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Batman v. Superman RT Thread: like standing ovations in rain

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Wat. The faux joker kid in Gotham rocked.
We disagree a ton. Welcome to another one of those times..
It's been 3 years since a new DC movie, and BvS is what they/we got. I get the sense the DC diehards were just hoping to get a well-received movie so they could scream "SEE?!?! WE TOLD YOU MARVEL FANBOYS YOUR KIDDY MOVIES WERE GARBAGE"

BvS is going to make bank. The BO thread on Sunday will be the largest in a while with a bunch of chest pumping. About the only thing in danger is movies like Flash, Cyborg and Aquaman getting delayed or cancelled. There's still going to be a Justice League movie. WW is already done filming.
I just don't believe these movies are in any real danger because of an RT percentage for BvS. Reviews aren't the end all, be all..
Ayy "How many who hate this movie have actually seen it?" the thread.
Again, y'all should cut this out, and read..
 

AMUSIX

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Missed about 25 pages in this thread, so not sure if this was posted yet:
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essentially, how RT scores affect BO for various genres...
 

NoTacos

Member
So I keep looking around and not many people talk about
Baby Batman using a swarm of bats to levitate out of a hole in the ground
we just gonna act like that didn't happen, or what?

LMFAO i totally forgot about this. I wrote it off as a dream sequence.

This movie has more confusing dream sequences than Inception.
 
Others have praised some of the action scenes, but I found most of them to be both staged and filmed very badly. There's a chase with the batmobile early on where it's never established where the vehicles are relative to one another, and it just cuts from showing one car or the other, but almost never in the same shot. It made the scene chaotic and difficult to follow. Lots of good individual shots are framed well and there's some good pyrotechnic displays and car/gadget designs. But the sequence is a mess.

The thug beatdown scene shown in the trailer was similar. On the one hand, it's the best sustained action sequence in the film. It's set in a mostly empty warehouse, in a couple of large, open rooms, but for some reason mostly shot up close so we can't tell who is where, when. It also used most of its good clear shots in that trailer with much of the remaining action filmed too close, camera shaking. Overall it's just fine, but in the hands of a competent director, the sequence could have been so much better. They basically had a fantastic approach to Batman's combat style, gave him a good set up, and then filmed it in a way that actually undercut how good the stuntwork was.


Nailed it

Batmobile sequence is all noise and bombast with no tension or execution. This is further reinforced by just how much of it is CG!

In regards to the warehouse fight, I'll add that them adding a background score also deflated it. As mentioned before, the sequence came off A LOT more awesome in the trailer.... but like u said, it WAS nothing but the money shots, emphasized by only SFX being heard.
It was the one scene I was looking forward too but by the time it happened, I didn't give a shit anymore

Fuck this movie :(
 

Garlador

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Ayy "How many who hate this movie have actually seen it?" the thread.

It wasn't that bad.

I did. And I do.

Hate it, that is.

BURNING hatred. PASSIONATE hatred. I'm livid. My blood boils the more I think about this awful, rotten, insufferable, disrespectful waste of time and money that bastardized my two most favorite heroes on the planet.

Is it the "worst" film I've ever seen?

No, but right now I legitimately despise this film like no other superhero film I've seen in recent memory. I hate this thing like I hate the way Other M butchered Samus Aran. I hate this thing like I hate the way Fox has screwed up Doctor Doom, my favorite villain, over three times now. I hate this thing with every fiber of my being.

I saw this thing and I legitimately want an apology. Even George Clooney said once he'd personally apologize and refund the money of anyone who approached him about Batman & Robin, and I think Batman & Robin at least had the decency of being inoffensively so bad it was entertaining and hysterical. This film was just an ugly, miserable, dull, plodding, joyless mess and I realize I won't see an optimistic, redeeming Superman movie for years and years and years to come.
 
Sigh.

Martha was bound, gagged, barely conscious. Clark's only lead was Lex. Lex told his men to keep the location secret from everyone, even him. Clark had less than an hour to find her and no leads - and if he tracked her down, what? Chance that they wouldn't kill her soon as he neared the property?

