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[HeWhoWalks]

I have nothing to add to your quips. Your tribalism is noted.

Do you see how their strategies are different? Simple question.

 

[Topher]

I really don’t have a point. I’m mostly a PS guy now so no matter what (it is where I buy my multiplatform games now), I will be able to enjoy the games no matter where they go. But it’s clear that Sony sees expanding to other platforms as a priority even though PS is their core. Shawn even stated it’s not financially feasible for Sony to keep up their AAA pace on releases and high game development costs.

I already miss the console war. We need to be able to duke it out with an ironclad exclusive games list war. None of the gotdang who is expanding where bullshit.

 

[Kvally]

I already miss the console war. We need to be able to duke it out with an ironclad exclusive games list war. None of the gotdang who is expanding where bullshit.

Well, next year is IICON. We could have floor plan wars return.

 

[Klayzer]

I already miss the console war. We need to be able to duke it out with an ironclad exclusive games list war. None of the gotdang who is expanding where bullshit.

Lol. I too, miss every faction listing their exclusives for battle.

 

[Kvally]

Lol. I too, miss every faction listing their exclusives for battle.

Well, check out the Nintendo list of exclusives. It's a bloodbath. I have to admit, I do wish that games like Mario and Donkey Kong were on PS/Xbox in glorious 4K and 120fps.

 

[HeWhoWalks]

Lol. I too, miss every faction listing their exclusives for battle.

Yup, even the power war was more fun (the old school version of it, for course).

 

[Orbital2060]

“I’m tired boss”

This is made by AI, right? Its the image of Phil Spencer at 75-80 years old.

I wanted to check it for AI artefacts, but the image is not downloadable and only exists on a locked imgur account ("image does not exist"). As far as I can see.

So I made a visual search of the image, and turns out it was uploaded to reddit 3 years ago, and that original image on reddit carries the watermark for Face App. Which is a kind of an AI tool to edit images and fx make people look older or younger.

FaceApp - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

Did you make it?

 

[saintjules]

I found it interesting during the direct showcase they showed PS5 as a platform for the games they announce. Meanwhile Playstation doesn't show Xbox as a platform for any of the same games being announced in their trailers.

 

[thicc_girls_are_teh_best]

They are having trouble keeping up with the generation leading Switch

Oh this is one of those posts.

You still mad at Sony going 3rd party? Your meltdown is publicly glorious. It’s ok. It’s good for gamers. Thank you Sony.

It will be ubiquitous," Yoshida said. "Wherever there is computing, users will be able to play their favorite games seamlessly. Why PlayStation will remain our core product [is] we will expand our gaming experiences to PC, mobile, and cloud."

Your problem is you can't interpret their comment as they meant it, only as you want to define it to fit a narrative.

Putting some GAAS on Steam isn't "going 3P" in the way an EA or Capcom are. By that logic, Nintendo is a 3P too since they have a few offshoots on mobile. Companies like SIE and Nintendo dabble with a few 3P releases here and there, same as MS did when they had games like Minecraft on other platforms and Cuphead (eventually) as a multiplat, or even the Ori games. It's the volume & frequency of such ventures that determine whether a company's focused as a 1P platform holder or as a 3P multiplatform publisher, IMO.

I will say, SIE were getting in a bit of a bad habit with porting so many of their current-gen games over to PC, even if it was 1-2 years later or so. That's something I've consistently criticized them on, as have others, even some other shareholders. And going by some rumors, it seems SIE have realized that which is why they're going leaner on the PC initiative (probably until they feel they need their own storefront, which I think is many years away).

There's no reason for them to continue that strategy as they have the past couple of years because stuff like HD2 have probably shown them that it's really very specific games in their portfolio that resonate strongly with Steam audiences and they should likely prioritize those, so anything outside of that range either gets skipped or it only goes because it's super-legacy and not detracting from the value of their main commercial platform's library value for that generation cycle (i.e old PS3 games or older). That's why going forward at least from the internal studios, likely the only PC ports are going to be some of the GAAS, and probably double-down on Helldivers 2 growing that into a platform.

