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[ArgyleReptile]

grown man sits in his seat for 12 hours straight for 5 straight showings of Batman v Superman

I feel the last statement of the first post sums up my feelings on this.

 

[SURGEdude]

That's not true. Critics are fans too.

Certainly they can be. But they represent a much more diverse level of investment in the property than hardcore fans. With public pre-screening reaction you are getting people who are almost always fans who will be less likely to dwell on the kind of stuff that general audiences won't be as forgiving of.

For big name movies/games my rule of thumb is ignore anybody who has the faith to pre-order or sports a related avatar. If you know people or reviewers you trust that's great, if not wait a week or take your chances with the general non-fan consensus.

I think the Phantom Menace was when I realized early fan feedback was as reliable as paid marketing. And it's saved me time and time again from paying full price for stuff like The Order or Ryse despite the echochamber OTs in the days leading up to release. The worst that happens is I see stuff a few days late.

 

[PadWarrior]

You make it sound like it's Robocop 3..

PayPal?

Lol

 

[RE_Player]

I just came back with my brother. We both thought the movie was trash. I wasn't a fan of Man of Steel but Man of Steel is way better than this.

This is not a movie. This is a complete mess. I legitimately feel sorry for the DC fanboys defending this saying it is a good movie. They deserve better but since this is all they have they have to defend it.

 

[GAMEPROFF]

Robocop is garbage

Dude!

 

[ItIsOkBro]

Critics aren't people

 

[Dai101]

You make it sound like it's Robocop 3.

What? There was NO 3

 

[Jack Remington]

I liked how Robocop 2 had a 12 year old kid as a drug kingpin.

 

[NoTacos]

The film isn't complete garbage. More than anything, my biggest problem with it was the pacing. It really did feel like they tried to fit too much into the film.

The music placement was off. Luthor was a workable character (I'm assuming they were going for the juvenile version with a more mature, methodical Luthor coming into play in future films) but again, he was part of the pacing problem with his perky nature (reflected in his music).

Spoiler

As for the knightmare, the issue was they never really portrayed it to be a series of dreams/visions. They just sorta cut in, without any dream like effects.

Spoiler

Also, the warning from The Flash would have been better off towards the end.I kinda forgot about it once the fighting started, making it random and irrelevant to the issue at hand.

TLDR: Story progression wasn't half bad, but the pacing was horrendous. Pay attention to relevant details and dab into hints/Easter eggs sparingly.

 

[Spyder_Monkey]

To me it's on the same level as Man of Steel. What makes it disappointing though is that they learned jack from Man of Steel.

 

[TaterTots]

Best thing about the movie is Batman. I'll leave it at that since this isn't a spoiler thread. If Ben directs the next Batman movie and can have any kind of say in the script it will be pretty good imo. He definitely is a good Batman.

 

[Phediuk]

I just came back with my brother. We both thought the movie was trash. I wasn't a fan of Man of Steel but Man of Steel is way better than this.

This is not a movie. This is a complete mess. I legitimately feel sorry for the DC fanboys defending this saying it is a good movie. They deserve better but since this is all they have they have to defend it.

Agreed, I am shocked at the vehemence with which some people are defending this movie.

I can't think of any good reason for it other than to display loyalty to a comic book company. I know the fans wanted it to be good, but come on guys. This isn't the movie.

Warner Bros.'s best move would be to scrap everything and start over. Drop the grimdark, drop the grey filter, cast a better Superman and Lex Luthor, get Snyder and Goyer way the fuck away and don't do crossovers until you've actually established the characters first.

 

[NotLiquid]

What was BvS about? The entire film is premised on the need for two super heroes to fight. There's this thing I refer to as "plot scaffolding". Some movies have a story to tell, and as that story is told things happen and characters conflict and from those conflicts things like action scenes result. (A simple example would be the Thor/Iron Man fight in Avengers. Fan service, but fan service that built out of the story.) BvS works backward: it's premised on a fight, and the entire point of the film is there's a fight between them in the 3rd act. But the movie doesn't know how to get there, so it erects plot scaffolding for the director to scrabble up to reach that point. But the scaffolding is on full display, it's badly built and it's creaky as hell.

