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Batman v. Superman RT Thread: like standing ovations in rain

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What Age of Ultron has over Batman v Superman, is that film was actually about something, though it was a bit clumsy about how it goes about it. (That Vision / Ultron scene linked earlier gets to the heart of it.)

What was BvS about? The entire film is premised on the need for two super heroes to fight. There's this thing I refer to as "plot scaffolding". Some movies have a story to tell, and as that story is told things happen and characters conflict and from those conflicts things like action scenes result. (A simple example would be the Thor/Iron Man fight in Avengers. Fan service, but fan service that built out of the story.) BvS works backward: it's premised on a fight, and the entire point of the film is there's a fight between them in the 3rd act. But the movie doesn't know how to get there, so it erects plot scaffolding for the director to scrabble up to reach that point. But the scaffolding is on full display, it's badly built and it's creaky as hell.

Consider how the film makes gestures toward the philosophical differences between Superman and Batman's approaches to solving crime, what their role in the world is, and how the public perceives them. But they're never more than failings in that direction - their conflict doesn't build out of them. Instead we get a rube goldberg machine of a plot to engineer the titular fight, rather than the fight be the result of a story that was being told.

The other thing BvS is doing is setting up Justice League, which it does in ways that are far more intrusive than any of Marvel's EU hooks they drop into their films.( At least they knew to plop some of them after the credits.) In BvS, the climax of the film is interrupted so
Wonder Woman can literally watch trailers for future Justice League characters
. The film shows its hand in that moment - the thing we were supposed to be caring about is finally happening, and the brakes are slammed for sequel staging.

There's not a stand alone story that's really being told at all here. It's an absurdly engineered title fight that is itself actually a ruse, serving primarily to set up a sequel in which a story might actually take place.

I don't really see it as that contrived. Yes, Lex engineers the fight between the two, since he's hoping he can get Batman to kill Superman. But the whole lead up to the fight is built very organically, starting with the Metropolis destruction flashbacks, and continuing through Superman being framed for innocent deaths and then Superman attempting to interfere with Bruce's crime-fighting in Gotham.

AoU commits what I consider to be a worse storytelling sin in that it invents an entirely new story in the 3rd act that has very few narrative threads connecting it to anything that had come before in the story.

To use your analogy, maybe you can see the building's scaffolding in BvS, but AoU is like if you took half a building and then slapped half of a completely different building on top of it.
 

NoTacos

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I don't know how you can be shocked at the hatred, even if you liked the movie.
If you're being truly honest with yourself, you can't be. You will see it for its flaws but enjoy it for entertainment purposes.

All I have to say is the 3+ hour directors cut Snyder has been promising better deliver. You could totally tell they skipped a lot.
 
Saw it yesterday. The supremely low RT score shocks me in a way, and I think it's just because people (understandably) expected more, especially because of the high budget. It's weird seeing such a massive blockbuster just be kind of good.

To me, this movie was simply ok. Astoundingly mediocre. My theater seemed to love it. I don't regret seeing it but I probably won't watch it again.

I liked it better than Age of Ultron and the Thor movies, but every other modern Marvel movie is superior and obviously this is nowhere near as good as Nolan's Batman. Never saw Man of Steel so I can't comment on that.

EDIT: Fuck Jesse Eisenberg
 

GAMEPROFF

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Handily. Has been for a good while, particularly worldwide.
Its not even a competition:

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Papacheeks

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Most people are just joking around at this point.

No they are not. I'm not that's for sure. Saw it last night, and there were a lot of people throwing their arms up during certain points that made no sense.

The movie was bad, batflec was good, but undermined by a bad lex luthor, shitty dialogue, crap writing and editing that looks like someone was on cocaine while doing it.
 

Anth0ny

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I don't know how you can be shocked at the hatred, even if you liked the movie.

There's disliking a movie, then there's absolutely SHITTING on it like it's the worst thing you've ever seen, worse than Schumacher Batman (which I've already heard from friends), worse than Man of Steel (WHICH IT AIN'T).

I fully understand why you could dislike this film. The things people object to I just didn't put as much emphasis on while watching the film, and I enjoyed things that others didn't really care about as much.

But the utter, vile HATRED is kinda shocking, yeah.
 
I mean we had bananafactory in here making about 500 posts about how much it sucked last night.

It's hard to compete with firepower of that magnitude.

This was one of the biggest disappointments I've ever had from a film. So yeah, I'm gonna post the shit out of that. I'm vocal on everything I didn't like about it but I'm not trying to convince people they are wrong for enjoying it. I certainly can see how some people would like, even love this movie. Just like people who liked it should be able to see why others really did not, all of the problems have been laid out very plainly by more people than just myself. I don't want to argue with anyone, I just want to discuss the film.
 

Papacheeks

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There's disliking a movie, then there's absolutely SHITTING on it like it's the worst thing you've ever seen, worse than Schumacher Batman (which I've already heard from friends), worse than Man of Steel (WHICH IT AIN'T).

I fully understand why you could dislike this film. The things people object to I just didn't put as much emphasis on while watching the film, and I enjoyed things that others didn't really care about as much.

But the utter, vile HATRED is kinda shocking, yeah.

Well, try to think from someone who's been reading, watching tv shows, and animated films of the medium of their favorite characters. So poorly written for the big screen. Especially since the movie had tons of times for many different cuts of the film yet WB was fine in the final product they put out.

The hatred is warranted as Superman and Batman are 2 of the most iconic super heroes because of how old they are.