I don't think they'll be pushing PC ports of non-GAAS current-gen AAA or even most AA games any further because it's not really 'free money' like some call it (initial costs for PC versions have to be accounted for in upfront budgets rolled into dev costs for the console release; studios like Nixxes just finish up some end work, handle various optimization and build out the package for distribution), and that time & money for the port could go towards optimization for the console version or even new AA games of various sizes, bolstering their publishing pipeline in more meaningful ways.

"We know that for players, especially Xbox players, where we come from is people sitting in front of their television with a console plugged into their television. It's what developers are targeting. It's what so many of us play. Console is critical to the success of what we’re doing today and the future of Xbox. It's not the only thing we're going to focus on. We're going to focus on allowing player choice. But we know that console is the core of how people think- box is in the name of our product. Xbox. Console is critical to what we are building."

Is this Phil from Yesterday or Phil from A Week Ago or Phil from A Month Ago or Phil from Six Months ago?

Because these are all very different Phils...

 

[Kvally]

Oh this is one of those posts.

 

[Kenneth Haight]

This is made by AI, right? Its the image of Phil Spencer at 75-80 years old.

I wanted to check it for AI artefacts, but the image is not downloadable and only exists on a locked imgur account ("image does not exist"). As far as I can see.

So I made a visual search of the image, and turns out it was uploaded to reddit 3 years ago, and that original image on reddit carries the watermark for Face App. Which is a kind of an AI tool to edit images and fx make people look older or younger.

FaceApp - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

Did you make it?

I googled Phil Spencer meme and copied it great detective work though

 

[DeepEnigma]

I already miss the console war. We need to be able to duke it out with an ironclad exclusive games list war. None of the gotdang who is expanding where bullshit.

Who knew everything is so mundane with consolidation, that we would miss actual list wars.

We had it so good, bruvs.

 

[Panajev2001a]

You moved the goal posts as expected…to the other side of the entire field

I said SP games and you quoted HellDivers II, yeah I can see how on brand you can be . You posted live services games to back up your Sony is porting their SP games to multiple platforms and accuse others of moving the goalposts… sorry buddy. What a win .

You are trying to drive a SonyToo narrative as if the moves by Sony and MS were comparable at this point in time.

You are comparing porting few months on releases, non committing to any more exclusives for new games, etc… to MANY Sony Single Player titles to PC (not Xbox, but PC) by listing a short list of ports of old games remasters / remakes and then peppering them with GaaS / live services games… as your proof Sony was porting “many” SP games day and date on Xbox. More on brand with everything is an Xbox though, kudos .

 

[PharaoTutAnchAmun]

GamePass wil be not on Playstation so...this video is empty and meaningless

 

[Kvally]

I said SP games and you quoted HellDivers II, yeah I can see how on brand you can be . You posted live services games to back up your Sony is porting their SP games to multiple platforms and accuse others of moving the goalposts… sorry buddy. What a win .

I didn't post any single player day one games? Looking forward to this reply, "buddy"

You are trying to drive a SonyToo narrative as if the moves by Sony and MS were comparable at this point in time.

I never said they are exactly the same at this point and time. MS is already all in. Sony is headed to all in.

You are comparing porting few months on releases

Wrong. Day and date.

, non committing to any more exclusives for new games, etc… to MANY Sony Single Player titles to PC (not Xbox, but PC) by listing a short list of ports of old games remasters / remakes and then peppering them with GaaS / live services games… as your proof Sony was porting “many” SP games day and date on Xbox. More on brand with everything is an Xbox though, kudos .

You just moved the goal posts to an entirely new stadium.

 

[Panajev2001a]

I didn't post any single player day one games? Looking forward to this reply, "buddy"

Now you are making stuff up. Complains about goalpost moving by others and suddenly we went from “many SP games day and date on multiple platforms” to “what do you mean I did not post any SP games?”. Padding the list with live services multiplayer games showed how much in good faith you were arguing.

Letting aside the pro debater stretch of old games remaster being what people mean when they compare day and date multiplatform everywhere (with more asterisks about PC vs PC + PlayStation).

I never said they are exactly the same at this point and time. MS is already all in. Sony is headed to all in.

Keeping on stretching things without proof (removing PSN requirements from PC games does not sell what you are pitching as manifest destiny either) and trying to move the argument away from the previous statement… ooook.