The Thor vs Iron Man fight was also necessary not just for the story but for the way it sets up the characters and their capabilities. It showed that Iron Man is the jockular one who sets up his own rules, that Thor is the boisterously serious yet naive one and that Cap is the one who keeps the team glued together. Also shown in terms of what the characters can do - Thor is physically stronger than Iron Man, yet the latter can still put up a fight with his gadgets. Cap's shield is powerful enough to deflect even Thor's hammer. All that stuff comes to play in the final fight in some way.

It's one of the most perfect ways that they staged a cool sequence that's great on the fan service while also being important to the movie and important to newcomers who might not even have watched any of the previous movies (and funnily enough the joke about Thor inadvertently powering up Iron Man's armor becomes an actual Chekhov's Ability in Age of Ultron).

 

[Gordon Shumway]

I liked how Robocop 2 had a 12 year old kid as a drug kingpin.

Pimp as fuck!!

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The entire ordeal was so confusing as a kid lol. Like, damn! I know some shitty kids, and this little fucker was on another level. I'd still call it an odd(?) scared straight moment..

 

[G-Fex]

Batman is boring though.

He's got too many powers gadgets and he's invulnerable armored and can't die. UGH SO BORING

I liked how Robocop 2 had a 12 year old kid as a drug kingpin.

Pimp as fuck!!

Spoiler

The entire ordeal was so confusing as a kid lol. Like, damn! I know some shitty kids, and this little fucker was on another level. I'd still call it an odd(?) scared straight moment..

They only did it cause the Studio wanted to up the shocking violence with something else for the sequel to make controversy.

Didn't work and I hate that kid.

 

[G-Fex]

DP Sorry!

 

[GhaleonEB]

The Thor vs Iron Man fight was also necessary not just for the story but for the way it sets up the characters and their capabilities. It showed that Iron Man is the jockular one who sets up his own rules, that Thor is the boisterously serious yet naive one and that Cap is the one who keeps the team glued together. Also shown in terms of what the characters can do - Thor is physically stronger than Iron Man, yet the latter can still put up a fight with his gadgets. Cap's shield is powerful enough to deflect even Thor's hammer. All that stuff comes to play in the final fight in some way.

It's one of the most perfect ways that they staged a cool sequence that's great on the fan service while also being important to the movie and also important to newcomers who might not even have watched any of the previous movies (and funnily enough the joke about Thor inadvertently powering up Iron Man's armor becomes an actual Chekhov's Ability in Age of Ultron).

You said it much better than I could have, exactly. And they did it all in a way that flowed directly out of the story, and served an important role in its development - it wasn't the point of the story.

 

[Gordon Shumway]

They only did it cause the Studio wanted to up the shocking violence with something else for the sequel to make controversy.

Didn't work and I hate that kid.

Can't stand him..if that was the mission, shit was accomplished.

 

[Lion Heart]

Richard Roeper likes the movie so I'm still holding out hope. He's a good dude. Showing is at 10:45.

 

[Jack Remington]

Agreed, I am shocked at the vehemence with which some people are defending this movie.

I can't think of any good reason for it other than to display loyalty to a comic book company.

You might want to sit down for this one. Ready?

A lot of people actually liked this movie.

 

[echoshifting]

Agreed, I am shocked at the vehemence with which some people are defending this movie.

I can't think of any good reason for it other than to display loyalty to a comic book company. I know the fans wanted it to be good, but come on guys. This isn't the movie.

I have read almost this entire thread and have seen very few comments that reeked of overt fanboyism. Some DC fans like it a lot, and that's okay. Some hated it. A dude with a BvS avatar just burned it down a couple pages ago.

What bothers me is the people who come in here with "fuck the critics, they're wrong! It was great and you should all see it!" ...and that's it. Nothing of substance to add to the conversation and no understanding whatsoever of the function of critics. I don't doubt that most if not all of the people behind those posts genuinely enjoyed the film, but the posts themselves are obnoxious.

 

[OSHAN]

Agreed, I am shocked at the vehemence with which some people are defending this movie.

I can't think of any good reason for it other than to display loyalty to a comic book company. I know the fans wanted it to be good, but come on guys. This isn't the movie.

Warner Bros.'s best move would be to scrap everything and start over. Drop the grimdark, drop the grey filter, cast a better Superman and Lex Luthor, get Snyder and Goyer way the fuck away and don't do crossovers until you've actually established the characters first.

I really enjoyed it. I'm not a fan of anything Snyder has done besides Dawn of the Dead, and Superman is my favorite comic character. I thought Man of Steel was awful.

