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Batman v. Superman RT Thread: like standing ovations in rain

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What's wrong? Jesse's in it for the cash. That shouldn't be a surprise

The problem is more that Snyder clearly understood the qualifications he should be looking for in a Luthor--imposing, powerful presence, bald preferred--and decided that although Eisenberg had none of them, he wanted to give him the role...

... because of Eisenberg's complete indifference to the character and the project?

I mean, that's how it reads, but I'm second-guessing because it doesn't sound like human logic when you say it out loud. There's something so phenomenally moronic about it that it's hard to wrap my head around. "Not only are you under-qualified for this job, you don't even seem to want it! When can you start?!"

No wonder Luthor's badly written and terribly acted. The whole thing was a pointless lark by an incompetent director and a completely indifferent actor.
 

rrc1594

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WTF... where is this from?
 
I'm way more shocked at the utter hatred. And there is WAY more of it than defending, from what I've seen.
I don't see it. I've seen more people be "ok" with it than anything else, mostly. Some extremes here and there (+/-). Above average praise of Affleck's Wayne/Bats. Not so much for Eisenberg. I dunno. I'm not paid, though..no one drinks High Gravity Bull when they got money..
 

cyba89

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Where Evilore at, surprised he hasn't jumped in and said how embarrassing review threads are on this side like he did with The Order

The obsession over some rottentomatoes percentages in here seems to be way bigger than anything I've read metacritic-related on gaming side.
People anticipating every single percentage jump like a big event is really strange to see.
 

G-Fex

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Decided to post here since the official thread is full of DC fanboys that gang up on you like sharks that smell blood whenever you think the movie stinks....


Well I saw it and it stinks....

I mean the only cool parts were Wonder Woman and the
Doomsday fight
but they were so short that I could have skipped this entire trash movie and just watched the trailers. Like seriously the story is so throwaway.


At least Man of Steel (which I enjoyed) had some cool fights that lasts more than a couple minutes.

What are you talking about? Who are you talking to? .gif
 
Reading some impressions you really get the sense that Snyder's biggest failing is that he doesn't have a feel for narrative flow and storytelling at a basic level. He'd probably benefit hugely from letting someone else put his films together after he shoots them.

It's the same problem with Man of Steel. More than an hour in, it's still doing the flashback thing, but the narrative shifts don't flow, the flashbacks don't really help to add anything to the present storyline most of the time. And if it's not helping, it's actually hurting - there's no real inbetween.

You can see he has high-minded intentions with the way he cuts his films, but he doesn't actually pull it off. It reminds me of when great comic book artists get big enough, they inevitably try to write too - and you can usually tell, suddenly these guys are "cutting" their own stuff, and it's not nearly as good.

This is a spot-on criticism. The first half of the movie drags like a motherfucker, and has a lot of unnecessary sequences.
 

NoTacos

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See I'm in the opposite, I thought the
fight with doomsday was shit and unneeded
.

I liked batflec, and anytime he was onscreen. What I hated was:
All the stupid lazy tie in's, and the fucking flash trying to talk to bruce? Like wtf?
We are not ready for that, no one but comic nerds know who that was? Average movie viewers are scratching their heads on that one.

Agreed. The average audience was still trying to figure out the whole dream sequence and then a guy wearing an Iron Man suit just pops in onscreen through an unstable portal.

Shit, I'm not comic nerd but even I knew it was the Flash, and still had no idea why he was there.
 
The character's progression in BvS makes sense with MoS being the foundation. I really disliked MoS. It was too long. The pacing was terrible. The writing was awful. Cavill was boring. And most importantly, I didn't care for the version of Superman. MoS ended on a note where I thought the Superman we'd see in the next installment would have a stronger moral compass, so I had hope.