You just moved the goal posts to an entirely new stadium.

As above, you are projecting or arguing in bad faith.

 

[Kvally]

Now you are making stuff up. Complains about goalpost moving by others and suddenly we went from “many SP games day and date on multiple platforms” to “what do you mean I did not post any SP games?”. Padding the list with live services multiplayer games showed how much in good faith you were arguing.

Letting aside the pro debater stretch of old games remaster being what people mean when they compare day and date multiplatform everywhere (with more asterisks about PC vs PC + PlayStation).

Keeping on stretching things without proof (removing PSN requirements from PC games does not sell what you are pitching as manifest destiny either) and trying to move the argument away from the previous statement… ooook.


As above, you are projecting or arguing in bad faith.

There you go again. I assume you just prefer to troll? Enough of that please.

 

[Shane89]

Now I ask this... Why the fuck are they even pushing for a new console? This makes no sense.

cloud console, cheap price, very profitable, not a problem if it fail. that's what gonna happen

 

[Astray]

That's all folks, it's officially a wrap. We now have 2 exclusive-heavy console manufacturers and everybody else is 3rd party.

Like I said in another thread though, this is all part of their long-term strategy. It's just a trojan horse for their real plan, which is to eventually make all their best games exclusive on Xbox in about 2 generations from now.

Right now they need to make the business model work, and they can only do that by being on PlayStation.

Once that 10-year COD contract is up, that franchise will be Xbox + PC exclusive, I'm almost 100% sure of that. The casuals who buy PS just for that, will switch to wherever the place is that has it.

Lol you will have to live up to your name for a long-ass time my brother.

 

[MayauMiao]

To make money?

Xbox made money?

 

[Panajev2001a]

There you go again. I assume you just prefer to troll? Enough of that please.

Just replying to the argument you made as you made it, you were not arguing in good faith or projecting, but you are right maybe I am unfair and you are doing both.

Care to say why you quoted live services MP games in your SonyToo is releasing many SP games everywhere again? It was your list (which would have to include Xbox consoles… but of a big difference there, their console market like a Nintendo’s still thriving and very valuable). If you cannot see how odd the TLOU port is to your argument of Sony accelerating their PC day and date strategy not sure what to tell you.

 

[yogaflame]

Ps already won the battle against MS since Ps2. Ms is much better as a 3rd party developer and publisher. Flawless victory by Sony, but I still dont like Sony porting there exclusives to PC and a very few exclusives this PS5 generation. But dont get me wrong, ps5 is a very good piece of hardware.

 

[Kvally]

If you cannot see how odd the TLOU port is to your argument of Sony accelerating their PC day and date strategy not sure what to tell you.

If you can’t see how it’s not odd at all, then we are at a dead end.

 

[SHAKEZ]

very profitable

If it sells at all.

 

[Panajev2001a]

If you can’t see how it’s not odd at all, then we are at a dead end.

I guess so, not that you are even bothering to explain that at all. How port of remasters of relatively old games to PC compares to new Xbox games ported to PlayStation and Switch (not contractually obligated years ago too, like the licence in MLB and I would not be surprised if it were for LEGO too)… pretending they are self evident…

Again, anything about the list of live services multiplayer games you padded your “many” SP games day and date list with?

 

[HeWhoWalks]

Oh this is one of those posts.



Your problem is you can't interpret their comment as they meant it, only as you want to define it to fit a narrative.

Putting some GAAS on Steam isn't "going 3P" in the way an EA or Capcom are. By that logic, Nintendo is a 3P too since they have a few offshoots on mobile. Companies like SIE and Nintendo dabble with a few 3P releases here and there, same as MS did when they had games like Minecraft on other platforms and Cuphead (eventually) as a multiplat, or even the Ori games. It's the volume & frequency of such ventures that determine whether a company's focused as a 1P platform holder or as a 3P multiplatform publisher, IMO.

I will say, SIE were getting in a bit of a bad habit with porting so many of their current-gen games over to PC, even if it was 1-2 years later or so. That's something I've consistently criticized them on, as have others, even some other shareholders. And going by some rumors, it seems SIE have realized that which is why they're going leaner on the PC initiative (probably until they feel they need their own storefront, which I think is many years away).

