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[sturgboski]

Do I get a discount on Destiny if I buy on PC or Xbox considering I'm missing out on gear and content?

Or do I get stuck paying the same price as anyone buying it on PS4, while not getting everything that should be available in the game?

Ah much like people who had to pay full price for COD last gen and got content delayed due to MS exclusivity. Or delayed releases of full games due to "console exclusive debut" or many other examples of this when the shoe was on the other foot. Division as another example.

Where was the massive fervor last gen to stop this practice when MS was doing it? In most places the response was "if you are that upset buy a 360." Phil is a PR person and signed most of these deals last gen when they were up. It's the same bullshit of "I hate console wars" then shitting on the Pro because Xbox one x is now the most powerful console.

Is this a good practice? No. Is this a practice Microsoft started and is now crying foul over because they can't do it? Yes.

 

[Cramoss]

Worse than me paying the same price for destiny 2 on PC and Xone but receiving less content than those purchasing the game on PS4?

Yes

 

[GodofWine]

Gimping Minecraft for Sony somehow doesn't alarm him though?


MS has a plan, a plan to poison Sony slowly, by basically ruining their Minecraft version, and by slowly unifying Xbox and PC gaming, until there is no reason for many to buy a Sony console.

But maybe the future of Sony is in services, Vue, PSNow, and games? hardware is a money sink anyway.

I've never been more confused by where gaming is going. Something is going to shift soon...someone is going to become 'Sega', but I dont know who.

 

[Devilgunman]

Do I get a discount on Destiny if I buy on PC or Xbox considering I'm missing out on gear and content?

Or do I get stuck paying the same price as anyone buying it on PS4, while not getting everything that should be available in the game?

Or you can wait for a year to buy Destiny 2 for XB1. That way, you get the full experience but pay less than what PS4 players paid a year ago. This is exactly the same scenario as Rise of The Tomb Raider.

 

[Ghost Slayer]

I think you need to take a deep breath and read the article again. He's saying that he thinks it's bad for the industry and that he isn't a fan. How do you go from there to "pretending to be a good guy"?

He will do sign the deal even though he's not a fan about the action he gonna do?
Something really off here

 

[Mass_Pincup]

Interviewer: "Hi Phil, could you tell us about the exclusivity deal XBOX has with so-and-so gaming studio?"

Spencer: "....We did what now?"

He's a spectator just like us during E3, witnessing what he's team did.

 

[kiguel182]

He is right, it's a terrible practice. It makes games worse for people on another platform for no reason. It sucks.

 

[stryke]

Didnt MS have exclusive timed content for the 360 and PS3 had to sit back and wait for everything.

No, Sony engaged in the practice a lot too.

Batman Arkham Asylum and some of the Assassin's Creeds come to mind.

 

[Ocarina_117]

It's not that hard to grasp?

You're not paying the same price for a game as other platform holders and being barred from content.

 

[TBiddy]

He will do sign the deal even though he's not a fan about the action he gonna do?
Something really off here

Again. It's how the real world works. Unless you're Trump, you'll eventually end up doing things you don't personally approve of, in order to please shareholders or those above you in the food chain. If you expect to cruise through adult life only doing things you like, I've got bad news for you.

 

[ScientificPizza]

Interviewer: "Hi Phil, could you tell us about the exclusivity deal XBOX has with so-and-so gaming studio?"

Spencer: "....We did what now?"

Yes this is *exactly* what I mean. Not that the marketing department works to make marketing and content deals with developers and publishers, and then people in Xbox are either notified of it later or asked to sign off on it, but that Xbox has a rogue marketing department hellbent on undermining Phil Spencer personally. Congratulations, you've solver my elaborate riddle.

 

[QuantumZebra]

Man, this guy is so full of shit.

.


Let's just pretend Rise of the Tomb Raider didn't happen, Phil.

Let's.

 

[-Pyromaniac-]

Easy to be the one against it when you're the one with less leverage.

 

[Mr. Phellps]

Right.

 

[Ghost Slayer]

Again. It's how the real world works. Unless you're Trump, you'll eventually end up doing things you don't personally approve of, in order to please shareholders or those above you in the food chain.

Ok, I give up with you. Good that Spencer still have a good image in your eyes

 

[SafeinSound]

Wait...isn't this all Microsoft did last gen? Don't see how suddenly things change.

 

[Burbeting]

BUT this is GAF plis

While they have done things in the past I disagree with timed exclusive being worse than gates content.

On one side you can't play it until later but once you do pay you get everything, the full deal.

