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Next-Gen PS5 & XSX |OT| Console tEch threaD

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Denis Colovic

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Gudji said:
If this is true - I think it is since they've had a similar conversation last year - then the PS5 could be 4 TF and people would still buy it. Almost no one is going to upgrade their console and pay 300-500€ to just play the same games they can play on their current console.
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Here we go again haha. What about third party games that wont be released on last gen?
 
Gudji

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LordOfChaos said:
I think it would hamper adaptation for sure, but isn't this the very model the 8.5 gen consoles tried to scope?
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Think so. MS said "no generations going forward" a while ago and Sony singed a different tune, we'll see in a couple of weeks.

Denis Colovic said:
Here we go again haha. What about third party games that wont be released on last gen?
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You won't be getting a lot of those. The transition X360/PS3 to XBO/PS4 showed us that. The majority of 3rd party studios won't ignore an install base of 150 Million consoles, that would be just dumb.
 
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demigod

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thicc_girls_are_teh_best said:
Sony didn't have cross-gen 1st party? TLOU had a PS4 remaster a year or so after the PS3 release, that counts as a cross-gen game. Many third-parties had them as well. And I already said how them not having cross-gen for a lot of 1st party games kind of was a bad move as a general consensus early on, up until around Bloodborne's release. Outside of Infamous: Second Son, their 1st party titles on PS4 were either seen as average or in some cases, poor (Order 1886).

Even before the system released, many wondered why games like Gran Turismo 6 weren't at least cross-gen releases and never got cross-gen ports a year or so later on. Meanwhile PS4 exclusives they premiered at the reveal event like Dreams were way, way off (hell I basically stopped caring about that game last year when in 2013 it was one of the biggest reasons I looked forward to PS4).

Anyways, you aren't going to ever have an informed critical thought on this stuff if you only go looking for what you already want to hear. Shutting out logical points of a topic simply doesn't make any sense. I do think Booty should have simply not mentioned cross-play related plans at all right now though; anyone could've assumed cross-gen would've been a thing, but people paying attention to next-gen systems aren't really thinking about cross-gen gaming. Though it could be beneficial for multi-platform online gaming with cross-play, so that could be a reason for caring about cross-gen support I suppose.
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Hello, we are talking about launch titles. I specifically said "SONY". I know there were third party cross gen titles, hence why I'm NOT talking about it. Do you not comprehend?

And what does being "poor" have anything to do with it being a launch title? How you missed Knack and Killzone and added Bloodborne and Order 1886 is beyond me.
 
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Denis Colovic

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Gudji said:
Think so. MS said "no generations going forward" a while ago and Sony singed a different tune, we'll see in a couple of weeks.



You won't be getting a lot of those. The transition X360/PS3 to XBO/PS4 showed us that. The majority of 3rd party studios won't ignore an install base of 150 Million consoles, that would be just dumb.
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Kinda true yeah. Allthough this can also be an incentive for third party devs, espacally new ones to only ship on xbox series x because of more visibility. If there will be no big first party exclusives for a long time then those other third party titles will have a big spotlight. Assuming console owners will be hungry for next gen only titles.

postscript: There are a lot of games currently in development for PC and some of those games would simply not run on PS4 and XBOX ONE. Those games may be then ported to PS5 and Xbox Series X instead. So there can be a lot of great content on Series X even if MS wouldnt ship next gen only exclusives. Same for PC games already released which wouldnt run on PS4 and XBOX ONE.
 
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DJ12

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I think someone should make a post of all out insiders fake, real and unvetted but good at guessing posters predictions, oh and old oneside of the argument only, timdog, and maybe get the mods to put it in the first post.

One who's closest to be correct gets a custom title 'leak commander' or other such ludicrous moniker.

This title will stay with the until the next round of releases when the title will be up for grabs.
 
SenjutsuSage

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DJ12 said:
I think someone should make a post of all out insiders fake, real and unvetted but good at guessing posters predictions, oh and old oneside of the argument only, timdog, and maybe get the mods to put it in the first post.

One who's closest to be correct gets a custom title 'leak commander' or other such ludicrous moniker.

This title will stay with the until the next round of releases when the title will be up for grabs.
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I like this! Or Lord of the Leaks.
 
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Blindarchangel82

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As a Gran Turismo fan, I'm really hoping they implement ray-traced reflections. These low poly cube map reflections look terrible. Imagine how good this game will look on PS5!

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thicc_girls_are_teh_best

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demigod said:
And what does being "poor" have anything to do with it being a launch title? How you missed Knack and Killzone and added Bloodborne and Order 1886 is beyond me.
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It matters because launch game or not, efforts like Knack and Killzone weren't well received, it's that simple. If you're implying that next-gen early adopters are desperate enough for content to buy a game simply because it's new and on that system only, well that was probably more true in the past, but entertainment was more fragmented back then, too. Crossover wasn't as big as it is today. If a launch game isn't well-received it doesn't matter if it's an exclusive or not, that bad reception will potentially harm its uptake and make a lot of people simply wait for other games to come.

Also, historically speaking, the only platform holder whose 1st party launch games have consistently been the biggest drawers for early platform adaptation is Nintendo. With others it was either very region-specific and sporatic (SEGA, Saturn Japan launch Virtua Fighter), or really driven by 3rd-party content (PS2 launch, Dreamcast launch, 360 launch etc.). 3rd parties have been prioritizing more platform support as the years have gone on, not less, so that is probably going to extent to cross-gen efforts for the first year or so.

