Doom, and that's part of why I like that movie so much - it feels personal and revealing in a way I'm not sure Spielberg's ever been all that comfortable with. And he probably shouldn't. There's some weird, weird, ugly shit in that movie. It's part of Batman Returns' appeal, as well. That's one fucked-up, confused as hell Batman movie, but it's eminently rewatchable because Tim Burton is just using the character to go all manner of strange mental location, and that's not a thing these sorts of blockbusters tend to do. Avatar also did this to some degree, just let Cameron wallow in his crazy creative fetishes with no real checks and balances in place. And apparently, that's what's happened with Batman v Superman. We all thought Sucker Punch was that film for Snyder, but apparently that was just the warmup.

I don't know that I'm going to like this movie. It doesn't seem like I'm going to, based on what it's doing, and why it's doing it. But damned if I'm not gonna take my shot to experience Snyder's going over the cliff in a rail car while he chases the ghost of Watchmen.
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Yeah the narrative I remember hearing is the mood TOD strikes stems a lot from the ugly divorces Spielberg and Lucas had gone through before or during the making.
 
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Blader said:
I'd say it feels like certain fans are the ones who think superhero movies should be pigeonholed into "all comedy" or "all seriousness."

Nolan's trilogy was dark and grounded and widely acclaimed. Winter Soldier is the most grounded and serious of the MCU movies and is one of the most highly acclaimed of Marvel's movies. The problem is not dark superhero movies, the problem is assuming that making something dark and serious means having to suck all the fun and joy out of it -- which seems to be mainly a Snyder issue than anything else. There are plenty of other superhero directors (Nolan, Singer, the Russos) who know how to balance drama with levity in the right amounts in this genre.
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You're absolutely right, although one could argue that the Nolan films, especially The Dark Knight, was highly regarded more because it was tried to be a crime drama instead of a superhero movie. I think the balance was much easier to strike when the Nolan Bats movies were the most grounded (read: when they stripped off as much of the "superhero"-ness of the movies as possible). Incidentally, Dark Knight Rises lost the plot a bit in being far less grounded that resulted in just weird shit. And Winter Soldier being more serious worked in its favor as well (though it did have some quippy jokes which are always fair game, superhero movies don't have to be binary as either "comedy" or "super-serious").

Again, not to defend BvS. It sounds like the movie failed in way more ways than simply its tone, but I dunno. It seems to me like movie critics are far more eager to point out a superhero having no humor as a negative, than they are to point out when a movie just goes off the rails with over the top the comedy.
 
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Secret Fawful said:
I feel the exact same way, except for one thing: the movie might be honest, but it's also apparently mindnumbingly boring.
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Yep. If it wasn't for the overwhelming response of "it's pretty boring" I probably would see this tomorrow night just for the wow factor of its awfulness.

Now I'll probably still catch it, but I'm no longer expecting to have fun.

EatinOlives said:
You're absolutely right, although one could argue that the Nolan films, especially The Dark Knight, was highly regarded more because it was tried to be a crime drama instead of a superhero movie. I think the balance was much easier to strike when the Nolan Bats movies were the most grounded (read: when they stripped off as much of the "superhero"-ness of the movies as possible). Incidentally, Dark Knight Rises lost the plot a bit in being far less grounded that resulted in just weird shit. And Winter Soldier being more serious worked in its favor as well (though it did have some quippy jokes which are always fair game, superhero movies don't have to be binary as either "comedy" or "super-serious").

Again, not to defend BvS. It sounds like the movie failed in way more ways than simply its tone, but I dunno. It seems to me like movie critics are far more eager to point out a superhero having no humor as a negative, than they are to point out when a movie just goes off the rails with over the top the comedy.
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Nolan's Batman movies are crime thrillers that just happen to use Batman, they really aren't Batman movies except for the gadgets.
 
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GAMEPROFF said:
Do you really think people would post this when BvS would have gotten an RT-Score from 90%?

I dont accuse you of having a agenda, please believe me that, but I honestly dont believe that. So it doesnt matter.
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I think you misunderstood me--that gif is more of a "shit, you're right" post.
 
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Sephzilla

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Into Darkness isn't even that bad. If I ranked all of the Star Trek movies it would be in the upper half, but Trek fans have super rose tinted glasses about the originals. I say this as a Trekkie.
 