Weak sauce. Seriously
the dude moves faster than sound, he could get in there and get her out before they could do a thing, alsohe could hear Lois lightly tapping on a stone while under water and rubble, but couldn't hear his own mom when she was muffled, but not completely silent?
 

clemenx

Banned
Sooo I don't really want to read the shitstorm that every thread on this movie probably is but basically if I really liked MoS I'm gonna like this one? Seems it's the same vein after all.

I'mseeing it anyways on the weekend.
 
I did. And I do.

Hate it, that is.

BURNING hatred. PASSIONATE hatred. I'm livid. My blood boils the more I think about this awful, rotten, insufferable, disrespectful waste of time and money that bastardized my two most favorite heroes on the planet.

Is it the "worst" film I've ever seen?

No, but right now I legitimately despise this film like no other superhero film I've seen in recent memory. I hate this think like I hate the way Other M butchered Samus Aran. I hate this thing like I hate the way Fox has screwed up Doctor Doom, my favorite villain, over three times now. I hate this thing with every fiber of my being.

I saw this thing and I legitimately want an apology. Even George Clooney said once he'd personally apologize and refund the money of anyone who approached him about Batman & Robin, and I think Batman & Robin at least had the decency of being inoffensively so bad it was hysterical/. This film was just an ugly, miserable, dull, plodding, mess and I realize I won't see an optimistic, redeeming Superman movie for years and years and years to come.
You probably didn't even see it liar..

Xp
 
I hate this in game review threads and i hate it here lol. Why is this always a defense

The alternative is that you saw the movie, and yet somehow have a different opinion.

That isn't possible, though, because I'm the only one that's real and you're all just figments of my imagination. You have to agree with me because that's what I want to imagine you to do. Quit messing around!
 

Phediuk

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Others have praised some of the action scenes, but I found most of them to be both staged and filmed very badly. There's a chase with the batmobile early on where it's never established where the vehicles are relative to one another, and it just cuts from showing one car or the other, but almost never in the same shot. It made the scene chaotic and difficult to follow. Lots of good individual shots are framed well and there's some good pyrotechnic displays and car/gadget designs. But the sequence is a mess.

The thug beatdown scene shown in the trailer was similar. On the one hand, it's the best sustained action sequence in the film. It's set in a mostly empty warehouse, in a couple of large, open rooms, but for some reason mostly shot up close so we can't tell who is where, when. It also used most of its good clear shots in that trailer with much of the remaining action filmed too close, camera shaking. Overall it's just fine, but in the hands of a competent director, the sequence could have been so much better. They basically had a fantastic approach to Batman's combat style, gave him a good set up, and then filmed it in a way that actually undercut how good the stuntwork was.

Yep. Some of the most incoherent action sequences I've seen in any movie in recent memory.

Everything was a grey blur that made loud noises. I could barely even tell what was happening in the final battle.
 
Sooo I don't really want to read the shitstorm that every thread on this movie probably is but basically if I really liked MoS I'm gonna like this one? Seems it's the same vein after all.

I'mseeing it anyways on the weekend.

Hard to say. Opinions are all over the place from people who really liked MoS.
 
BvS is going to make bank. The BO thread on Sunday will be the largest in a while with a bunch of chest pumping. About the only thing in danger is movies like Flash, Cyborg and Aquaman getting delayed or cancelled. There's still going to be a Justice League movie. WW is already done filming.

At the end of the day The Flash, Cyborg and Aquaman are viable properties with or without the DCEU connection. Okay, maybe not Cyborg. WB should make them regardless.
 

Phediuk

Member
Sooo I don't really want to read the shitstorm that every thread on this movie probably is but basically if I really liked MoS I'm gonna like this one? Seems it's the same vein after all.

I'mseeing it anyways on the weekend.

Look I was kinda so-so on Man of Steel, but BVS is much worse imo.

