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Marvel Vs. Capcom: Infinite Characters and Stages Roster Discussion Thread
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AWizardDidIt
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It's entirely possible that Antman was initially planned but then dropped later if they feel they couldn't get the mechanics down. If that was the case they might have moved one of their initially planned DLC characters into his slot (possibly Venom or Winter Soldier)
lucebuce12
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https://www.twitch.tv/capcomunity
2 hours and 50 minutes from now, it's on their stream schedule that they posted on their channel description
direct_quote
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Leaks that specifically call out Ryce are weird and I don't really think that they are valid because of that...
lucebuce12
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Leaks about the authenticity of other leaks are fucking ridiculous.
Newniverse
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Still at it.
I'm trying to create my first BnB combo. I ended up getting stuck though. I gotta change the ending somehow.
I'm trying to create my first BnB combo. I ended up getting stuck though. I gotta change the ending somehow.
The patience this must have took. I'm really not liking a lot of of these new level 3s, especially Spencer. A surprising number of them are throw-this-person-int-the-air-and-then-hit-them-with-energy, too.
Cap's is cool, but I liked Final Justice a lot
Chris' Level 3 is so bad. SO much startup and it's so sluggish.
Forgot about this.
What about Rikurikumore? TBH we don't know enough about the game to outright disprove people yet. Especially when the "oh nvm they're DLC now lmao" is so common.
Fuck yeah. Hopefully they answer questions from the chat.
I'm inclined to agree with you, however the characters are chosen largely based upon the role they play in the story mode, in which case it might take some pretty significant rewriting/additional production to do a swap like that.
On the topic of Ant-Man being dropped, we do absolutely have a precedence for this in previous fighting games, but more importantly, in the Marvel Vs. series itself.
I think all of us remember that Frank West was a silhouette in one of the earliest MvC3 trailers and his silhouette also appeared in a completely separate promotional poster for vanilla MvC3.
As we all know, this lead everyone to guarantee he was included only to learn he had been cut. This very well could have happened with Ant-Man, although it's hard to say.
Regarding the impact of his removal on story mode--it's hard to say. If it's true that you can pick any two characters after a certain point, this is a non-issue. If you HAVE to play as Ant-Man, it probably isn't often and may have only lead to one or two scenes that needed to be replaced. After all, they still have his model and can keep him in the rest of the scenes that don't imply he's about to fight.
For all we know he could be in there, but this kind of feels like vanilla Frank again.
I think all of us remember that Frank West was a silhouette in one of the earliest MvC3 trailers and his silhouette also appeared in a completely separate promotional poster for vanilla MvC3.
As we all know, this lead everyone to guarantee he was included only to learn he had been cut. This very well could have happened with Ant-Man, although it's hard to say.
Regarding the impact of his removal on story mode--it's hard to say. If it's true that you can pick any two characters after a certain point, this is a non-issue. If you HAVE to play as Ant-Man, it probably isn't often and may have only lead to one or two scenes that needed to be replaced. After all, they still have his model and can keep him in the rest of the scenes that don't imply he's about to fight.
For all we know he could be in there, but this kind of feels like vanilla Frank again.
BassForever
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Ant Man could have been swapped with someone in the starting roster to work on him more/fix him due to some kind of broken/unbalanced mechanic but still be playable in his broken/unbalanced form in the story mode.
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Jawmuncher
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Three leaked still put out a shitty roster. Why would they add more and still skip the female characters. It's baffling
BassForever
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Clearly the female cross over fighting game demographic isn't big enough to invest more resources in
I've got nothing, just seems incredible short sighted by capcom/marvel to let both halves of the roster be so male heavy.
AWizardDidIt
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I guess it depends. One of the leaks said that the initial 6 DLC characters would all feature in the story mode in some capacity (their character models are done, just not their movesets) so if they swapped out one of the DLC characters with him, it might not be noticeably different at all as long as Antman wasn't a major character. They would just remove the sections where the player actually controls him or sub in a different character for that.
Twist: The last Capcom character and rumoured "third Darkstalker" is Demitri.
It's in the Level 3s video posted above. It's called Ultimate Justice or something. Still looks dope, but it's not Final Justice.
You're right.
AWizardDidIt
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I think it's because most of the roster is ports over from MvC3 and the female characters in MvC3 where overwhelmingly Xmen or from games Capcom isn't interested in pushing right now. I don't think it was intentional but it definitely wasn't well thought through.
Doctrine Dark
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Nope. I don't think Cap's new lvl3 is bad, though. It looks ok.