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Senoculum

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BlackGhost said:
Maybe dumb question. But I've never seen a movie in 3D in theaters. How is it? Don't want it to take away from my experience. See a early listing for RealD 3D on Friday.
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Get high, or get drunk; sit in the best seat in the house (F row in IMAX, H row in LieMAX, D row for AVX, or anything central).

Relax your eyes - don't focus on things "in front" of you, instead try to feel out the middle plane, and use your peripherals for the background and foreground - the screen is a window after all.

You'll quite honestly have an amazing time. Gravity and Pacific Rim were phenomenal. At times, I felt like I could accidentally breathe in the scenery - whether it be flames or rain or debris. It's stunning.
 
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Frozenprince

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Sephzilla said:
Into Darkness isn't even that bad. If I ranked all of the Star Trek movies it would be in the upper half, but Trek fans have super rose tinted glasses about the originals.
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People are just salty they used Khan.

If they used Gary Mitchell like was originally planned I doubt people are as up in arms about it.
 
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Annoying Old Party Man said:
Once again, rotten tomato scoring DOES NOT indicate HOW good a movie is.

Jesus Christ, it's not that hard to comprehend
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But people will always act like it does. Without fail. RT is NOT a good metric for how good a movie is. If 100 out of a 100 reviews are "positive" but none of them think it's actually great, the RT score would still be 100%. Like, you can't judge the movie like that.
 
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Akiraptor said:
It certainly wasn't the best Trek, but I quite enjoyed it. The hate is mostly online I find. Plot was meh, but the characters were great just like in the 2009 reboot.
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The internet is an echo chamber. Most things internet posters scream and argue about on the internet are typically non-issues for people who don't. When I tell my father (who has loved Star Trek since the Original Series) that a lot of people disliked the Abrams movies, he is dumbfounded. He absolutely loves them.
 
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So who would be up for JJ Abrams helming the DCCU? It'll be safe, mainstream, popular, and probably soulless, but the reviews will be great!
 
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PBY

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duckroll said:
So who would be up for JJ Abrams helming the DCCU? It'll be safe, mainstream, popular, and probably soulless, but the reviews will be great!
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Naw. Its like the people who want Marvel to buy DC. While its clearly not even in the realm of possible happenings - I want the DCU to be its own distinct thing.
 
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Frozenprince

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Jack Remington said:
This review is basically the epitome of the tone-critiquing that people are complaining about:

http://www.nytimes.com/2016/03/25/movies/review-batman-v-superman-dawn-of-justice-when-super-friends-fight.html?ribbon-ad-idx=2&rref=movies&module=ArrowsNav&contentCollection=Movies&action=swipe&region=FixedLeft&pgtype=article

Implicit in some of these reviews is the idea that films in the genre aren't allowed to take themselves seriously.
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I really hope one day we reach the point where when you like a movie that's critically maligned, there isn't the need to shit all over critics for not watching them or appreciating them a certain way or whatever.

You're in the 35% or so that like the movie, that's fine, don't act like the opinions film critics are giving isn't valid because of it.
 
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Sephzilla

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duckroll said:
So who would be up for JJ Abrams helming the DCCU? It'll be safe, mainstream, popular, and probably soulless, but the reviews will be great!
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I'd be okay with this. I think he'd at least cling onto familiar aspects of the characters and stories that would leave most fans feeling satisfied.
 
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EatinOlives said:
Again, not to defend BvS. It sounds like the movie failed in way more ways than simply its tone, but I dunno. It seems to me like movie critics are far more eager to point out a superhero having no humor as a negative, than they are to point out when a movie just goes off the rails with over the top the comedy.
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But again, I don't think this issue ever really comes up outside of Snyder's movies, does it? Which to me seems like it's a less of a "critics hate super-serious superhero movies" issue (which again they clearly don't, given the universally high ratings for Nolan's movies, Singer's movies, and WS) and more of a "Snyder just doesn't understand tone" issue.

Frozenprince said:
Nolan's Batman movies are crime thrillers that just happen to use Batman, they really aren't Batman movies except for the gadgets.
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They are thoroughly Batman movies. Even if you want to use this "it's a crime thriller, not a full-fledged Batman movie" label on TDK, it applies even less to Begins and Rises.
 
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