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super smash bros melee
16 yrs later people still discovering new things, and the ceiling is still raising.

(accidental competitive success is still valid right?)

 

[Shifty]

Ninja Gaiden Black

This right here. Game's bursting at the seams with content and polished to a mirror shine.

 

[AlteredBeast]

Street Fighter 3 TS, KoF 98.

Correct, glad it only took 2 posts. 3rd Strike is unrivaled, even 18 years later. 18 years. 18 YEARS.

 

[jtb]

Planescape: Torment.

 

[cartman414]

I can't think of anything to top Super Metroid and Chrono Trigger here in terms of age. Among genres that haven't been discussed much here, though, these three come to mind:

- Grim Fandango (1998). Technically not a point-and-click with its original tank controls, but you know what I mean when I refer to the LucasArts-style adventure game, driven by dialogue trees and puzzle solving by way of zany, out-of-the-box item combinations. The adventure genre died with it for a while, and even when it was revived in the form of nostalgia projects and the Telltale subgenre that dropped logic puzzles in favour of branching story choices, it wasn't quite the same thing.

Still have to play this after all this time.

But! Indirectly you reminded me of Planescape: Torment, the champ of dialogue driven WRPGs. And for that, I thank you.

 

[Vilix]

I dare you to show me a better flight combat game.

Easy

Probably the best story telling in a videogame on top of the best flight combat that all others hail from.

 

[hydrophilic attack]

- Grim Fandango (1998). Technically not a point-and-click with its original tank controls, but you know what I mean when I refer to the LucasArts-style adventure game, driven by dialogue trees and puzzle solving by way of zany, out-of-the-box item combinations. The adventure genre died with it for a while, and even when it was revived in the form of nostalgia projects and the Telltale subgenre that dropped logic puzzles in favour of branching story choices, it wasn't quite the same thing.

Outclassed by Broken Age

 

[Sheroking]

SOTN is a good one. There are lots of great Metroidvania's since, but that one is hard to top.

Not particularly controversial, but SFIII 3rd.
.

Well, not in this thread, but until SF5 pissed everyone off, no SF game was simultaneously loved and hated as 3S. It's a very polarizing game.

I don't care for it, really.

 

[The Horror the horror]

Every time someone mentions Planescape Torment as the best in its class, they neglect to add how it's better than Baldur's Gate 2.

 

[timetokill]

World Series Baseball '98 (Sega Saturn)

The best baseball game ever made.

Sorry, nothing has ever topped Baseball Stars for the NES.

That's my pick by the way, OP.

 

[Emu-Fred]

Outclassed by Broken Age

Maybe if part 2 never existed.

 

[Lucumo]

Sacrifice

 

[ldar247]

The people who are naming games made after 2000 are making me feel old as fuck.

Being old is nothing to be proud of. Aging is a fucking disease.

 

[BigPapi]

Mech tactical play: Chromehounds

No game has come close

 

[neurosisxeno]

World of Warcraft for MMOs. So many games tried to be the "WoW killer" and none succeeded.

This is legit. Since 2006-7 every MMORPG that launched was trying to beat WoW, and none of them were successful because even if they did things better WoW has always been the most complete MMO experience you can find. Blizzard might not come up with all the best and most original ideas, but they definitely implement them the best.

 

[Strings]

Has any game surpassed a LTTP for overhead 2D adventure games?

I'd say any of the 2D Ys games Though you could class them as ARPGs instead.

 

[Hyun Sai]

Third Strike is VERY far from any universal acclaim in the FG community, but it's just an opinion thread anyway.


For me, Wipeout 2097, Rock'n Roll Racing, Guild Wars 1, Xenogears.

 

[momshotdad]

Organ Trail

That's a very, very different game

 

[NoFaceNico]

I dare you to show me a better flight combat game.

Came here to post this. Might be overtaken with AC7, hopefully but not likely.

I was going to say this, Super Metroid and Super Punchout.

SNES was killing it.

Super Metroid is still playable today, but is objectively outclassed by the GBA Metroid games. I know people want to put that game on a pedestal but the moon jumping controls kill it compared to those. There's a reason why the AM2R game followed the GBA control style.

 

[Bobo Dakes]

Super Mario Brothers 3 for platformers

Rayman Origins says hi.

Has any game surpassed a LTTP for overhead 2D adventure games?

While not as fresh, what wasn't ALBW able to do better than LTTP?

 

[CosmicQueso]

Return to Castle Wolfenstein for team based shooters.

Just has not been done better.

 

[NESpowerhouse]

Easy



Probably the best story telling in a videogame on top of the best flight combat that all others hail from.

In my opinion, while AC4 is still a very solid game (it was one of my first PS2 games), I still feel as if AC5 takes everything that 4 did right and expands upon it from the more varied mission objectives to the more fleshed out cast of characters and storyline to the whole squad command mechanic.

 

[Elfforkusu]

Chrono Trigger (1995). There have been many great JRPGs since, but there's still nothing that great.

I can make an argument for Sonic 3 & Knuckles (1994) as well, although some recent 2D platformers (DK:TF) challenge the throne. Also, complicated by the fact that the Mario Galaxy games are better, so you have to split platformers into 3D and 2D...

 

[Andodalf]

Kotor, in a few ways. Sci Fi, RPG, WRPG, and whatever you call it's weird quasi turn based system.