There's no reason for them to continue that strategy as they have the past couple of years because stuff like HD2 have probably shown them that it's really very specific games in their portfolio that resonate strongly with Steam audiences and they should likely prioritize those, so anything outside of that range either gets skipped or it only goes because it's super-legacy and not detracting from the value of their main commercial platform's library value for that generation cycle (i.e old PS3 games or older). That's why going forward at least from the internal studios, likely the only PC ports are going to be some of the GAAS, and probably double-down on Helldivers 2 growing that into a platform.

I don't think they'll be pushing PC ports of non-GAAS current-gen AAA or even most AA games any further because it's not really 'free money' like some call it (initial costs for PC versions have to be accounted for in upfront budgets rolled into dev costs for the console release; studios like Nixxes just finish up some end work, handle various optimization and build out the package for distribution), and that time & money for the port could go towards optimization for the console version or even new AA games of various sizes, bolstering their publishing pipeline in more meaningful ways.



Is this Phil from Yesterday or Phil from A Week Ago or Phil from A Month Ago or Phil from Six Months ago?

Because these are all very different Phils...

Shut it, snowflake!

 

[Panajev2001a]

Oh this is one of those posts.



Your problem is you can't interpret their comment as they meant it, only as you want to define it to fit a narrative.

Putting some GAAS on Steam isn't "going 3P" in the way an EA or Capcom are. By that logic, Nintendo is a 3P too since they have a few offshoots on mobile. Companies like SIE and Nintendo dabble with a few 3P releases here and there, same as MS did when they had games like Minecraft on other platforms and Cuphead (eventually) as a multiplat, or even the Ori games. It's the volume & frequency of such ventures that determine whether a company's focused as a 1P platform holder or as a 3P multiplatform publisher, IMO.

I will say, SIE were getting in a bit of a bad habit with porting so many of their current-gen games over to PC, even if it was 1-2 years later or so. That's something I've consistently criticized them on, as have others, even some other shareholders. And going by some rumors, it seems SIE have realized that which is why they're going leaner on the PC initiative (probably until they feel they need their own storefront, which I think is many years away).

There's no reason for them to continue that strategy as they have the past couple of years because stuff like HD2 have probably shown them that it's really very specific games in their portfolio that resonate strongly with Steam audiences and they should likely prioritize those, so anything outside of that range either gets skipped or it only goes because it's super-legacy and not detracting from the value of their main commercial platform's library value for that generation cycle (i.e old PS3 games or older). That's why going forward at least from the internal studios, likely the only PC ports are going to be some of the GAAS, and probably double-down on Helldivers 2 growing that into a platform.

I don't think they'll be pushing PC ports of non-GAAS current-gen AAA or even most AA games any further because it's not really 'free money' like some call it (initial costs for PC versions have to be accounted for in upfront budgets rolled into dev costs for the console release; studios like Nixxes just finish up some end work, handle various optimization and build out the package for distribution), and that time & money for the port could go towards optimization for the console version or even new AA games of various sizes, bolstering their publishing pipeline in more meaningful ways.



Is this Phil from Yesterday or Phil from A Week Ago or Phil from A Month Ago or Phil from Six Months ago?

Because these are all very different Phils...

Well said . Phil has many versions to fit any narrative they want their influences to spin .

 

[EN250]

Of course they will. PS5 is going to be their main money-maker for the next several years.

It already is based on COD sales from last year, can't remember the split, but it was crazy

Say hello to MS Gaming, the new Third Party Publisher for Sony, PCMR and Nintendo

 

[Honey Bunny]

God that is rough for Xbox fans.

 

[Kvally]

It already is based on COD sales from last year, can't remember the split, but it was crazy

Say hello to MS Gaming, the new Third Party Publisher for Sony, PCMR and Nintendo

Well it’s good PS at least has games from Xbox.

 

[Orbital2060]

I love it.

 

[Panajev2001a]

God that is rough for Xbox fans.

Rough with the kind of astroturfers and toxic influencers Xbox partnered with.

 

[EN250]

Well it’s good PS at least has games from Xbox.