Speaking of Killzone and Knack, Killzone in particular did okay for launch but I'm almost 100% sure the then-launch Battlefield and COD games greatly outsold and outscored it, including on PS4. And those two were cross-gen games. So the point is, whether next-gen launch titles are cross-gen or next-gen exclusive doesn't have as big an impact on the quality of the game or its perception in being "next-gen" compared to other titles on that platform as you think. And with the multimedia features of modern systems, if a 1st-party launch game is next-gen exclusive that doesn't automatically guarantee it's worth a buy; people could still pick up that next-gen system but put the money they'd spend on that game towards another game, or multimedia purchases to use on that next-gen system instead.

That's really all I'm saying.
 
sonomamashine

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Denis Colovic said:
Kinda true yeah. Allthough this can also be an incentive for third party devs, espacally new ones to only ship on xbox series x because of more visibility. If there will be no big first party exclusives for a long time then those other third party titles will have a big spotlight. Assuming console owners will be hungry for next gen only titles.

postscript: There are a lot of games currently in development for PC and some of those games would simply not run on PS4 and XBOX ONE. Those games may be then ported to PS5 and Xbox Series X instead. So there can be a lot of great content on Series X even if MS wouldnt ship next gen only exclusives. Same for PC games already released which wouldnt run on PS4 and XBOX ONE.
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Denis Colovic said:
Im unsubbing now as most of the people here are just trying to dig for more inside info. You will most likely not get em. Simple as that. I understand people are excited I am too. But the fact that some people here are so desperate over leaks is just blowing my mind. Just wait til official announcments and full reveal envents.

Until then have fun everyone in this thread, im probably coming back when things have settled and we can actually talk about real specs.
Was a pleasure being here.
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I thought you where out of here :pie_thinking:
 
01011001

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Blindarchangel82 said:
As a Gran Turismo fan, I'm really hoping they implement ray-traced reflections. These low poly cube map reflections look terrible. Imagine how good this game will look on PS5!

Sx4xDVh.jpg
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actually, racing games benefit the least from raytraced reflections.

Forza Horizon 4 already has extremely good looking realtime reflections on cars (they sadly use screenspace for water tho)
the reflections are real time and work through planar reflections and on big rear windows it renders a second camera view on that window (basically like the mirrors are rendered in cockpit view)

an upgraded version of this solution would already look pretty damn good honestly... up the resolution a bit and the drawdistance inside the reflections would be enough to have very convincing reflections on the cars themselves at least.
 
CraZed

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joe_zazen said:
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search user yakima. Tim is in Yakima, Wa.

tim with his new gamer chair:

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edit: j/k in case not obvious.
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LOL figures.
As an aside. Yakima is a $#!t hole. Used to do drills out there when I was stationed at Ft. Lewis. Not sure if you meant to do it but your pic is from my experience, slightly representative of the place.

Thought it was odd he decided to reply to the post, trying to give it some legitimacy.
 
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Good 'ol Michael Pachter:

According to Michael Pachter, a video game industry analyst at Wedbush Securities, what he has heard so far indicates that Sony will once again be watching from the sidelines. “As far as I know, they don’t plan to attend,” Pachter told VGC. “I think that’s a huge mistake, as their ‘focus on the consumer’ is not inconsistent with their attendance at the premier industry trade show. I hope they change their minds, but am sceptical.”
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Thedtrain

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The Mad Draklor said:
I second this. The timing and Timdog's reactions were suspicious. Unless Timdog was trying to cover his own ass by acting all humble (not likely because old habits don't disappear that quickly), Yakima is an alt.
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yep, dead giveaway

A more believable reaction would be to attack this persons non existent credibility. Then take to twitter to talk power
 
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Isn't the games working across the entire MS Xbox family, exactly what MS has been pushing the whole time? I'm confused as to why people would think that all the games wont always be backward compat.
 
Agnostic2020

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joe_zazen said:
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search user yakima. Tim is in Yakima, Wa.

tim with his new gamer chair:

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edit: j/k in case not obvious.
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Haha most probably my guess few pages back was correct . Irecognized him from one sentece. I m sure he even messaged Proelite Proelite told him lets troll together . Telling him I make this account and lets pretend its real to mess with sony ponies (their kinda conversation )😂😂

Mod of War Mod of War can you check the pm between these two lovely gentlemen on the site ? Woukd be epic 😂😉
 
Blindarchangel82

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01011001 said:
actually, racing games benefit the least from raytraced reflections.

Forza Horizon 4 already has extremely good looking realtime reflections on cars (they sadly use screenspace for water tho)
the reflections are real time and work through planar reflections and on big rear windows it renders a second camera view on that window (basically like the mirrors are rendered in cockpit view)

an upgraded version of this solution would already look pretty damn good honestly... up the resolution a bit and the drawdistance inside the reflections would be enough to have very convincing reflections on the cars themselves at least.
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Well, what if they only used it for Photo Mode, where performance wont matter? Could be a good solution. At least in that instance.
 
demigod

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wolffy71 said:
Isn't the games working across the entire MS Xbox family, exactly what MS has been pushing the whole time? I'm confused as to why people would think that all the games wont always be backward compat.
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This would be pushing "forward compatibility", meaning all future games will work on xbox one.

Imtjnotu said:
Tim allegedly made a fake account acting as an insider stating ps5 was stronger. He used the the username Y YakimaG . And Tim coincidentally lives in the town Yakima, Washington
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Wait, how do you know he lives in Yakima?
 
SportsFan581

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wolffy71 said:
Isn't the games working across the entire MS Xbox family, exactly what MS has been pushing the whole time? I'm confused as to why people would think that all the games wont always be backward compat.
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It's likely a matter of semantics. I'm sure there will come a time when the xbone family can not play new releases locally. However, they can still live on as streaming boxes.
 
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