I can't say he actually finds a moral compass in BvS, however. He definitely seems like a young man who's now lost two fathers, one mother, and was raised with self-doubt about his purpose in the world. So what's his world in BvS? Martha and Lois. He literally says at one point Lois is his world. He wants to help, but everything seems to have ramifications. He runs away from problems. He's not unlike Dr. Manhattan in Snyder's Watchmen adaptation.
Thanks for this. You've actually sold him a lot more for me.
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Run for your life, never come back to this thread after your admitted you enjoyed this movie.
You guys..why are you going this route? Who had the torches in this thread? Mark them. Call them out. It really isn't that drastic, y'all..it's a movie!
 

Papacheeks

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Age of Ultron is a failure on every single level. There's not a single good thing about it. BvS only fails on some levels, and even those are mostly fixable, or just not that important.

Except in where it counts. WHich is character dialogue, interaction, and character progression. We get to see the slow divide between cap and tony which was somewhat hinted at in first avengers.

Everyone has arc's in that movie, the plot and villain were underused. But seeing the twins hate stark join ultron, then see his plans are to destroy everyone they see he is the monster created by tony.

We get a look further from iron man 3 of ton's fears which is why he jump starts ultron out of that fear. And that's where everyone including cap starts to hate tony and his rash decisions.

I thought those were the highlights, and also talk about banner. He goes through a much unneeded love interest, but it's that failed interaction that makes him understand after wakanda destruction, he should not be with the team because he's so dangerous if hulk ever were to lose it, or be controlled.
 
I don't see it. I've seen more people be "ok" with it than anything else, mostly. Some extremes here and there (+/-). Above average praise of Affleck's Wayne/Bats. Not so much for Eisenberg. I dunno. I'm not paid, though..no one drinks High Gravity Bull when they got money..

227 pages of people gleefully posting RT images of every degree of movment begs to differ with this. how many name changes has this thread had?
 

guek

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AoU commits what I consider to be a worse storytelling sin in that it invents an entirely new story in the 3rd act that has very few narrative threads connecting it to anything that had come before in the story.

Except that's not true. One of the first things Ultron talks about is evolving. He mentions extinctions and meteors throughout, and they make a point early on to mention he's been trying to get a hold of nukes from the beginning but was blocked by Jarvis. Ultron's plan remaining unclear until the third act doesn't mean it's a brand new plot thread just because you didn't pick up on the extremely blatant foreshadowing.

He also doesn't have a pure vibranium body at the end like he wanted, it was an inferior vibranium allow which was pointed out by Tony.
 

Beefy

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227 pages of people gleefully posting RT images of every degree of movment begs to differ with this. how many name changes has this thread had?

Does it really matter? People react differently. Some people like to take the piss out of something they feel is complete shit. If you don't agree with it then you don't agree with it. But it's nothing to get overly defensive about.
 
227 pages of people gleefully posting RT images of every degree of movment begs to differ with this. how many name changes has this thread had?
Let's say you and I are critics. One of us finds it humorous. The other finds it childish. That's it. That's the world. It isn't that drastic. It's a title change. Again, a title change.
Moderation of NeoGAF is not only paid by the fitting Console Manufacturer, they are even paid by Marvel!
Man, STOP! lol..
 
Does it really matter? People react differently. Some people like to take the piss out of something they feel is complete shit. If you don't agree with it then you don't agree with it. But it's nothing to get overly defensive about.

Its almost like you didn't read the comment I quoted...
 
I did not like this. Or rather I did not like most of this insipid movie. A lot of it felt like just a bunch of scenes thrown together. I absolutely agree with people calling it "messy."

I think Affleck is great in the role (and I enjoyed his bouncing off Irons) and I absolutely look forward to seeing him in future Batman projects with the right filmmaker. His fight scene against Luthor's goons was the one true highlight of the movie for me. Having said that, I don't feel like I took a whole lot away from the characters, especially Superman. Like I feel like no matter how you or I think you get Superman as a character, Snyder probably gets him even less or doesn't care. The setup of the actual BvS fight feels so meaningless, poorly written, yet still was sorta fun to watch. Eisenberg is insufferable in the movie in a way that was probably intended but... it's also insufferable to sit through.