Sony has games, what's lacking is First Party Exclusive Games, but that's because head of PS is a dumbass who think everyone loves Horizon and GAAS trash, so he likes to burn money on that shit while PS5 is coasting the gen since it has no competition

 

[bitbydeath]

I never said they are exactly the same at this point and time. MS is already all in. Sony is headed to all in.

Sony are fickle, and it could all change at the drop of a hat as nothing is tying them down to the PC platform. They don’t own the OS or even a store.

Sony allowed games on PC because they said they didn’t see PC as competition. However it wasn’t that long ago they created the PS4 Pro to keep gamers from moving mid-gen.

They’ve always seen Microsoft as competition, and them moving to PC may impact their future decisions, or not, we’ll have to wait and see.

 

[SegaSnatcher]

Simple question, if I can just buy their games on Playstation/Nintendo hardware then what is the point of Xbox making consoles anymore? Doesn't this pretty much makes Xbox consoles redundant?

 

[m14]

Well it’s good PS at least has games from Xbox.

If the next Xbox dominates the high end console gaming space, which seems very possible, don't be surprised if it starts receiving PlayStation ports.

 

[fersnake]

 

[bitbydeath]

If the next Xbox dominates the high end console gaming space, which seems very possible, don't be surprised if it starts receiving PlayStation ports.

The next Xbox is a PC.
Nobody will need to do Xbox ports anymore.
It’ll just work!

 

[m14]

The next Xbox is a PC.
Nobody will need to do Xbox ports anymore.
It’ll just work!

It's going to be spectacular.
But rest assured it will be in the form of a console and there will be envious looks from PS fans. PC level performance with the accessibility of a console? That's going to ruffle feathers.

 

[bitbydeath]

It's going to be spectacular.
But rest assured it will be in the form of a console and there will be envious looks from PS fans. PC level performance with the accessibility of a console? That's going to ruffle feathers.

Not much difference to what PS already gets honestly. Great entry point for Xbox fans to the PC world however.

 

[Kvally]

Not much difference to what PS already gets honestly. Great entry point for Xbox fans to the PC world however.

It’s gonna need the Xbox OS to run the existing libraries.

 

[Hawking Radiation]

Phil Spencer RN to PlayStation:

 

[bitbydeath]

It’s gonna need the Xbox OS to run the existing libraries.

It’d be easier to give them the PC version and emulate anything else. Most games already work across both.

 

[Kvally]

It’d be easier to give them the PC version and emulate anything else. Most games already work across both.

Hard to imagine my 800 Xbox 360, Xbox OG, Xbox One and Xbox Series games would just work on a PC. Especially if there isn’t a PC version. Users would have a flawless experience with Halo 5 and Halo Infinite? One is on PC the other is not.

If they can give you thousands of PC versions of console games that would be great. But that sounds like a huge task to work out with thousands of developers.

 

[Mibu no ookami]

It’d be easier to give them the PC version and emulate anything else. Most games already work across both.

I could envision a dual boot mode. One that runs the Xbox OS with specific drivers taking advantage of the architecture and then a custom version of windows, which would essentially be a steam machine but running the Windows Store with maybe the option of running multiple stores. Devs would have to optimize games for running on that system similar to the Steam Deck, but could also run unoptimized.

But I'm telling people the price tag on this thing is going to be tremendous. I would not be surprised if this never happens or if it doesn't run Steam.

 

[T-0800]

That's all folks, it's officially a wrap. We now have 2 exclusive-heavy console manufacturers and everybody else is 3rd party.

Like I said in another thread though, this is all part of their long-term strategy. It's just a trojan horse for their real plan, which is to eventually make all their best games exclusive on Xbox in about 2 generations from now.

Right now they need to make the business model work, and they can only do that by being on PlayStation.

Once that 10-year COD contract is up, that franchise will be Xbox + PC exclusive, I'm almost 100% sure of that. The casuals who buy PS just for that, will switch to wherever the place is that has it.

 

[SakkanartSilentJealousy]

I saw Microsoft Game Studio logo in Ninja Gaiden 2 Black trailer on Playstation's youtube too. This never happen before.

 

[drganon]

Kvally and m14 still fighting the war.

 

[kazuyamishima]

If the next Xbox dominates the high end console gaming space, which seems very possible

 

[demigod]

Basically Game Over for the xbox astroturfers. BTW where has CatLady been?