Then you got extremes like Destiny where it release at the same time but new content is locked for a year because you didn't buy it on X platform, but you still paid the same.

I think Destiny as a thing is a lot worse than a exclusive because in one case you can pay or play it and in the other you pay just as much to play a purposefully gimped version.

I get your POV, but at this point I'll disagree.

But to be honest, I have never played Destiny 1, so I don't really know just much content is being locked away. It is a bad practice at any case.

 

[Chaos2Frozen]

Yes this is *exactly* what I mean. Not that the marketing department works to make marketing and content deals with developers and publishers, and then people in Xbox are either notified of it later or asked to sign off on it, but that Xbox has a rogue marketing department hellbent on undermining Phil Spencer personally. Congratulations, you've solver my elaborate riddle.

So what you're saying is, Phil does know about these deals and sign off on them?

 

[AZ Greg]

Hahaha.
It would be in your best interest to STFU Phil and continue munching on that humble pie instead of crying like a salty lil bitch for shit your company pioneered in the first place.
This is rich and hilarious.

Wow. Does this stuff legitimately bother you that much? Pathetic...

 

[ScientificPizza]

So what you're saying is, Phil does know about these deals and sign off on them?

Yes because Phil Spencer is the sole manager at Xbox. It's just him.

 

[Ninja Scooter]

He is right, it's a terrible practice. It makes games worse for people on another platform for no reason. It sucks.

Glass half full/empty thing. To Sony, it's making games better for people on their platform, because those are the only consumers they can and do give a shit about.

 

[Tallshortman]

Lol Phil Spencer has some gall after his run of 1 year exclusivity deals.

 

[TBiddy]

Ok, I give up with you. Good that Spencer still have a good image in your eyes

As I wrote before - if you think that you can get by in life by only doing things that you personally approve of, you're setting yourself up for disappointment and depression.

 

[Ghost Slayer]

Yes this is *exactly* what I mean. Not that the marketing department works to make marketing and content deals with developers and publishers, and then people in Xbox are either notified of it later or asked to sign off on it, but that Xbox has a rogue marketing department hellbent on undermining Phil Spencer personally. Congratulations, you've solver my elaborate riddle.

Hahahaha, oh man, I can read this all days

 

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[Kinyou]

Going by his examples, what he appears to mean is permanently exclusive content. Assassin's creed previously had missions you'd never get on the Xbox, same deal with WB and the Batman games. Now Ms has those marketing deals but doesn't pursue exclusive content

 

[shmoglish]

Interviewer: "Hi Phil, could you tell us about the exclusivity deal XBOX has with so-and-so gaming studio?"

Spencer: "....We did what now?"

How bad do you think this would look?

"Looks like we show you 42 games today and 22 of them are exclusive. I wonder what exclusives Pete, Steve and Maggie bought this time."

 

[Chaos2Frozen]

Yes because Phil Spencer is the sole manager at Xbox. It's just him.

Head. Of. XBOX.

Phil Spencer is an American business executive. He is currently the head of Xbox and leads the global creative and engineering teams responsible for gaming at Microsoft, including the Xbox One console family of devices, accessories, Xbox Live service and the gaming experiences and content.

source: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Phil_Spencer_(business_executive)

 

[Ryuuga]

Worse than me paying the same price for destiny 2 on PC and Xone but receiving less content than those purchasing the game on PS4?

Yes, absolutely. If xyz is available however months after it's exclusivity with abc console, I don't want to pay the same price for some arbitrary holdout period. In your scenario I still have access to the game and the content will come. To clarify, Phil isn't wrong, but imo one is far worse than the other. Everyone should get a chance to play at it's expected release date period (barring development issues).


Either way I'm weak. I can't say no to this:

https://giant.gfycat.com/BouncyDefiantGrub.webm

 

[cakely]

So he's not a fan of the techniques his company pioneered in the console business?

At best, it sounds like sour grapes. Hypocrisy is not a good look for Phil.

 

[Kthulhu]

I agree. Unless it's something that is only possible on a specific platform, players shouldn't have to choose their platform because a 3rd party game chose to lock off content. My friends who owned PS3s hated when the 360 locked off content for like a month.

 

[Ocarina_117]

Yes

PS4 owners got the same package as xone owners.

Aren't destiny players on Xone still waiting for content promised to them which was delivered to PS4 players years ago?

 

[Uno Venova]

It's not that hard to grasp?

You're not paying the same price for a game as other platform holders and being barred from content.

