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[thicc_girls_are_teh_best]

Bound to happen. If they want to be upfront and serious as a multiplat publisher, they have to do stuff like this. I assume they'll be doing the same with Nintendo, too. You have to be clear and communicative with your customers, and most of Xbox's are now on Steam, PlayStation and Nintendo.

I'm sure console diehards are punching the air at this; hell I'm sure two of the XboxERA people were crying after the podcast over the confirmation. You know who you are. But they're just gonna have to get over it

Not surprising. Even Sony admitted they can't have first party games without 3rd party revenue. And now they want to spread to more platforms as well.

This isn't a Sony Too™ situation at all. The way both companies have approached multiplatform is quite different and nuanced, and if some rumors are true then it seems SIE are going leaner on their multiplat strategy the way they should've years ago IMHO. I wouldn't be surprised if their PC initiative is retooled primarily around GAAS and maybe ports of super-legacy games, while newer non-GAAS ports get heavily scaled back.

They might look to bring a couple of those GAAS to Xbox & Nintendo tho; Marathon already has an Xbox version, and Gummy Bears will probably get a Switch 2 version if it's as rumored. But I do genuinely think the days of getting PC/Steam ports of, say, Ghosts of Yotei or Saros 1-2 years after the PS version are done & over.

Those games bring long-term sales potential to the console and bolster its library of content differentiation better if they remain exclusive, alongside enabling better synergy in hardware/software. And it wouldn't be a bad idea to retain at least a couple live-service/GAAS as wholly PS-exclusive (in a sense I guess GT7 already satisfies this to a large extent).

Now I ask this... Why the fuck are they even pushing for a new console? This makes no sense.

That's just it: it's not gonna be a console. It's gonna be a gaming PC with a console-like form factor (and ease-of-use, preferably).

The business model will reflect that.

 

[salva]

Xbox supporting PlayStation

 

[thicc_girls_are_teh_best]

Xbox is dead. They are going to advertise for other platforms for free. Why even buy a Xbox console at this point when everything it could do be done of PS and PC? Might as well kill whatever console they are planning next and just make games.

They probably feel they can build a device platform that bridges the gap between a console and a gaming PC.

We'll see if they can. And if they can, we'll see if they can do it before Valve, who already have a much bigger platform advantage on their side (Steam).

 

[PatientGamer]

That's all folks, it's officially a wrap. We now have 2 exclusive-heavy console manufacturers and everybody else is 3rd party.

Like I said in another thread though, this is all part of their long-term strategy. It's just a trojan horse for their real plan, which is to eventually make all their best games exclusive on Xbox in about 2 generations from now.

Right now they need to make the business model work, and they can only do that by being on PlayStation.

Once that 10-year COD contract is up, that franchise will be Xbox + PC exclusive, I'm almost 100% sure of that. The casuals who buy PS just for that, will switch to wherever the place is that has it.

 

[Mikado]

 

[Zacfoldor]

Microsoft’s wife: “We are going to be keeping my boyfriend’s dog while he is in football practice this season. You’ll need to rehome our dog and 2 cats.”
Microsoft: “Okay”

 

[Kvally]

This isn't a Sony Too™ situation at all.

Oh it is. You can do all the Sony Too and Microsoft Too comments you want. But it is what it is. It’s the direction they are both going. Period.

 

[Panajev2001a]

Oh it is. You can do all the Sony Too and Microsoft Too comments you want. But it is what it is. It’s the direction they are both going. Period.

Those plummeting sales eh?

 

[HeWhoWalks]

Even Sony admitted they can't have first party games without 3rd party revenue.

This has always been the PlayStation way of doing things. Nothing about it is different from what they once did. The one making critical changes is Microsoft and the latest financials from them and Sony explain why perfectly.

Only PC has seen any of Sony's games in any real capacity. The bread and butter of their business remains with the console *as they also stated, since we're using what they said.

 

[Pedro Motta]

 

[Kvally]

This has always been the PlayStation way of doing things. Nothing about it is different from what they once did. The one making critical changes is Microsoft and the latest financials from them and Sony explain why perfectly.

Only PC has seen any of Sony's games in any real capacity. The bread and butter of their business remains with the console *as they also stated, since we're using what they said.

Sony announced they are moving to be on consoles, PC, mobile and streaming and is a huge focus going forward with them. Do we need to post that information again? Sony also had PC releases, SP and MP, 5 years out. Now they are doing many SP and MP games day and date on PC, not to mention some to continue on Xbox as well as Switch.

Those plummeting sales eh?

They are having trouble keeping up with the generation leading Switch, which is on the way to be the best selling console in the history of consoles. I guess Sony made a decision that doesn't appeal to you?

