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Jim Sterling shares his issues with the Xbox One (The Jimquisition)
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Chiggs
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Yes, and don't you dare suggest otherwise!
LittleBusters
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Let's leave the system wars at the door please.
You know Sony fan boys are in a bit of a panic after Microsoft's megaton at E3.
BANGS
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No, it's bad that people who have a PC have no reason to buy an xbox...
1.21Gigawatts
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I agree, but its still a platform with unique appeals.
Xbox didn't really manage to carve out its own unique selling point this gen.
Nintendos and Sonys exclusives have been better. X1X is most powerful on paper, but the best looking games are still found elsewhere.
3rd party games on X1X don't really look substantially better than they do on Pro, and compared to PC the X1X still represents a compromise.
If you ask me, Microsoft learned the wrong lessons from the Xbox One launch. Yes it was unfortunate that they launched weaker hardware at a higher price with a gimmick people didn't like and a bunch of anti-consumer polices. All that needed to be fixed. But just doing all the fuck ups was enough to be really successful. They needed exclusive content and the 1st party investments they announced at this E3 should've been announced at E3 2014, or even earlier. Microsoft could've seen this coming all the way back in 2009/2010, when Sony caught up to the 360 in part because of their exclusive output. But Microsoft apparently thought that focussing on their 3 core IPs(Halo, Gears, Forza) and having a few 3rd party exclusives would be enough.
Major management fuck up.
phil_t98
#SonyToo
but I have a PC and an Xbox X?
Rekki-Maru
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you know the drill, next time he'll talk about nintendo or sony.
BANGS
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That's great but most people find that redundant...
The Mad Draklor
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For me, I use the money I save from not needing to pay for Xbox Live to upgrade my GPU.
gioGAF
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Well, that was just stating the obvious as far as I can tell. I won't repeat any of it since Jim already covered it.
I have a distaste for the MS business model/philosophy. I don't think MS is a problem unless they are the market leader, then they shit all over you. As long as Sony and/or Nintendo are dictating the market, we can all benefit from an MS that is playing catch up and actually offering good things to the consumer (which you can forget about if they become #1).
I have a distaste for the MS business model/philosophy. I don't think MS is a problem unless they are the market leader, then they shit all over you. As long as Sony and/or Nintendo are dictating the market, we can all benefit from an MS that is playing catch up and actually offering good things to the consumer (which you can forget about if they become #1).
Chiggs
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Because he's a self-aggrandizing moron?
Fox Mulder
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It's fun, but came out in 2014 and isnt going to push anyone to buy a Xbox One if they haven't by now though.
The Xbox isn't shit. It just isn't constantly delivering amazing first party exclusives like Sony or Nintendo. Something MS has never really done even when Halo was more popular.
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Dr. Claus
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I disagree with the "constant high quality games". Gears 4 was good, but Forza 5/6/7 were all horribly weak compared to last gen's offerings and Halo 5 is arguably the worst of the franchise (not to mention the broken mess that is MCC).
Forza 6 and 7 are great, so is Halo 5, but hey it's just an opinion opposite to yours. But yeah, this gen is nothing like the X360 domination in the market for over a half of generation.
phil_t98
#SonyToo
I aint most people then
phil_t98
#SonyToo
thats great for you then
Two Pikachus
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Is this 1999?
Dead Space was a notoriously bad port. Because there are occasional hiccups in the transition when shit developers see PC as an afterthought does not translate to PC gaming being too difficult. By that logic PS3 is too difficult to deal with since Skyrim ran awful on it. Only then you couldn't fix it because it's a closed system.
It's 2018. For the vast majority of PC games it's Install Steam > Install Game > Connect Controller > Play. If you don't care about having the latest graphics, don't change anything. No need to tweak if you're not inclined. For every Dead Space and Batman Arkham Knight there are 100 Metal Gear Solid V's. This line of thinking is living in the past and being willfully blind to facts.
TheSadRanger
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The thing that worries me is the effects of game pass on the industry as a whole and it's potential to limit developers revenue. Game pass only encourages developers to use gaas models even further by potentially limiting revenue made from initial purchases.
Game pass is great for consumers but I really wonder what effect it's going to have on the industry by further devaluing it's own product. Iwata pointed at the trends of the AppStore market years ago about what happens when you do this sort of thing.