At least MOS had cool action scenes to save the shitty script; this one doesn't even have that. And it's also way more bloated than MOS was.
 

TruHero

Banned
I want my Flash film but...fuccccckkkkkk.

State of your beard Barry.

We disagree a ton. Welcome to another one of those times..

I just don't believe these movies are in any real danger because of an RT percentage for BvS. Reviews aren't the end all, be all..

Again, y'all should cut this out, and read..

For sure. The real curiosity is for the 2nd weekend and how well SS does later this year. It's all about them receipts. Regardless, the WB execs aren't happy with the reviews.
 
Actual spoiler
because Lex kidnapped Clark's mom and told him to kill Batman, or he'd kill his mom.
. The reason he had to do that is because the fight would not have happened otherwise, because the film did not establish why Superman would fight Batman (just why the latter was mad at the former). If that wasn't there, Batman would be left standing there at the end for a really long time. This is also why the fight was instantly defused.
Before that fight Superman gave Batman the warning not to show up again though, so he had reason to go there regardless because it was an obvious call out. And the fight instantly defused because of their mothers, and everyone seems to forget Lois's role in that scene lol, another person, a human being right in front of Batman who is openly showing love for Superman, some alien that this broken Batman wanted to destroy.

Superman also knew Batman was Bruce and most certainly pieced together that their moms had the same first names. A little bit of dialogue could have helped that scene though if right after Superman was like, "I knew that'd help you realize" as he puts his hand on Batman's shoulder, getting up from the ground.
Imagine a film where the fight is organically built up to from the themes it makes gestures toward; that one element is not needed to push it into starting, and at the end they mutually realize it was Lex that was playing puppet master and team up to take him down. That's the idea the film was fumbling toward, but it didn't gel, so the spoiler tagged element is there to do the job the rest of the film could not.
Maybe, but that's also incredibly predictable, whereas I appreciated the surprise of seeing a loose cannon out of Batman that was only snapped out of it by something so personal to him.
 
Alright GAF, I just got out. I'll post a slightly longer non-smoker review when I get home, I'm gonna try to sneak into Zootopia right now to wash that movie out. Short version, it's worse than I possibly imagined. I expected a train wreck but a fun trainwreck. But, the movie is just insufferable. There are no redeeming qualities and I fear for anyone that thinks the movie is even above average.
 

NoTacos

Member
Sooo I don't really want to read the shitstorm that every thread on this movie probably is but basically if I really liked MoS I'm gonna like this one? Seems it's the same vein after all.

I'mseeing it anyways on the weekend.
You will like various elements of it, Batman especially. This is essentially a Batman movie featuring various DC characters.
 
For sure. The real curiosity is for the 2nd weekend and how well SS does later this year. It's all about them receipts. Regardless, the WB execs aren't happy with the reviews.
However this does, which I EXPECT will be quite well, I don't believe SS would be effected by it either way. They just seem like completely different movies, going for a completely different thing.
 

AMUSIX

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Interesting that action and adventure actually go up. Good news for WB

Action and Adventure are both positively correlated...so, no, not good news for WB.


What is good news for them is the fact that, ultimately, the scores don't seem to make too much of a difference, and, for those genres that show a greater change, it's usually negatively correlated.
 
Im reserving all judgment till tomorrow night. Im still looking forward to it.

It cant be worse than IM 2, IM 3, Thor 1 and 2, AOU,

Plus as far as Snyder goes,Hes only made 1 movie I thought was bad, and that was Suckerpunch. Still I appreciate that it was a beautiful movie. Watchmen was a masterpiece, and maybe will be his high water mark.

MOS was 10/10 for me.

Well see tomorrow night.
 

Piku_Ringo

Banned
The problem is more that Snyder clearly understood the qualifications he should be looking for in a Luthor--imposing, powerful presence, bald preferred--and decided that although Eisenberg had none of them, he wanted to give him the role...

... because of Eisenberg's complete indifference to the character and the project?

