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Marvel Vs. Capcom: Infinite Characters and Stages Roster Discussion Thread

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enzo_gt

tagged by Blackace
kirblar said:
Sony's got the Venom movie coming out, so given this is on PS4, they're probably throwing them a bone.
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This is way too many steps of logic for it to be the reason.

I think the "It has to be pushing something else!" thing is a misnomer and I don't know why it's hard for y'all to shake, especially after they keep emphasizing that it's not a by-committee thing (even if it ends up largely looking like that by virtue of those being the most popular characters). I mean Iron Man is big enough to carry his own game but Marvel Games decided to make another Spidey game first.

People like Venom, and he's was one of the most, if not the most requested for MvC3. That's all it really is.
 
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kirblar

Member
enzo_gt said:
This is way too many steps of logic for it to be the reason.

I think the "It has to be pushing something else!" thing is a misnomer and I don't know why it's hard for y'all to shake, especially after they keep emphasizing that it's not a by-committee thing (even if it ends up largely looking like that by virtue of those being the most popular characters). I mean Iron Man is big enough to carry his own game but Marvel Games decided to make another Spidey game first.

People like Venom, and he's was one of the most, if not the most requested for MvC3. That's all it really is.
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I don't disagree that that is the reason why Venom was pushed to be on the roster. I'm trying to answer the question of "why did Venom get the exception to be the only non-MCU character on the base roster?"

The same logic is true for a number of other characters, yet they didn't get the greenlight, and Sony's involvement pushing him over the top (as opposed to say, Dr. Doom) seems likely.
 
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ElBoxyBrown

Banned
enzo_gt said:
This is way too many steps of logic for it to be the reason.

I think the "It has to be pushing something else!" thing is a misnomer and I don't know why it's hard for y'all to shake, especially after they keep emphasizing that it's not a by-committee thing (even if it ends up largely looking like that by virtue of those being the most popular characters). I mean Iron Man is big enough to carry his own game but Marvel Games decided to make another Spidey game first.

People like Venom, and he's was one of the most, if not the most requested for MvC3. That's all it really is.
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Spider-Man is bigger than Iron Man.
 
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AWizardDidIt

Member
kirblar said:
I don't disagree that that is the reason why Venom was pushed to be on the roster. I'm trying to answer the question of "why did Venom get the exception to be the only non-MCU character on the base roster?"
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Nova is the other prominent non-MCU character marvel side.

Likely the reason was simply that someone on the dev team liked him and fought for him to take a spot.
 
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Ryce

Member
Michael Evans and Peter Rosas are still pushing the "we weren't limited by Marvel" narrative in E3 interviews with Japanese sites, despite every Marvel character on the box art appearing in a recent or upcoming MCU film and the base roster having zero X-Men.
 
kunonabi

kunonabi

Member
IntelliHeath said:
Well, they should have included She-Hulk if they want to.



I understand your point but I felt that you haven't really follow Marvel stuffs for long time did you? There are many good female characters that could bring more flavors to archetypes and styles.

Other than leaked marvel characters and Fox Bans, we still have Ms. Marvel, Medusa, Squirrel Girl, Elektra, Moon Girl and Devil Dinosaur, She-Hulk, Quake, Wasp, Spider-Woman, Songbird, Miss America, Valkyrie, Dagger (Cloak and Dagger), Misty Knight, Scarlet Witch (I know she's under Fox Ban), and many more.

Also there are more characters but I'm not sure if they would bring something interesting into Marvel but I could be proved as wrong.

Also there are Gwen-Pool, Spider-Gwen, Thor (Jane Foster), Black Panther, Tigra, White Tigress, Black Cat, Jessica Jonese, Agent 13, Mockingbird, Mantis etc.
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eh, only 5 of those are really worth putting in. Hopefully, the DLC adds more women from both sides but I'm not expecing much from the Marvel side outside of the obvious no-brainers.
 
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ElBoxyBrown

Banned
JeTmAn81 said:
Most of the best comic and video game characters aren't female. *Shrug*. I wish gender complainers would play Skullgirls. Black Widow at least should be in this though. Probably DLC :/
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Ant-Man is no where near as popular as most of Marvel's female heroes, let alone the MCU. The only reason he's in this is cuz he had a movie that made money.
 
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BassForever

Member
Ryce said:
Michael Evans and Peter Rosas are still pushing the "we weren't limited by Marvel" narrative in E3 interviews with Japanese sites, despite every Marvel character on the box art appearing in a recent or upcoming MCU film and the base roster having zero X-Men.
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If the xmen and ff got massively cut down to just wolverine and deadpool I'd totally buy the "we weren't impacted by marvel" excuse since those are the two biggest mia vets from the Marvel half of the roster. Capcom could easily argue they wanted less xmen for more diversity in marvel franchises in a smaller launch roster.
 
