demigod
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Heisenberg has always said xsx is more powerful, but not by much.
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Heisenberg has always said xsx is more powerful, but not by much.
Darklor01
Might need to stop sniffing glue
There is an easy way off the ride. Nothing is real until it is official. Don’t play the game. All I care about at the moment is to know when the events are happening and what content they will have.
Blindarchangel82
Member
Cerny browsing these threads...
TheStruggler
Report me for trolling ND/TLoU2 threads
B_Boss
Member
Me right now
.....You and so many others, especially during nextgen console launches and one of the reasons why we probably see so much speculation and fanboyism
. Some of us just lose our minds with the absence of officially documented facts surrounding specs and whatnot.fakest leak ever ,i could tell since every game on that list is anounced or rumored games ,a real list would have annanounced and new ips ,fake
Lort
Banned
So it was going to radically alter performance except people didn’t bother to use it ( except they actually did as in the game I quoted), and it wouldn’t have made much difference ( which it didn’t) because the ps4 overall design was bad.. and they also didn’t use it because it wasn’t useful.
That’s a radical argument...
JLB
Banned
great job!So... I spent my afternoon doing this.
Does it look any good?
although it looks a bit like a modem/router.
gamechanger87
Member
I didn’t know GS employees had specs but what do I know
Insane Metal
Member
You guys know I had a reallly hard time believing we were getting 12TF RDNA.... until MS came out and said "almost exactly" that. But IDK. I still find it hard to believe when their own most powerful card, from last year, is still under 10TF. I can't wait for the actual reveal of these machines to know more.
bitbydeath
Member
That card was never expected to be used though as it doesn’t support RT. The 5800 wasn’t revealed at CES because it’s what’s powering both next-gen consoles.
JLB
Banned
i speak spanish and can confirm thats pure bs
Shin
Banned
Lack of competitors in GPU/CPU space caused the stagnation, things would have moved along a lot faster if AMD weren't snails.
There's no one else but them and they've been trailing behind nVidia, so NV takes their sweet time and does the same like Intel - milking people with small gains because they can.
Insane Metal
Member
We don't know that. In fact there is A LOT we don't know. For example, Phil said the CPU in XSX is 4x the power of the one on the X and based on DF's tests, it should actually be more than 6x. So yeah, there's a lot we don't know, and a lot of conjecture.
bitbydeath
Member
We don’t know for sure but it seems the most likely candidate and falls in line with the rumoured specs.
TLZ
Banned
Ready for this. Anything more is a bonus for me.Xbox is a stronger overall but PS5 will have a faster SSD.
I think anyhow
CuriousToe
Member
I am expecting XSX to be more powerful. However I have noticed that since X1X released, there is a ton of commentary like 'can't wait to play this on my X1X'. It's a bit cringey, and for that reason alone, I wouldn't mind seeing Sony take the edge.
But again, I expect XSX to take the power crown this time around.
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TLZ
Banned
Just ignore him altogether.
StreetsofBeige
Gold Member
I'm expecting both to be similar in power. And that's solely guessing as an outsider, and AMD not rocking the boat with two systems of huge varying power. Nothing more.
The only problem with that is the so-called insiders aren't being specific. Every one that says PS5 is around the same power (give or take) has provided zero proof or even an attempt at specs.
The only specific info we have is github/Oberon spec leaks which haven't really changed for a year..... that pool of insiders have stuck to 36cu/9.2TF since the beginning.
So for any insider doubting 9.2TF, that's fine. Call it lies or outdated if you want, but at least there is some info to work with. The counter side hasn't provided any concrete info themselves aside from vague statements of a bit more or worse than Series X.
The only problem with that is the so-called insiders aren't being specific. Every one that says PS5 is around the same power (give or take) has provided zero proof or even an attempt at specs.
The only specific info we have is github/Oberon spec leaks which haven't really changed for a year..... that pool of insiders have stuck to 36cu/9.2TF since the beginning.
So for any insider doubting 9.2TF, that's fine. Call it lies or outdated if you want, but at least there is some info to work with. The counter side hasn't provided any concrete info themselves aside from vague statements of a bit more or worse than Series X.
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SenjutsuSage
Banned
It won't be.
Xbox is a stronger overall but PS5 will have a faster SSD.
I think anyhow
I use to believe this also, but I now greatly doubt it as of late.
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Gavin Stevens
Formerly 'o'dium'
If SX isn’t as powerful as PS5, then why the hell bother in the first place with the tripe that is lockheart?
I just can’t see it not being the most powerful, it wouldn’t make sense. Large form factor, not as powerful AND more expensive? May as well just throw in the towel now.
I just can’t see it not being the most powerful, it wouldn’t make sense. Large form factor, not as powerful AND more expensive? May as well just throw in the towel now.
StreetsofBeige
Gold Member
I think the potential is there for PS5 being most powerful due to the rumour that PS5 was supposed to be a 2019 system. MS would then come in 2020 with Lockhart and Series X sandwiching PS5.
But if the rumour is true Sony ditched the old plan (9.2TF Oberon stuff) and revamped PS5 with better specs, then the possibility is there for it to be better. If that happens, the pricing for both will be similar at probably $500. If both systems are around 12TF or so, I don't see how PS5 can be $400 which is what Sony likes to launch their PS4 and PS4 Pro systems at.