If you fuck that up, then sorry hatred will follow.
 

Slaythe

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Wow. I like going in with rock bottom expectations.. just got out and me and my wife enjoyed it. I'd give it 7/10, she says about 7.5/10. I liked it better than Age of Ultron.

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Run for your life, never come back to this thread after your admitted you enjoyed this movie.
 
I liked AoU "okay." I liked BvS considerably more.

I realize that this is not a popular opinion. Buit I also think people have been waiting 3 years just to shit on BvS no matter what.
 

OSHAN

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Damn. I think the more I ask, the more I need to stop. So, you're saying MoS version fits with this movie AND you like him more here?

The character's progression in BvS makes sense with MoS being the foundation. I really disliked MoS. It was too long. The pacing was terrible. The writing was awful. Cavill was boring. And most importantly, I didn't care for the version of Superman. MoS ended on a note where I thought the Superman we'd see in the next installment would have a stronger moral compass, so I had hope.

I can't say he actually finds a moral compass in BvS, however. He definitely seems like a young man who's now lost two fathers, one mother, and was raised with self-doubt about his purpose in the world. So what's his world in BvS? Martha and Lois. He literally says at one point Lois is his world. He wants to help, but everything seems to have ramifications. He runs away from problems. He's not unlike Dr. Manhattan in Snyder's Watchmen adaptation.
 
Fuck man this thread
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feels like this thread is hilariously following some flow chart.

Movie sucks-> Movie is great-> Better than thor 2-> Better than Ironman 3-> better than Ultron-> better than superman 64 -> Repeat.

Fuck that let's break the loop making this a Spider-Man thread
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I liked AoU "okay." I liked BvS considerably more.

I realize that this is not a popular opinion. Buit I also think people have been waiting 3 years just to shit on BvS no matter what.
Or people just dont like it. Why does it always end in conspiracy theories every review thread for...well anything ever
 

GAMEPROFF

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Man, you know by now that image is fraudulent

Yes, but I only wanted to show hat there are most likely still more people/kids/whoever interested in Spider-Man then in Batman or Superman, I just dont see either a sudden desinterest in Spider-Man or a that gigantic rise for Bats or Supes.

Still, would be very interesting how those numbers now look like.
 

Papacheeks

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I liked AoU "okay." I liked BvS considerably more.

I realize that this is not a popular opinion. Buit I also think people have been waiting 3 years just to shit on BvS no matter what.

Or maybe just maybe those people who are shittig on it saw the issues miles away because Man of steel was not a great film or a great superman film which was suppose to be the start of this shared universe for WB.

Because when we saw lex luthor a lot of us were like WTF?

When we saw a a troll from lord of the rings as Doomsday we were like wtf? When we saw that there were going to be multiple cameos, we were like wtf?

There was a lot that we didn't like at the get go, and that stems from Zack snyder being director, after showing he doesn't know how to convey story or character arc's. And then after seeing the film it re-confirmed are worst fears about our most iconic comic book characters not getting the movie they deserved that best represents them.
 

GhaleonEB

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I don't really see it as that contrived. Yes, Lex engineers the fight between the two, since he's hoping he can get Batman to kill Superman. But the whole lead up to the fight is built very organically, starting with the Metropolis destruction flashbacks, and continuing through Superman being framed for innocent deaths and then Superman attempting to interfere with Bruce's crime-fighting in Gotham.

That's not why they fight, though.
 
Decided to post here since the official thread is full of DC fanboys that gang up on you like sharks that smell blood whenever you think the movie stinks....


Well I saw it and it stinks....

I mean the only cool parts were Wonder Woman and the
Doomsday fight
but they were so short that I could have skipped this entire trash movie and just watched the trailers. Like seriously the story is so throwaway.


At least Man of Steel (which I enjoyed) had some cool fights that lasts more than a couple minutes.
 

Brandon F

Well congratulations! You got yourself caught!
Wheres iron man fit on that.

Iron Man exists as part of the Avengers brand(well essentially the face of it).

Spiderman is easily the most profitable AND most recognized superhero on a global level. The rest aren't even close. Spidey is his own brand.
 
Or people just dont like it. Why does it always end in conspiracy theories every review thread for...well anything ever

People were talking about how much MoS and BvS would both suck long, long before they came out.

With MoS, people purposefully misinterpret all sorts of things in the movie to paint it in a worse light.

I'm not saying a fair % of people didn't like the movie, but there's a bandwagon effect here that has nothing to do with the content of the movie.
 
Going in with low expectations means I'll probably enjoy it; my current floor for recent most hated blockbuster is Jurassic World though and all I needed to know it was going to be a shit show was Chris Pratt raptor training. If it's better than that we'll be AOK.
 

Papacheeks

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Decided to post here since the official thread is full of DC fanboys that gang up on you like sharks that smell blood whenever you think the movie stinks....


Well I saw it and it stinks....

I mean the only cool parts were Wonder Woman and the
Doomsday fight
but they were so short that I could have skipped this entire trash movie and just watched the trailers. Like seriously the story is so throwaway.


At least Man of Steel (which I enjoyed) had some cool fights that lasts more than a couple minutes.

See I'm in the opposite, I thought the
fight with doomsday was shit and unneeded
.

I liked batflec, and anytime he was onscreen. What I hated was:
All the stupid lazy tie in's, and the fucking flash trying to talk to bruce? Like wtf?
We are not ready for that, no one but comic nerds know who that was? Average movie viewers are scratching their heads on that one.
 
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