If the movie attempted any actual emotion it would maybe earn its tone, but it doesn't. It's just bloated. I would have loved a movie that does question the way they approach their own brands of justice instead of making them throwaway lines you can put in your trailer. I can't believe there's a three hour cut of this movie.
 

Cipherr

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227 pages of people gleefully posting RT images of every degree of movment begs to differ with this. how many name changes has this thread had?

So? Honestly just as much as you all have your conspiracies about some people waiting years to trash a movie you anticipated; you make yourself look like you are just sad that the movie turned out to review poorly and a lot of people don't like it.

This is NeoGAF, this isn't the first time something reviewed bad and folks had fun with it. The Order was crucified. Hell we have review threads that are damn near works of art when the games review WELL! (See the Wall of Shame for the Uncharted reviews).
 

GhaleonEB

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Why'd they fight?
Actual spoiler
because Lex kidnapped Clark's mom and told him to kill Batman, or he'd kill his mom.
. The reason he had to do that is because the fight would not have happened otherwise, because the film did not establish why Superman would fight Batman (just why the latter was mad at the former). If that wasn't there, Batman would be left standing there at the end for a really long time. This is also why the fight was instantly defused.

Imagine a film where the fight is organically built up to from the themes it makes gestures toward; that one element is not needed to push it into starting, and at the end they mutually realize it was Lex that was playing puppet master and team up to take him down. That's the idea the film was fumbling toward, but it didn't gel, so the spoiler tagged element is there to do the job the rest of the film could not.
 
Except that has nothing to do with what you or I commented on.
It's bullshit, dreams. Who cares? Is that a better response? The answer is clear: you and others. The reality? No one does. This movie is going to bank all day..already on its way. Why does some jokes on a forum bother ANYONE, when "daddy" is making money? Enjoy the movie, folks..
 
Actual spoiler
because Lex kidnapped Clark's mom and told him to kill Batman, or he'd kill his mom.
. The reason he had to do that is because the fight would not have happened otherwise, because the film did not establish why Superman would fight Batman (just why the latter was mad at the former). If that wasn't there, Batman would be left standing there at the end for a really long time. This is also why the fight was instantly defused.

Imagine a film where the fight is organically built up to from the themes it makes gestures toward; that one element is not needed to push it into starting, and at the end they mutually realize it was Lex that was playing puppet master and team up to take him down. That's the idea the film was fumbling toward, but it didn't gel, so the spoiler tagged element is there to do the job the rest of the film could not.

Wait

Seriously?

Holy shit, IT'S SUPERMAN. HE CAN JUST FLY SUPER FAST AND SHOOT PRECISION LASERS BEFORE THEY DO ANYTHING.

Oh my god.
 

Screaming Meat

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I haven't seen it yet. Fom the looks of it, whenever someone brings up Heath Ledger in connection to an unusual casting choice, Jesse Eisenburg will forever be the counter-argument.
 
So? Honestly just as much as you all have your conspiracies about some people waiting years to trash a movie you anticipated; you make yourself look like you are just sad that the movie turned out to review poorly and a lot of people don't like it.

This is NeoGAF, this isn't the first time something reviewed bad and folks had fun with it. The Order was crucified. Hell we have review threads that are damn near works of art when the games review WELL! (See the Wall of Shame for the Uncharted reviews).

Sorry, no conspiracy theories from me, though some people in here sure try to make it impossibly to say anything other than that this movie is shit.

I was replying to Gordon who said that he didn't see anyone shitting on this movie by pointing out the fact that there are 227 pages of people posting screencaps of BvSs' fluctuating and low RT score and that the title of this thread has been changed many times reflecting that.

Of course I was then railroaded by people who didn't even bother to read the context of my post before calling me out as a sympathizer.

I've not yet even seen the movie and made no comment on its quality, but i'm definitely a DC bitch proselytizing it I suppose because I didn't condemn this movie with my first comment.
 
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