 

[Panajev2001a]

Now they are doing many SP […] games day and date on PC

Do list away… note, you said “many”.

 

[onQ123]

Just know that Xbox need these sales quick fast & in a hurry because the next few financial quarters can't be hidden behind Activision .

I Xpect more Xbox games than Xpected to come to PS5 in the next few months.

 

[Kvally]

Do list away… note, you said “many”.

The Last of Us Part 1 Remake
Until Dawn Remake
MLB the Show (consoles)
Legos Horizon
Days Gone Remaster

and

Marathon
Helldivers 2
Concord
Fairgame$

Awaiting the goal post move…..#luckyus

 

[Panajev2001a]

The Last of Us Part 1 Remake
Until Dawn Remake
MLB the Show (consoles)
Legos Horizon
Days Gone Remaster

Out of those 3 remakes (one of an originally PS3 title and a PS4 title) and MLB which is a.) condition of the MLB license b.) stretches the definition of MLB.

Marathon
Helldivers 2
Concord
Fairgame$

Famous single player games eh (SP stands for Single Player )?

Not sure you have the trump card you thought you had mate but you do you .

 

[SkylineRKR]

Certainly gone are the days of Xbox OG and 360. Real contenders that offered quite the library you wouldn't find on Playstation consoles.

At this point Xbox is a brand of a bygone era. It still exists because consoles and their users are still around with ongoing subs. But in reality its dead. I can't imagine a high budget project like Gears of War E-Day will stay exclusive to just Xbox and PC. I also can't imagine MS really pushing a next-gen Xbox console.

They tested the waters with niche and very old games like SoT. But within the year they announce Forza Horizon which is kind of their biggest IP nowadays. They go all in sooner than expected.

 

[Synastry]

Makes sense its what all 3rd party publishers do.

 

[Sooner]

Their next “console” is just a Windows PC

Xbox fanboys will buy it because it has the Xbox logo on it, that’s it.

Makes me think back when Steam licensed out all those crappy Steam Box consoles. The new "Xbox" sounds like if Sega published a Steam Box and threw the Sega logo on it.

 

[HeWhoWalks]

Sony announced they are moving to be on consoles, PC, mobile and streaming and is a huge focus going forward with them. Do we need to post that information again? Sony also had PC releases, SP and MP, 5 years out. Now they are doing many SP and MP games day and date on PC, not to mention some to continue on Xbox as well as Switch.

More delusion.

Show me these many single player games coming to PC day and date. Hell, show me multiplayer/single player day and date games "in the many". Release dates/names/announcements.

Now show me the ones on Switch/Xbox that weren't already there (MLB: The Show, for example).

Edit: nevermind, I saw your bullshit lists above. So, nothing.

 

[Kvally]

Out of those 3 remakes (one of an originally PS3 title and a PS4 title) and MLB which is a.) condition of the MLB license b.) stretches the definition of MLB.


Famous single player games eh (SP stands for Single Player )?

Not sure you have the trump card you thought you had mate but you do you .

You moved the goal posts as expected…to the other side of the entire field

 

[Kvally]

More delusion.

Show me these many single player games coming to PC day and date. Hell, show me multiplayer/single player day and date games "in the many". Release dates/names/announcements.

Now show me the ones on Switch/Xbox that weren't already there (MLB: The Show, for example).

Edit: nevermind, I saw your bullshit lists above. So, nothing.

Awe snowflake got triggered. Relax honey it’s just plastic. You tried

 

[HeWhoWalks]

Awe snowflake got triggered. Relax honey it’s just plastic. You tried

No, you tried, but failed. Where's the many in your list(s)?

Didn't think so.

 

[Kerotan]

“I’m tired boss”

Satnya not happy with his performance and cut the Botox session's from his package?

 

[Topher]

Not surprising. Even Sony admitted they can't have first party games without 3rd party revenue. And now they want to spread to more platforms as well.

Show me where they said that.

The Last of Us Part 1 Remake
Until Dawn Remake
MLB the Show (consoles)
Legos Horizon
Days Gone Remaster

and

Marathon
Helldivers 2
Concord
Fairgame$

Awaiting the goal post move…..#luckyus

When we talk about "day one", we should be talking about the initial release of the game. Re-releases a few years after is not "day one". Either way, Sony broke down PlayStation last year showing that their studios that focus on single player games like Santa Monica, Insomniac, Naughty Dog, etc. are going to be day one only on PlayStation. Studios like Haven and Firesprite will be mutliplatform live service. Guerilla Games has been designated its own special status and so their work falls outside the rest. So that covers pretty much everything you've laid out except MLB which is published elsewhere by MLB, if I'm not mistaken.