I mean, that's how it reads, but I'm second-guessing because it doesn't sound like human logic when you say it out loud. There's something so phenomenally moronic about it that it's hard to wrap my head around. "Not only are you under-qualified for this job, you don't even seem to want it! When can you start?!"

No wonder Luthor's badly written and terribly acted. The whole thing was a pointless lark by an incompetent director and a completely indifferent actor.

I'm honestly shocked by that, seeing as how it's quite clear Eisenberg is a turd in disguise. You could watch some of his old films and interviews to see this as true. It makes sense Snyder hired him as he's one as well. Regardless, both guys are laughing all the way to the bank. What we should be hoping is neither of them returning for a future installment.
 

kurahador

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Im reserving all judgment till tomorrow night. Im still looking forward to it.

It cant be worse than IM 2, IM 3, Thor 1 and 2, AOU,

Plus as far as Snyder goes,Hes only made 1 movie I thought was bad, and that was Suckerpunch. Still I appreciate that it was a beautiful movie. Watchmen was a masterpiece, and maybe will be his high water mark.

MOS was 10/10 for me.

Well see tomorrow night.

Someone going to have a life changing experience it seems.
 
Sooo I don't really want to read the shitstorm that every thread on this movie probably is but basically if I really liked MoS I'm gonna like this one? Seems it's the same vein after all.

I'mseeing it anyways on the weekend.

No. I hate typing on my phone so I'll give my breakdown later but honestly I can't even recommend seeing it despite knowing it's horrid. Mos was bad to mediocre but at the very least it made sense as a film. I find it hard to even classify BvS as a film, it's so scattershot. It's like 3 different films with 3 separate genres crammed into one.
 

NoTacos

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Im reserving all judgment till tomorrow night. Im still looking forward to it.

It cant be worse than IM 2, IM 3, Thor 1 and 2, AOU,

Plus as far as Snyder goes,Hes only made 1 movie I thought was bad, and that was Suckerpunch. Still I appreciate that it was a beautiful movie. Watchmen was a masterpiece, and maybe will be his high water mark.

MOS was 10/10 for me.

Well see tomorrow night.
Does no one remember the attrocity of Captain America 1?

It seems that all these franchise starter movies suffer from trying to establish too much for future films. That and needless irrelevancy.
 
Im reserving all judgment till tomorrow night. Im still looking forward to it.

It cant be worse than IM 2, IM 3, Thor 1 and 2, AOU,

Plus as far as Snyder goes,Hes only made 1 movie I thought was bad, and that was Suckerpunch. Still I appreciate that it was a beautiful movie. Watchmen was a masterpiece, and maybe will be his high water mark.

MOS was 10/10 for me.

Well see tomorrow night.
Is this real life? Well opinions and all i guess but damn lol
 

GhaleonEB

Member
Before that fight Superman gave Batman the warning not to show up again though, so he had reason to go there regardless because it was an obvious call out.

Right, he told him not to respond to the light again, but the message was clearly, don't go back out and exact his form of justice, which Superman objected to. He had no reason to respond to Batman just standing next to a light.

That said, I would have gone along with that being the reason Supes showed up, though I think it's still a bit weak given the duration of the build up. But it wasn't, it was the Lex thing instead.
 
The final battle sequence was like a video game boss battle.
The boss, Doomsday, goes through stages and changes forms somewhat, and even has this big energy attack that the heroes have to avoid or block and can't do much against. And then he gets more powers with each new phase he begins.
 

Phediuk

Member
Superman vs. Batman, Superman vs. Lex Luthor, Wonder Woman, the formation of the Justice League,
Superman & Batman team-up
,
Doomsday
, and
Superman's death and resurrection
could all have been their own separate movies. Instead WB just looked at it and said, "nah, let's do it all in one", so they made it into this complete clusterfuck and then they got the worst director possible for the job.

It boggles my mind how this movie was fucking made, and for $300m+ too.
 

tcrunch

Member
Why does the title of this thread keep changing when the movie has been at a nice steady 31% for a day and a ha-

Oh nm it dropped to 30%.
 
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