 

[MrDoctor]

it was ninja gaiden black...then dark souls 3 happened

I dare you to show me a better flight combat game.

ace combat zero =^)

it's also not a true flight game, but i don't think either of us care

 

[Sinatar]

Genre kings come and go in this business, either because those games failed to change with the times and their imitators have not, OR because their successors were just that much better.

But there are games that have remained fixed on their respective thrones for an obscenely long time, inversely, because the competition just sucks or due to the one harsh truth that perfection simply cannot be improved upon.

That right there is my pick. Released in 2005 and has kept the crown since.

For those of you lamenting over the old WWF/WCW games on the N64, let me say I was once one of you. I thought the genre was dead for good, buried forever inside a coffin hand-built by Yukes. Then I downloaded this little title begrudgingly, along with the accompanying WCW/WWF/ECW packs from another site, and played around with it one weekend...

There's no going back. Hell, there's no going forward. Hands down, the best wrestling game in existence. With the extra packs, you get virtually all the wrestlers, their moves, finishers, and even entrance themes.

https://youtu.be/uPoEBmgzGB0?t=1m27s (WWF Attitude 1998)

2005.

12 years, the undisputed king of wrestling games.

Fire Pro is indeed king of all wrestling games. I can't wait for World to come out.

 

[CertifiedFP]

Until I played PREY I'd have said System Shock 2.

So instead I'll go with Hitman Blood Money - With respect to Hitman 2016, mind - It's a close one but Blood Money beats it on current amount of content.

Spoiler

Err, does Hitman count as Immersive Sim? I mean this is a "genre" wide enough that some people squeezed Bethesda RPGs into the label somehow.

 

[Anustart]

Only one I can think of is super metroid. It's perfection.

 

[ersocaster]

I would say Diablo 2. I don't think another ARPG has come close.

 

[Fhtagn]

Some contenders:
God Hand - 3D beat em up
Battle Garegga or DoDonPachi or Ikaruga - shmup
Outrun 2 - arcade racer

 

[Autoignition]

16 years later, REmake continues to be king of the survival horror genre.

 

[Mcleon6494]

I dare you to show me a better flight combat game.

Ace Combat 04: Shattered Skies

 

[Hello? This is Hailun!]

 

[Vilix]

Best experience I ever had online.

 

[Unspoken90]

it was ninja gaiden black...then dark souls 3 happened

I wouldn't compare them. Ninja Gaiden is a character action game and the Souls series is more action RPG.

They just don't compare.

 

[cartman414]

Super Metroid is still playable today, but is objectively outclassed by the GBA Metroid games. I know people want to put that game on a pedestal but the moon jumping controls kill it compared to those. There's a reason why the AM2R game followed the GBA control style.

The GBA control layout is so overrated. Having to hold down the shoulder key to fire missiles at the expense of a positional hold key is a major no-no, especially when dangling from the ceiling ladders. Always have to keep from accidentally moving/changing firing direction when I'm just trying to fire away at the boss from the ceiling.

 

[Fhtagn]

Best arcade game playable with joystick and one button.

 

[Hello? This is Hailun!]

Final Fantasy Tactics

wut


The game it is based off of was superior.

Super Metroid is still playable today, but is objectively outclassed by the GBA Metroid games. I know people want to put that game on a pedestal but the moon jumping controls kill it compared to those. There's a reason why the AM2R game followed the GBA control style.

Fusion is a bad game and the expanded story for the other GBA game is unecessary garbage.

 

[Anustart]

Fusion is a bad game and the expanded story for the other GBA game is unecessary garbage.

Amen. Fusion was rough to play through, and i never played the remake of 1.

 

[SallyIsNow]

Fire Pro is awful, jabronies.

 

[Hello? This is Hailun!]

Amen. Fusion was rough to play through, and i never played the remake of 1.

It was good.

But it was made by someone who didn't understand the Metroid universe.

 

[Storm Kyleis]

Interesting topic. Castlevania: Symphony of the Night is still my favorite Metroidvania.

My favorite game in pretty much any other genre is from 2000 or later. Videogames have come a long way.

 

[The Horror the horror]

It was good.

But it was made by someone who didn't understand the Metroid universe.

Yoshio Sakamoto?

 

[Aokage]

Third Strike is VERY far from any universal acclaim in the FG community, but it's just an opinion thread anyway.

Well, not in this thread, but until SF5 pissed everyone off, no SF game was simultaneously loved and hated as 3S. It's a very polarizing game.

I don't care for it, really.

I completely understand why 3rd is not everyone's cup of tea. It's not the most "pleasant" of fighting games, didn't have the benefit of modern balancing schemes, on and on. Plenty of folks I respect firmly believe SSFIIT or USFIV or even Alpha 3 to be superior, but I'm trying to go with the total experience including aesthetics and presentation. I don't think many would argue against it being the most visually appealing Street Fighter game, for example. I hope that makes sense.

 

[Hello? This is Hailun!]

Yoshio Sakamoto?

I know you're trying to be cute, but this dude obviously lost his fucking marbles at some point and forgot what made the series good.

Fusion/Zero Mission/Other M are all various degrees of bad for very similar reasons.

 

[Tali'Zorah]

Pro Evo 6 remains the best footballing game by a large distance

 

[StrangeRoboMemory]

Nethack is still the best rogue-like.

 

[nevermore2782]

Star Control 2

 

[StrategyFan]

quake 3 if quake live doesn't count

 

[AEREC]

Resident Evil 4...I know it probably wasnt the first TPS but I still havent played a TPS near as good.