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GoldenCrow

Member
Just finished playing the demo and really enjoyed it. Didn't think I would. Can see why some hardcore fans of the series would be a bit disappointed with the direction though. Hope Wolverine, Vergil and Viewtiful Joe make it in the final game. Also needs more enemies from both worlds to appear.
 
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AWizardDidIt

Member
kirblar said:
The Nova Corps are already in the MCU, even if Nova himself isn't.
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No one whose only experience with comics is through the movies is going to identify Nova as being related to them. He's tangentially related at best and still kind of stands out.

Ryce said:
Michael Evans and Peter Rosas are still pushing the "we weren't limited by Marvel" narrative in E3 interviews with Japanese sites, despite every Marvel character on the box art appearing in a recent or upcoming MCU film and the base roster having zero X-Men.
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Meh, mighta been capcom had just as much to do with it. MCU characters have more visibility world wide than the xmen right now. Maybe capcom said to focus on MCU stuff first rather than marvel because they thought it would draw in people familiar with those movies?

Alternative idea: Maybe it was a purely financial decision and Capcom either had to pay less for license rights or marvel put in more money towards the game if they used MCU characters? Marvel tends to be all about brand synergies nowadays so even if they didn't directly limit the team away from using Xmen, they probably gave them incentive to include other characters over them.
 
shaowebb

shaowebb

Member
Ryce said:
Wolverine and Deadpool are far more popular than Nova, Hawkeye, and Gamora, so I don't think that's why they were left out.
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DLC stands for "Dont Lose Cash". If it was popular old it'll be DLC. If its popular and new...it'll be DLC. So far we getting B and C listers. Hell I dont even see a single Defender at this point. You'd think by now at least Daredevil would be coming. Hype stuff acts like its behind a paywall and thats a shame if they dont put enough of it in the base game to draw attention.
 
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kirblar

Member
shaowebb said:
DLC stands for "Dont Lose Cash". If it was popular old it'll be DLC. If its popular and new...it'll be DLC. So far we getting B and C listers. Hell I dont even see a single Defender at this point. You'd think by now at least Daredevil would be coming.
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Yeah, who the hell is going on that cover?
 
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ElBoxyBrown

Banned
shaowebb said:
DLC stands for "Dont Lose Cash". If it was popular old it'll be DLC. If its popular and new...it'll be DLC. So far we getting B and C listers. Hell I dont even see a single Defender at this point. You'd think by now at least Daredevil would be coming. Hype stuff acts like its behind a paywall and thats a shame if they dont put enough of it in the base game to draw attention.
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No one at Capcom can afford Netflix.
 
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Dahbomb

Member
Ryce said:
Michael Evans and Peter Rosas are still pushing the "we weren't limited by Marvel" narrative in E3 interviews with Japanese sites, despite every Marvel character on the box art appearing in a recent or upcoming MCU film and the base roster having zero X-Men.
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PR lip service gonna PR lip service... I mean no shit son.
 
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AWizardDidIt

Member
Ryce said:
Wolverine and Deadpool are far more popular than characters like Nova, Hawkeye, and Gamora, so I don't think that's why they were left out.
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True which is why I'm more and more thinking the roster was a financial decision on capcom's part. I think it was less of an "xmen ban" and more of a "you can choose any characters you want, but if you choose xyz mcu characters we'll throw in this sack of money with it"
 
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McNum

Member
Hellshingu said:
That's a pretty cool setup.
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Yeah that life-size Ultron Sigma is pretty awesome. The only way it would be better would be if it was a guy in a suit who was sitting very still so he could suddenly join the photoshoots while commenting on bizarre organic behaviors.

And, of course, if he ever played the game, he'd get Ultron Sigma.
 
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Neoxon

Junior Member
GoldenCrow said:
Just finished playing the demo and really enjoyed it. Didn't think I would. Can see why some hardcore fans of the series would be a bit disappointed with the direction though. Hope Wolverine, Vergil and Viewtiful Joe make it in the final game. Also needs more enemies from both worlds to appear.
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I wouldn't get your hopes up, at least for Day 1.

AWizardDidIt said:
Meh, mighta been capcom had just as much to do with it. MCU characters have more visibility world wide than the xmen right now. Maybe capcom said to focus on MCU stuff first rather than marvel because they thought it would draw in people familiar with those movies?