And I'm certainly not displaying loyalty to DC. BVS reminded me more of Final Crisis than DKR, and I was consistently surprised by what I was seeing on screen. Definitely looking forward to Justice League now.

 

[NoTacos]

To me it's on the same level as Man of Steel. What makes it disappointing though is that they learned jack from Man of Steel.

Wonder Woman's battle intro was dope, so much so that I'm actually looking forward to her standalone now. She kicks ass.

 

[Mix Master]

People have got to stop comparing IronMan and Thor to Supes and Batman

Pre 2008 or even now If i asked my parents who Iron man or Thor were they would have no clue, but ask them about Bats and Supes and they would know.

So when marvel churns out bad-mediocre thor or ironman films no one cares, but my grandparents know who batman and superman are, so when you mangle them this badly of course critics are going to sound off. There is no conspiracy here.

 

[Gordon Shumway]

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Tacos. We're you a fan of MoS? Was Supes better in this than MoS?

 

[Blackleg-sanji1]

People have got to stop comparing IronMan and Thor to Supes and Batman

Pre 2008 or even now If i asked my parents who Iron man or Thor were they would have no clue, but ask them about Bats and Supes and they would know.

So when marvel churns out bad-mediocre thor or ironman films no one cares, but my grandparents know who batman and superman are, so when you mangle them this badly of course critics are going to sound off. There is no conspiracy here.

Maybe thor but who the heck doesn't know who iron man is

 

[gimmmick]

People have got to stop comparing IronMan and Thor to Supes and Batman

Pre 2008 or even now If i asked my parents who Iron man or Thor were they would have no clue, but ask them about Bats and Supes and they would know.

So when marvel churns out bad-mediocre thor or ironman films no one cares, but my grandparents know who batman and superman are so when you mangle them this badly of course critics are going to sound off. There is no conspiracy here.

It's an insult that Iron Man 1 is in the same sentence as batman vs superman.

 

[GAMEPROFF]

What bothers me is the people who come in here with "fuck the critics, they're wrong! It was great and you should all see it!" ...and that's it. Nothing of substance to add to the conversation and no understanding whatsoever of the function of critics. I don't doubt that most if not all of the people behind those posts genuinely enjoyed the film, but the posts themselves are obnoxious.

...and when you saw it and dont like it, you let yourself fool into hating it.

 

[rrc1594]

Yeah, it's Robocop 2. Robocop 2 was great. It's no Robocop 1, but it still succeeds in its own right.

I'm gonna assume you're referring to the reboot? If not, it's a good thing I'm already sitting down.

Dude!

No Robocop as a franchise is garbage

 

[GhaleonEB]

People have got to stop comparing IronMan and Thor to Supes and Batman.

Are you referring to me, since I bought it up? I was using it as an example of conflict out of story, rather than a conflict used to build a story around, nothing more.

 

[Alienous]

“We talked about the usual suspects that you would imagine; any actor who has been bald, probably,” Synder says. “Bryan Cranston would have been great, right? And by the way, he’s an amazing actor. Can you imagine how different the movie would be?”

Eisenberg has no idea how he fits into the pantheon of other Lex Luthors. “I’m so unfamiliar with anything surrounding it because I didn’t grow up reading the comics or watching these movies,” he said. “I read a little bit out of interest, but it was meaningless.”

The rest at the link, but there are minor spoilers there also.

Lord have mercy.

 

[Skux]

Found it!

 

[OSHAN]

Tacos. We're you a fan of MoS? Was Supes better in this than MoS?

Wasn't a fan of Man of Steel, but the Superman they went with for that film works in BvS. I enjoyed Superman a lot more in BvS.

 

[spookyfish]

Eisenberg has no idea how he fits into the pantheon of other Lex Luthors. “I’m so unfamiliar with anything surrounding it because I didn’t grow up reading the comics or watching these movies,” he said. “I read a little bit out of interest, but it was meaningless.”

The rest at the link, but there are minor spoilers there also.

Lord have mercy.

Oh wow. This explains so much.

 

[Nemesis121]

Found it!

His receding hair line now even in BvS lol

 

[AlfredX1990]

It just went up to 30%

The rest at the link, but there are minor spoilers there also.

Lord have mercy.

Spoiler

we don’t have room for Jimmy Olsen in our big pantheon of characters, but we can have fun with him, right?