Starbuck2907
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Doesn’t mention that XOX is the best place for multi platform games unless you have a nice gaming pc. Made some decent points but they were all old news. Sort of a weak Jimquisition.
gioGAF
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I agree, I don't think Game Pass is good for those making games. I can see why consumers like it, but I'm interested in the overall health of the industry. That is why when people bitch and moan about Sony not following the Game Pass / EA Pass model, I find it super annoying. More choice, sure, but maybe some platform holders are more interested in the long term and/or not devolving into trash like mobile markets.
As far as I'm concerned, Sony and Nintendo have it right, MS just exploits shit. If they are doing something you think is good, you should look a little deeper into why they are doing it.
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BANGS
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And that's a problem for microsoft...
Is his viewpoint contrarian, or consensus?
Danjin44
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Xbox did had fantastic E3 but it didn't really made me want buy Xbox because most of the exciting games they showed I can just get it on my PS4.
TBiddy
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If we skip the console war BS portion of your post, why don't you think it has any value for consumers?
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Snoopycat
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He's right, it is a bit shit. I've had 2 of them. Got the Sunset Overdrive special edition. Never used it. Gave it to one of the kids. Then I bought a Slim last year. Never used it. Never had a reason too. Sold it to a guy at work. It's a shame because I was all 360 last gen, but it has to be said MS have been a bit shit this gen
Thiagosc777
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This is kind of funny. But it is offtopic. I used to game on the PC since 1995 until 2008.
First the game runs at 20 fps or it stutters, then you try to tweak settings to see if you can improve the framerate. But what to change? Lower texture quality? Well, the game looks bad. Well, try keeping the texture and change the AA setting or some other effect like AO? Try that. What if you keep the settings high and just lower the resolution? Oh wait, a crash. Let's go to forums see if others have the same problem. Maybe reinstalling will do? Updating drivers perhaps? After hours browsing forums, you learn of a fan mod that fixes the game, because the developers themselves couldn't bother to do it.
Never again I am going through this crap.
Never again I am going through this crap.
And...
Did you even game back in 1999? Gaming on the PC in the 90s was the easiest thing to do. All you needed was enough RAM and a fast CPU. If your PC wasn't fast enough you could always lower the resolution and that was it. Even early 3D boards were simple.
Dabaus
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Gamepass is like, literally the only differentiating value proposition the console has unless your a die hard halo or gears of war fan. And That's pretending like PSNow doesn't have anything noteworthy, which it does. Like I don't mean that to disrespect you or troll the console. That's my opinion.
KyanMehwulfe
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Certainly at least the hateful part, I hope soon. Even by Sterling standards, his DW9 videos were particularly emotional and exaggerated. For every good point he made (it is a bad game), any possibly acknowledge that could be made that the game did some redeeming design if you gave it a chance, was rendered impossibly to even consider because he was frothing at the mouth like a rabid fanboy that his favorite character was changed. And those sort of reactions or characterizations of a game not just being bad but somehow an atrocisty, or other trends like not just criticism of a game's production 'but how X game was murdered!,' or the other countless shit videos that plague my recommendation pane because their exaggerated clickbait titles get clicks and thus snowball higher up the recommendation list.
It's to the point where I rarely bother with most Youtube channels that arise in recommendations unless they're clearly dedicated to one game. So much else follows that trend you say, and I wonder if most of these channels are not unlike the old GAF joke, 'do these people even play and enjoy games? ;p' I tend to stick to channels dedicated to games, like milsim roleplaying channels for GR Wildlands or Long War channels for XCOM, because at the very least you can find -- unlike that trend you allude to -- some optimism and passion for the hobby.
BANGS
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It's basically the same now. Poor performance at 4k or 1080? drop to 1080 or 720 respectively and 99% of the time problem solved...
Do Make Say Think
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Sterling does love stating the obvious in such a manner that makes him look like a genius.
What a waste of air he is.
What a waste of air he is.
michaelius
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Well technically you could say that due to Windows Store and UWP being total crap that those games are still effectively Xbox exclusive.
But even then it's still same Forza, Halo , Gears now with full load of microtransactions inside.
But even then it's still same Forza, Halo , Gears now with full load of microtransactions inside.
The Mad Draklor
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I mean... a console generation's worth of PS+ or Xbox Live subscriptions is not insignificant. My gaming preferences has allowed me to save a lot of money. I play singleplayer on the PS4 so I don't see any need to pay for PS+ and whatever multiplayer games I play, I do that on PC on top of the other PC games I have.