Having just watched the Level 3 Hypers I just realized that Spencer's new one is based on how he dispatched Groeder which in turn was a homage to the infamous "exploding head" from the original NES game.
Speaking as a big fan of the series that's... actually pretty funny and cool. Kind of tells me Combofiend had to have been an actual fan of the BC09 game + the franchise itself and not just someone who liked how Spencer played since that's the only specific move he has that's from any of his previous games lol.
Speaking as a big fan of the series that's... actually pretty funny and cool. Kind of tells me Combofiend had to have been an actual fan of the BC09 game + the franchise itself and not just someone who liked how Spencer played since that's the only specific move he has that's from any of his previous games lol.
AWizardDidIt
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lol ok
Definitions of "best" obviously differ. Saying 'go play skullgirls if you don't like it' is a pretty shitty attitude
TRUE ORDER
Member
No Final Justice in Cap's moveset?
Bummer...
Bummer...
roflwaffles
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Most of the good female characters in Marvel are in X-Men.
Jawmuncher
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I don't really think that's a good argument. Like just as an opposite what if someone said "well most of the best comic and video game characters aren't black". It's just hella wrong to throw such a blanket statement over a gender or race.
My personal complaint isn't that they need to make this roster only Females over male characters or anything. But between and capcom and marvel, they have plenty of female characters to work with, yet for some reason aren't.
I love skullgirls though, and loved the inclusion of big band and Beowulf as well. I think that case is a little different though since it was made with the intent of being Female over Male characters and being a new IP gives them a lot of room for what they make the roster.
Like capcom and marvel at are minimum should be looking at the 1/4th rule at least. In the leak roster they're still 2 characters off (if they want to kee paroty) and 3 characters off to be exactly at 1-4th
Most of the good ones are X-Men, IMO. Storm, Jean Gray, Rogue, etc. But of course, there is a disproportionate number of male characters in the first place and those that are popularized via things like the MCU. Not as bad as the purported proportion in MvC:I, though.
The kicker is that everytime they demo the game, Mike Evans and them always refer to the few female characters currently in the game as being strong female characters. Only a few of them exist, apparently, if the leaks are anything to go off of.
I'm not really with the idea of quotas or affirmative action in gaming per ce, but with how large of a proportion of gamers women are, it's really saddening to see developers be slow or even regressive in acknowledging them and giving them characters they can identify with (IMO a significant part of Overwatch's success). And despite me not condoning DR2K's trolling, I do understand people protesting on the basis of that alone.
Japanese devs have never been the most consistently progressive in general
AWizardDidIt
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Nah, that's not even true. Just most of the highly visible ones in the 90s were.
Currently there's a ton of very high profile female Marvel characters that are *very* good characters. Like half of Marvel's most critically acclaimed series in the past couple years have featured or starred women.
Jawmuncher
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Yeah, you could easily get to the 1/4th rule for the roster without having to stretch out picks for females easily.
Doctrine Dark
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Honestly, 4 females really is bad.
Elektra is one of my fav Marvel characters and I feel like she should've been included. Ms. Marvel is something we all agree with. Medusa. Bringing She Hulk back. Mockingbird. There are many choices outside of the X-Men that they could've gone with. Don't even get me started on the Capcom side.
Elektra is one of my fav Marvel characters and I feel like she should've been included. Ms. Marvel is something we all agree with. Medusa. Bringing She Hulk back. Mockingbird. There are many choices outside of the X-Men that they could've gone with. Don't even get me started on the Capcom side.
Still at it.
I'm trying to create my first BnB combo. I ended up getting stuck though. I gotta change the ending somehow.
Hey, Captain Marvel's J.HP looks a lot like Rogue's from XvS.
AWizardDidIt
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Elektra would be great. Hell, the current Jane Foster Thor is probably the best incarnation of Thor there's ever been.
But then they couldn't have just ported over that model from MvC3 and called it a day I guess (plus gotta have that MCU recognition).
Songbird, Spectrum, America Chavez, Squirrel Girl, Jessica Jones, Black Widow... I could go on.
allenpergallon
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That's actually really neat. I need to check out this game one of these days.
Jawmuncher
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Yeah, even if we had to deal with female port overs. They had stuff to work with especially with some of the pics on that roster.
IntelliHeath
As in "Heathcliff"
Here is my post like 10 pages ago.
Previously I thought same but I checked the bar so it seem unlikely but I hope that I'm wrong on that behalf. Look at the navigator bar and you might notice that it's at top.