That seems just as bad as paying the same launch price for games barred from a console for a year.

 

[Silent Hill]

Course Phil. Like you have never done it.....

 

[ScientificPizza]

Head. Of. XBOX.

Which obviously equates to responsible for every decision. There's no delegation when it comes to video game management.

 

[DarkConfidant]

This reminds me of when Dave Chappelle had that sketch making fun of beer commercials.
Said something like:

"They go too far! They're misleading. And I know you're thinking 'but aren't you sponsored by beer commercials, Dave?'. I'm not talking about those ones. Them shits are delicious."


This guy isn't okay with this trend because now he's on the losing end of it more often than not.

I feel like the first big shot fired was the GTA IV DLC being Xbox 360 exclusive for at least year or so each.

 

[eerik9000]

Translation: "Not a fan that we're not able to get marketing deals with exclusive content as easily as we used to."

 

[Crackbone]

This type attitude and PR nonsense from Microsoft is the norm.

Every mouthpiece over there from PR to the corporate faces of the Xbox division either speak and say absolutely nothing of substance or flat out contradict the same practices they've participated in full bore in the recent past.

I really don't understand how anyone can be a fan of this guy without being completely blinded by corporate fanboyism.

 

[Kayant]

There is. But the need to jump on the outrage-train without even reading the article is scary.

That is to be expected these days sadly.

Separately, if we discount the past and look at their current strategy "Console Launch Exclusives" aren't much better especially if it's in cases where it's not done to help devs launch.

Given the amount of deals they signed there is going to be a fair amount of games that are done just to have that exclusivity launch window for XB1X which in turn does harm to the industry.

Main point is "Console Launch Exclusives" are not far off from exclusive content because platforms don't get "content" for x amount of time.

 

[Tecnniqe]

Head. Of. XBOX.

Say it again please

 

[Kaako]

The Phil beliebers in this thread are amusing. I understand this guy can do no wrong in your eyes, but past practices and history tells a different tale.

 

[Triggerhappytel]

This is where journalists illustrate their incompetence as well. Instead of following that up by illustrating instances where Microsoft instigated the very thing he's purportedly not a fan of, the journalist just moves on.

Yep. Too scared to point out the obvious in case the interview gets cancelled. "But didn't you just release Dead Rising 4, which is timed exclusive to your platform for a whole year?!"

 

[TheThreadsThatBindUs]

So he's okay with timed exclusives on full game releases but not timed releases on piecemeal content?

This reeks of hypocrisy.

Honestly. Spencer deserves to get called out on this bs.

 

[Ocarina_117]

Yes, absolutely. If xyz is available however months after it's exclusivity with abc console, I don't want to pay the same price for some arbitrary holdout period. In your scenario I still have access to the game and the content will come. To clarify, Phil isn't wrong, but imo one is far worse than the other. Everyone should get a chance to play at it's expected release date period (barring development issues).


Either way I'm weak. I can't say no to this:

https://giant.gfycat.com/BouncyDefiantGrub.webm

In the same line of thought everyone should get access to the same content if being made to pay the same price as other platform holders for a game.

 

[Burbeting]

Which obviously equates to responsible for every decision. There's no delegation when it comes to video game management.

A head is responsible of their department. Yes, that includes all of their decisions, even if the head might not be able to make all of them by themselves.

 

[AZ Greg]

Also, why are people holding Phil responsible for things that happened before his tenure?

 

[AyaisMUsikWhore]

What's the difference between this and console launch exclusive? They are the same thing regardless if it's content base or an entire game ....like....this is dumb.

 

[Mendrox]

They've done it in the past, with The Division. But I'm glad they realize this kind of shit is bad for the industry.

Sony's deal with Activision for Destiny is beyond absurd. Holding back content for years, that should be unnaceptable, plain and simple. And seeing it shown during Sony's conference, and people applauding and cheering it.. That was fucked up.




It's a timed exclusive. That's an entirely different subject.

Yeah holding of whole games for a whole year or longer is not worse than some shitty little strike mission or armor for your ingame pet. Releasing games later on another plattform is always the worst thing for me, because then I would have to buy the console for the game or wait a long time and lose interest in the game.

 

[Chaos2Frozen]

Which obviously equates to responsible for every decision. There's no delegation when it comes to video game management.

This is not ANY decision, signing exclusivity is a very big deal!

Like, possibly multi million dollar deals!

The head of a department really should know when it's giving away that amount of money.

 

[OsirisBlack]

Yea ok, not a fan.