Calibos
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Agreed. I am sticking to more positive, less critical youtubers/media lately. Some would call it spoonfeeding myself, but I am very tired of the crazy negativity everywhere. I say PubG or Vermintide 2 are playable and fun on Xbox, even though they have issues, and I get completely thrashed for having low standards or being a fanboy. I just don't get what people are so uptight about these days so I have just decided to try and mostly steer clear of the vitriol...sometimes I still get sucked in though.
Thiagosc777
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Most definitely not. There are a several things that can make your game run poorly (texture filtering, AA, AO, object blur, etc...) all of which are configurable from the either the game settings or via external apps. That's not even considering bad ports.
BANGS
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Of course, but lowering resolution usually solves all issues. I game on a shitty prebuilt best buy laptop from 4 years ago and I never have any problems running new games...
phil_t98
#SonyToo
I just prefer sitting in the living room with a big tv and a controller, I pay for live and it aint that much a year if you shop around. just my preference
this. He's not wrong, but he's presented it in the most dickish way possible. I'd say he should have framed it as encouraging Microsoft, suggesting solutions, but it's not his job and I can see why he couldn't really give a shit if Microsoft fix the problems with the xbox.
fwiw I think MS have done some good stuff this gen, I'm not sure it will be enough to convince me to buy one next gen, but we'll see what they put out I guess
TheWatcher
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I am a gaming enthusiast. I own a PS4 Pro and Xbox One X. I currently find the Xbox to be the more consumer friendly product. I am not a fan of paying for online gaming but at least one of these console lets me play my favorite games from last generation without charging me. This is a big deal for me, but may not be for others.
The Xbox One was sabotaged by its initial anti consumer message. Guys like Spencer are the reason why the Xbox has rehabilated its image. This all changed because of consumer feedback.
The Xbox One was sabotaged by its initial anti consumer message. Guys like Spencer are the reason why the Xbox has rehabilated its image. This all changed because of consumer feedback.
BANGS
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You can easily do that with a PC tho... not saying you have to game on PC your preference is your preference but that's a weak reason honestly. Like saying I don't drink sprite because I like carbonated beverages...
Thiagosc777
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Why not just play on the X1X then? I thought every PC gamer was playing at 4k/60 and that's why 4k/30 on the X wasn't worth it.
BANGS
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Contrary to popular belief, most PC gamers don't just do it for the raw power, but for the options. Playing on my laptop gives me more gaming options than all 4 of my consoles put together...
I don't think the people saying that, assuming there are people saying that, are playing on a 4 year old laptop tbf.
The X seems a good bit of kit to me, it's impressive. As someone with a 1080 and a PS4 Pro it doesn't really have a selling point to me personally, but if I had neither of those things I probably pick one up
Hendrick's
If only my penis was as big as my GamerScore!
Personally, I think the One X is great as a late gen console pickup. All the best games coming at the end of this gen are going to be multi-plats anyway and will "play best™" there.
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BANGS
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my god the cringe lol
Yeah this attitude right here is kind of the problem.
I'm not dropping half a grand to play a above average 4 year old game. Jim Sterling isn't wrong here.
Two Pikachus
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You know, maybe some people just have bad luck with something always. Like me, I always overcook or undercook my food. It's like I'm incapable of cooking beyond basic things. Maybe that's the case with you and PC gaming - I haven't had issues like you describe since I got my first gaming PC in 2001 trying to get Morrowind to run well. Little did I know that game relies heavily on the CPU and very little of what I did was going to make it run better on my budget build, but that's beside the point. PC gaming these days is so easy and not only do games come with presets (low, med, high, ultra) that do a great job of helping you get the best experience for your hardware, but they often auto-select on the first boot based on your specs. Like, I really don't understand how something as simple as it is today is such a hurdle for some people. I take umbrage with the 'endless headaches' remark. You really don't need to be technically inclined to enjoy PC games. Even my girlfriend (not commentary on females, just my particularly computer-illiterate girlfriend) was able to install steam on her mac, buy RCT3 and play it. She installed Origin and bought The Sims 4. She never once had to ask me for help and she's the type that doesn't understand why you need to restart a PC from time to time.
Sorry for the wall of text and I'm not trying to pick a fight here. I'm just truly dumbfounded. This was a legitimate criticism of PC games years ago but hasn't been in the modern era.