HOLY SHIT, ARE YOU FUCKING KIDDING ME, THAT'S FUN FOR YOU?

FUCK YOU SNYDER, FUCK YOU

Sorry for the caps lock, but this makes me furious

 

[Piku_Ringo]

The rest at the link, but there are minor spoilers there also.

Lord have mercy.

What's wrong? Jesse's in it for the cash. That shouldn't be a surprise

 

[BlizzKrut]

I have read almost this entire thread and have seen very few comments that reeked of overt fanboyism. Some DC fans like it a lot, and that's okay. Some hated it. A dude with a BvS avatar just burned it down a couple pages ago.

What bothers me is the people who come in here with "fuck the critics, they're wrong! It was great and you should all see it!" ...and that's it. Nothing of substance to add to the conversation and no understanding whatsoever of the function of critics. I don't doubt that most if not all of the people behind those posts genuinely enjoyed the film, but the posts themselves are obnoxious.

In those people's defense, this thread is also full of people shouting that the movie is complete trash and some probably haven't seen it yet and those posts are also obnoxious.

 

[echoshifting]

The rest at the link, but there are minor spoilers there also.

Lord have mercy.

Snyder seems so obsessed with going against the grain, or doing the opposite of what people might expect, even desire, from his movies. It seems like every time I see him quoted he references someone telling him "you can't do that," even hypothetically.

 

[Angry Chair]

That was the % of people who wanted to see the movie.

I remember seeing a 90+% popcorn bucket. Someone earlier in the thread, I believe it was Bobby Roberts, noted the drop in one of their posts. I would look it up but my phone is almost dead and I've got an assignment to finish.

 

[George Oscar Bluth II]

Found it!

I think I made this.

Edit: Yep, I made this! Along with these:

Edit 2: Wait, did I make this? Maybe MessyPandas did. I can't remember shit.

Edit 3: I definitely made this.

I already said this before, but she really looks like Gillian Jacobs when playing Harley.

 

[NoTacos]

Tacos. We're you a fan of MoS? Was Supes better in this than MoS?

I enjoyed the vision they were going for in MoS. As for whether I like him better in MoS or BvS, I cant say because truth be told I barely remember his involvement in the film besides the ending. He was there, but for the most part the scenes he was in just felt like they had more emphasis on the people he was with and how they saw him.

 

[Gordon Shumway]

Wasn't a fan of Man of Steel, but the Superman they went with for that film works in BvS. I enjoyed Superman a lot more in BvS.

Damn. I think the more I ask, the more I need to stop. So, you're saying MoS version fits with this movie AND you like him more here?

I enjoyed the vision they were going for in MoS. As for whether I like him better in MoS or BvS, I cant say because truth be told I barely remember his involvement in the film besides the ending. He was there, but for the most part the scenes he was in just felt like they had more emphasis on the people he was with and how they saw him.

So, it was a Batman film?

 

[888]

My buddy just messaged me. He has been taking a shit on it since it was announced. He hated all aspects of it. He just said it was really really good. I'm so confused now. Seeing it tonight.

 

[illmatic22]

Good Burger is ahead of this with 32%

I love Good Burger

 

[Dalek]

Oh wow. This explains so much.

Eisenberg has no idea how he fits into the pantheon of other Lex Luthors. “I’m so unfamiliar with anything surrounding it because I didn’t grow up reading the comics or watching these movies,” he said. “I read a little bit out of interest, but it was meaningless.”

This was the exact kind of cold indifference Snyder says he wanted. “He can’t fake it,” he says.

Well, he would know about faking it.

 

[call_kotaku]

Snyder seems so obsessed with going against the grain, or doing the opposite of what people might expect, even desire, from his movies. It seems like every time I see him quoted he references someone telling him "you can't do that," even hypothetically.

he understands that true visionaries disagree with all the critics

 

[NastyBook]

No Robocop as a franchise is garbage

No. Nooooooooo. Naaaaah. Can't agree.

 

[GAMEPROFF]

I honestly cant wait for the Nostalgia Critic review. There has to be one.

 

[Mix Master]

I don't see this as a positive.

Fuck man this thread

feels like this thread is hilariously following some flow chart.

Movie sucks-> Movie is great-> Better than thor 2-> Better than Ironman 3-> better than Ultron-> better than superman 64 -> Repeat.