None of this is comparable to Xbox making the move to a full third party publisher.

 

[Kvally]

No, you tried, but failed. Where's the many in your list(s)?

Didn't think so.

You still mad at Sony going 3rd party? Your meltdown is publicly glorious. It’s ok. It’s good for gamers. Thank you Sony.

It will be ubiquitous," Yoshida said. "Wherever there is computing, users will be able to play their favorite games seamlessly. Why PlayStation will remain our core product [is] we will expand our gaming experiences to PC, mobile, and cloud."

 

[Hohenheim]

Enough with this console platform thing? Xbox is by now a great publisher who might have some awesome new hardware coming at some point as well. Cool! More games coming to more folks. Gotta love that!

 

[Dorfdad]

Xbox is 100% a third party developer now. All this “Talk” is them trying to thread the needle on not losing their fan base. Make no mistake they are a developer first and foremost now. Within 2 years I’m confident we see day and date releases across all platforms.

 

[HeWhoWalks]

You still mad at Sony going 3rd party? Your meltdown is publicly glorious. It’s ok. It’s good for gamers. Thank you Sony.

It will be ubiquitous," Yoshida said. "Wherever there is computing, users will be able to play their favorite games seamlessly. Why PlayStation will remain our core product [is] we will expand our gaming experiences to PC, mobile, and cloud."

Right, so the answer remains that you have none.



Topher

Something tells me you won't get an answer either.

 

[FIREKNIGHT2029]

Xbox and its fans are getting cucked in realtime by MS.

 

[Topher]

You still mad at Sony going 3rd party? Your meltdown is publicly glorious. It’s ok. It’s good for gamers. Thank you Sony.

It will be ubiquitous," Yoshida said. "Wherever there is computing, users will be able to play their favorite games seamlessly. Why PlayStation will remain our core product [is] we will expand our gaming experiences to PC, mobile, and cloud."

The difference here is that I don't see statements from Microsoft stating that Xbox is their "core product" like Sony does with PlayStation. That's really where the two strategies diverge.

 

[SHAKEZ]

They will sell it at a profit to retain their current Xbox fans. They do not want to let 30 million console gamers/game pass users) rush off to PlayStation.

Not all of those are on console and I highly doubt they'll just stick with Xbox again.

 

[Kvally]

Show me where they said that.

I know you are fully aware of Sony’s statement of relying on COD revenue to continue investment in first party games during the court case.

When we talk about "day one", we should be talking about the initial release of the game. Re-releases a few years after is not "day one". Either way, Sony broke down PlayStation last year showing that their studios that focus on single player games like Santa Monica, Insomniac, Naughty Dog, etc. are going to be day one only on PlayStation. Studios like Haven and Firesprite will be mutliplatform live service. Guerilla Games has been designated its own special status and so their work falls outside the rest. So that covers pretty much everything you've laid out except MLB which is published elsewhere by MLB, if I'm not mistaken.

None of this is comparable to Xbox making the move to a full third party publisher.

We will agree to disagree.

 

[Klayzer]

You still mad at Sony going 3rd party? Your meltdown is publicly glorious. It’s ok. It’s good for gamers. Thank you Sony.

It will be ubiquitous," Yoshida said. "Wherever there is computing, users will be able to play their favorite games seamlessly. Why PlayStation will remain our core product [is] we will expand our gaming experiences to PC, mobile, and cloud."

 

[Kvally]

Right, so the answer remains that you have none.



Topher

Something tells me you won't get an answer either.

Topher is my homie. But please embarrass yourself more

 

[HeWhoWalks]

Topher is my homie. But please embarrass yourself more

He can be your homie, but he asked a question you couldn't answer. As did I. As did others. You are the walking embodiment of projection ("triggered", "embarrassing yourself"), so please continue! It's a slow Sunday and you are definitely a good source of entertainment.

 

[ChorizoPicozo]

and soon it will be the only one

 

[Kvally]

The difference here is that I don't see statements from Microsoft stating that Xbox is their "core product" like Sony does with PlayStation. That's really where the two strategies diverge.

"We know that for players, especially Xbox players, where we come from is people sitting in front of their television with a console plugged into their television. It's what developers are targeting. It's what so many of us play. Console is critical to the success of what we’re doing today and the future of Xbox. It's not the only thing we're going to focus on. We're going to focus on allowing player choice. But we know that console is the core of how people think- box is in the name of our product. Xbox. Console is critical to what we are building."