Alternative idea: Maybe it was a purely financial decision and Capcom either had to pay less for license rights or marvel put in more money towards the game if they used MCU characters? Marvel tends to be all about brand synergies nowadays so even if they didn't directly limit the team away from using Xmen, they probably gave them incentive to include other characters over them.
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If Capcom had as much of a say as they claim, we would at least have Wolverine, Deadpool, & Doctor Doom. It just comes off as Capcom not wanting to throw Marvel under the bus.
 
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IntelliHeath

As in "Heathcliff"
Ryce said:
Michael Evans and Peter Rosas are still pushing the "we weren't limited by Marvel" narrative in E3 interviews with Japanese sites, despite every Marvel character on the box art appearing in a recent or upcoming MCU film and the base roster having zero X-Men.
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You should know that they can't throw Marvel under the bus because it would damage their relationship so what do you expect from them?

kunonabi said:
eh, only 5 of those are really worth putting in. Hopefully, the DLC adds more women from both sides but I'm not expecing much from the Marvel side outside of the obvious no-brainers.
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Agree to disagree with you there I do think there are more than 5 characters that would make excellent characters.
 
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AWizardDidIt

Member
Neoxon said:
If Capcom had as much of a say as they claim, we would at least have Wolverine, Deadpool, & Doctor Doom. It just comes off as Capcom not wanting to throw Marvel under the bus.
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This shit always comes down to money so I think Capcom is just that desperate to take whatever benefits got from packing the base roster with as much MCU as it could.

It's short sighted imo but that's the look capcom has to me right now.
 
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enzo_gt

tagged by Blackace
a fifth of the only time allotted to MvC:I VS gameplay on official E3 streams has now passed

CAPCOM WHAT THE FUCK ARE YOU DOING
 
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Neoxon

Junior Member
AWizardDidIt said:
This shit always comes down to money so I think Capcom is just that desperate to take whatever benefits got from packing the base roster with as much MCU as it could.

It's short sighted imo but that's the look capcom has to me right now.
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Then what's the justification for Lego Marvel 2 not having any X-Men? What about, until very recently, Marvel Future Fight? If it was just MvCI, maybe you'd have a point. But the issue has been widespread amongst post-CoC games that only just recently ended (& some games may not be able to act on it soon enough, like MvCI & Lego Marvel 2).

Hopefully MvCI & Lego Marvel 2 are the last Marvel games that leave the Fox characters out on Day 1.
 
Buggy Loop

Buggy Loop

Member
Capcom 2008 vs 2017

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Meth, not even once.
 
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Kyne

Member
how the fuck can they afford that expensive backdrop but then make their newest fighting game look like mugen 3D fighter alpha.
 
DR2K

DR2K

Banned
Ryce said:
Michael Evans and Peter Rosas are still pushing the "we weren't limited by Marvel" narrative in E3 interviews with Japanese sites, despite every Marvel character on the box art appearing in a recent or upcoming MCU film and the base roster having zero X-Men.
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If you say a lie enough times you can end up believing it.
 
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AWizardDidIt

Member
Neoxon said:
Then what's the justification for Lego Marvel 2 not having any X-Men? What about, until very recently, Marvel Future Fight? If it was just MvCI, maybe you'd have a point. But the issue has been widespread amongst post-CoC games that only just recently ended (& some games may not be able to act on it soon enough, like MvCI & Lego Marvel 2).

Hopefully MvCI & Lego Marvel 2 are the last Marvel games that leave the Fox characters out on Day 1.
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Lego Marvel 1 had X-men. Lego Marvel 2 is very explicitly MCU focused in theme. It seems to be made from the bottom up to be based on those movies in the same way Lego Lord of the Rings was based on those movies.

Marvel Heroes (the f2p diablo clone) has always been throwing in xmen and fox characters since it released.

I dunno, I think you're attributing a bit too much malevolence on Marvel's part and not enough on companies just behaving like their bottom line is the most important factor. License fees are expensive and I bet Marvel's just rewarding the MCU stuff more than xmen.
 
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Neoxon

Junior Member
Captain Marvel mentions Star-Lord when fighting Nova.

AWizardDidIt said:
Lego Marvel 1 had X-men. Lego Marvel 2 is very explicitly MCU focused in theme. It seems to be made from the bottom up to be based on those movies in the same way Lego Lord of the Rings was based on those movies.

Marvel Heroes (the f2p diablo clone) has always been throwing in xmen and fox characters since it released.

I dunno, I think you're attributing a bit too much malevolence on Marvel's part and not enough on companies just behaving like their bottom line is the most important factor. License fees are expensive and I bet Marvel's just rewarding the MCU stuff more than xmen.
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Marvel Heroes & Lego Marvel 1 were initially released before Contest of Champions, which was the cut-off point before the ban supposedly started.
 
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