Anything can change during the development. Remember Gematsu leak with Chorus Kids? And MVC3 and Frank West and Dr. Octopus?
christiankid7
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I mean, at this point it might be possible there's more MVC3 transplants not on that list and in the roster.
If so, I'd say Jen and Danny make sense, especially if VENOM is in the roster....I'd see a MCU Defender being in before a character Marvel doesn't even own the movie rights to.
If so, I'd say Jen and Danny make sense, especially if VENOM is in the roster....I'd see a MCU Defender being in before a character Marvel doesn't even own the movie rights to.
I wouldn't bet on it, but hey before the file surfaced we thought 28 was the max. Who knows.
I'm thinking:
Shehulk/Iron Fist/Akuma/unknown Capcom MVC3 character
I'm thinking:
Shehulk/Iron Fist/Akuma/unknown Capcom MVC3 character
Grayskull Guardsman
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I hope this .zip leak is from an earlier build and we get more characters than that...
Vanilla MvC3 had 36/38 to start and UMvC3 had 50. If Capcom wants folks to buy day one, they need a sizable roster with more than 6 or 7 newcomers.
Especially after playing MvC3 Dante vs. MvCi Dante. He definitely got a downgrade and feels so stiff. UMvC3 needs to be bested by this game, and right now it is still FAR superior, IMO.
Chris and Chun need some face work, too! (Did anyone mention that yet?) ;-)
Vanilla MvC3 had 36/38 to start and UMvC3 had 50. If Capcom wants folks to buy day one, they need a sizable roster with more than 6 or 7 newcomers.
Especially after playing MvC3 Dante vs. MvCi Dante. He definitely got a downgrade and feels so stiff. UMvC3 needs to be bested by this game, and right now it is still FAR superior, IMO.
Chris and Chun need some face work, too! (Did anyone mention that yet?) ;-)
lucebuce12
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Capcpom's also got a new DMC game coming out, yet they've added methhead Dante.
Fair points
IntelliHeath
As in "Heathcliff"
Well, they should have included She-Hulk if they want to.
I understand your point but I felt that you haven't really follow Marvel stuffs for long time did you? There are many good female characters that could bring more flavors to archetypes and styles.
Other than leaked marvel characters and Fox Bans, we still have Ms. Marvel, Medusa, Squirrel Girl, Elektra, Moon Girl and Devil Dinosaur, She-Hulk, Quake, Wasp, Spider-Woman, Songbird, Miss America, Valkyrie, Dagger (Cloak and Dagger), Misty Knight, Scarlet Witch (I know she's under Fox Ban), and many more.
Also there are more characters but I'm not sure if they would bring something interesting into Marvel but I could be proved as wrong.
Also there are Gwen-Pool, Spider-Gwen, Thor (Jane Foster), Black Panther, Tigra, White Tigress, Black Cat, Jessica Jonese, Agent 13, Mockingbird, Mantis etc.
CrimsonCrescendo
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Shit roster, really bad character models, fewer characters to start with,bad visuals, loss of MvC 3's style... what exactly is supposed to be my motivation to play this over UMvC3?
AWizardDidIt
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It'd be nice if Capcom took some inspiration from Injustice 2 and did some premier skins that were different characters. It would be a fun nod to the palette swap characters in the old games while throwing in some fan favorites without putting in a ton of extra work.
Extra points if the alt-skin characters actually have different properties on their attacks. Then you could almost half ass a decent roster (though they'd probably just charge for them like they were new characters bleh)
Ryu -> Ken
Morrigan -> Lilith
Chris -> Leon
Spider-man -> Miles Morales or Spider Gwen
Thor -> Beta Ray Bill
Iron Man -> War Machine
Extra points if the alt-skin characters actually have different properties on their attacks. Then you could almost half ass a decent roster (though they'd probably just charge for them like they were new characters bleh)
Ryu -> Ken
Morrigan -> Lilith
Chris -> Leon
Spider-man -> Miles Morales or Spider Gwen
Thor -> Beta Ray Bill
Iron Man -> War Machine
Newniverse
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Hey, Captain Marvel's J.HP looks a lot like Rogue's from XvS.
SHe definitely has a rogue thing going on. She's my next best hope of someone like Trish.
Karsticles
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Jawmuncher
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Capcom Vancouver said their stuff wasn't ready to show yet
DaytimeWhiskey
Banned
All you would have to do for War Machine is copy and paste Morrigans missle super coming from the Proton Cannon and speed it up a smidge
bangbang i'm a timpani
Banned
how long until the vs stream?
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