 

[Kvally]

He can be your homie, but he asked a question you couldn't answer. As did I. As did others. You are the walking embodiment of projection ("triggered", "embarrassing yourself"), so please continue! It's a slow Sunday and you are definitely a good source of entertainment.

Speaking of projection. The best you can do is “no you”?

 

[HeWhoWalks]

"We know that for players, especially Xbox players, where we come from is people sitting in front of their television with a console plugged into their television. It's what developers are targeting. It's what so many of us play. Console is critical to the success of what we’re doing today and the future of Xbox. It's not the only thing we're going to focus on. We're going to focus on allowing player choice. But we know that console is the core of how people think- box is in the name of our product. Xbox. Console is critical to what we are building."

Cool, so you expect Xbox to be the core of their business, right? So why are they porting their games to their main competitors' platform (a device that sells many times more than theirs, negating its necessity)?

To your post above — that's what happens when multiple people look for clarification and all you present is "you triggered snowflake", "keep embarrassing yourself". That an adult typed this is even scarier.

 

[Topher]

I know you are fully aware of Sony’s statement of relying on COD revenue to continue investment in first party games during the court case.

Sure, but that is Sony talking about their reliance on third party revenue as a platform owner. That is not the same thing as being reliant on the competition's platform which is what I was saying about with Xbox. What was the number we saw from December? 72% or something of Xbox content revenue came from PlayStation?

Xbox and PlayStation are in much different situations my man.

"We know that for players, especially Xbox players, where we come from is people sitting in front of their television with a console plugged into their television. It's what developers are targeting. It's what so many of us play. Console is critical to the success of what we’re doing today and the future of Xbox. It's not the only thing we're going to focus on. We're going to focus on allowing player choice. But we know that console is the core of how people think- box is in the name of our product. Xbox. Console is critical to what we are building."

Ok.....I'll concede that. They did say that. Wouldn't say their actions match what they say, but you've made your point.

 

[Kvally]

Cool, so you expect Xbox to be the core of their business, right? So why are they porting their games to their main competitors' platform (a device that sells many times more than theirs, negating its necessity)?

To your post above — that's what happens when multiple people look for clarification and all you present is "you triggered snowflake", "keep embarrassing yourself". That an adult typed this is even scarier.

There you go again with your senior “no you” moment.

I expect Xbox and PlayStation to keep consoles as the “core” but expand to multiple platforms like they have, yes.

You agree more games for more gamers is a good thing?

 

[Donald mac Ronald]

Phil 'capitulation' spencer

 

[HeWhoWalks]

There you go again with your senior “no you” moment.

I expect Xbox and PlayStation to keep consoles as the “core” but expand to multiple platforms like they have, yes.

You agree more games for more gamers is a good thing?

That isn't "no you". It's showing you the ridiculousness of your words. Problem is you see nothing wrong, so I can't help you further.

As to the consoles, it's clear that one of them has an entirely different strat than the other. There is no "both will do X because.....reasons". The core of Sony's business is PlayStation, the core of Microsoft's is Windows.

 

[m14]

An interesting thread title when Spencer mentioned Nintendo, PlayStation and Steam.

 

[HeWhoWalks]

Xbox and PlayStation are in much different situations my man.

Exactly.

 

[Kvally]

Sure, but that is Sony talking about their reliance on third party revenue as a platform owner. That is not the same thing as being reliant on the competition's platform which is what I was saying about Xbox. What was the number we saw from December? 72% or something of Xbox content revenue came from PlayStation?

Xbox and PlayStation are in much different situations my man.



Ok.....I'll concede that. They did say that. Wouldn't say their actions match what they say, but you've made your point.

I really don’t have a point. I’m mostly a PS guy now so no matter what (it is where I buy my multiplatform games now), I will be able to enjoy the games no matter where they go. But it’s clear that Sony sees expanding to other platforms as a priority even though PS is their core. Shawn even stated it’s not financially feasible for Sony to keep up their AAA pace on releases and high game development costs.

 

[bender]

Topher is my homie.

 

[Kvally]

That isn't "no you".

Yes it was.

As to the consoles, it's clear that one of them has an entirely different strat than the other. There is no "both will do X because.....reasons". The core of Sony's business is PlayStation, the core of Microsoft's is Windows.

Your opinion has been noted.

 

[HeWhoWalks]

Yes it was.

It wasn't, but your emojis are enough for me to see what you're continuing to do.

As for my opinion, good. At least something's beginning to shift. So do you see how their strategies are different?

 

[Kvally]

It wasn't, but your emojis are enough for me to see what you're continuing to do.

As for my opinion, good. At least something's beginning to shift. So, if it's noted, you see then how their strategies are different?

I have nothing to add to your quips. Your tribalism is noted.