Then again, I'm just regurgitating what other people say. Some people say if PS5 was supposed to launch in 2019 at whatever spec config, there's no way for them to re-do everything and come out with a new PS5 system a year later.
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RaySoft
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Keep it cool fellow PlayStation believers. Let the naysaiers have their "sapotlight". We know that Sony ain't gonna dissapoint! The boxes are gonna be close.. So the differential factor will be the talent.... And we all know who has that in spades Let's wait for reveal... Even if we end up a TF or two too short, WE know that the games WE'LL be playing are TOP-NOTCH anyways... Let's rather celebrate the fact that MS can at least be a serious contenter to Sony... We will ALL benefit in the end
Let's wait for reveal... Even if we end up a TF or two too short, WE know that the games WE'LL be playing are TOP-NOTCH anyways... Let's rather celebrate the fact that MS can at least be a serious contenter to Sony... We will ALL benefit in the end
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bitbydeath
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If PS5 was releasing last year then Last of Us 2 and Ghosts would have been PS5 only titles. They would also have a bunch of games sitting around waiting an entire year to launch or had no games available for it.
I don’t think PS5 was ever planned for 2019.
Tarkus98
Member
Yeah, that’s kinda where I’m at as well. If the PS5 was in fact supposed to come out in 2019 a lot of people say there is no way to ditch a design in one year and redo everything. In my head I keep thinking an overclocked Frankenstein Navi 10 with RT and VRS bolted on.
Luckily I have never believed the ps5 was a 2019 anyway so I am in the balls out camp with the PS5 being right up there with Microsoft’s consoles in terms of Tflops.
Hopefully we’ll know something more certain in a few weeks. Some people here are really becoming unbalanced lol
Luckily I have never believed the ps5 was a 2019 anyway so I am in the balls out camp with the PS5 being right up there with Microsoft’s consoles in terms of Tflops.
Hopefully we’ll know something more certain in a few weeks. Some people here are really becoming unbalanced lol
StreetsofBeige
Gold Member
Not necessarily.
If PS5 did come out last year, then Ghosts, Dreams and LoU 2 would be near launch games coming out in 2020. A PS4 version would be released too.
But with PS5 coming out in 2020 after those games come out, perception shows it like they are up-ports when really they were not originally planned that way.
Gediminas
Banned
that is my point, never ever i saw that PS4 owner brag about PS4 power over xbox, the main discussion was always about the games, yet, when xbox X got released, xbox owners just never stopped to brag about the power. i got tired pretty fast because all gaming site was filed with these losers. so i wish that PS5 is slightly more powerful and we get to discuss about the games more.
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bitbydeath
Member
It still means no PS5 launch titles would have been ready. I think that rumour can be safely debunked.
Hawking Radiation
Member
No lol.
Why do people create these elaborate designs that heavily favor form over function.
You look at Xbox Series X and immediately you can see the console is geared towards function. Functional cooling to help the extreme performance these next consoles are designed for.
You look at these concept designs of PS5 and none of them look like they're anywhere near thermal efficient of functional for supposedly extremely powerful machines.
For once cant someone atleast come up with a concept console design that fucking makes sense in terms of proper, efficient cooling. A design that favours function over form.
All I see plastered everywhere are these unrealistic alienware concept rejects.
Roberts
Member
That is not true unless you mean here on GAF (I wasn't around before X came out so I have no clue what and how was discussed here). As a day one Xbox One owner, that's pretty much all I had to read way back in 2013-2017.
it_wasn't_me
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Is it?
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RaySoft
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Jeez... keep the cool ppl.. Those Oberon leaks were just Sonys attempt to keep all devs as close to the real thing as possible. Keep in mind that RDNA2 is spanking new tech, and NOT available when those APU/GPU specs got leaked. It's just Sony trying to keep devs as close to final specs as possible.. hence the high cloks on the GPU.. .That's just for the dev units. Come this February, we WILL get more info. Hold you head held high peeps..cause Cerny won't dissapointYeah, that’s kinda where I’m at as well. If the PS5 was in fact supposed to come out in 2019 a lot of people say there is no way to ditch a design in one year and redo everything. In my head I keep thinking an overclocked Frankenstein Navi 10 with RT and VRS bolted on.
Luckily I have never believed the ps5 was a 2019 anyway so I am in the balls out camp with the PS5 being right up there with Microsoft’s consoles in terms of Tflops.
Hopefully we’ll know something more certain in a few weeks. Some people here are really becoming unbalanced lol
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DeepEnigma
Gold Member
So... I spent my afternoon doing this.
Does it look any good?
I like it! Very sleek and still has the PlayStation family aesthetics.
Not sure if the final will be as thin however with the power they will be pushing, but I would like it to be.
DeepEnigma
Gold Member
Darklor01
Might need to stop sniffing glue
Jeez... keep the cool ppl.. Those Oberon leaks were just Sonys attempt to keep all devs as close to the real thing as possible. Keep in mind that RDNA2 is spanking new tech, and NOT available when those APU/GPU specs got leaked. It's just Sony trying to keep devs as close to final specs as possible.. hence the high cloks on the GPU.. .That's just for the dev units. Come this February, we WILL get more info. Hold you head held high peeps..cause Cerny won't dissapoint
I’m sorry, I can’t keep track. Are you an “insider”?
Ellery
Member
Same. I expect the Xbox Series X to be more powerful (If I had to guess around 1-3 TFLOPs). I mean that thing looks like a PC and my gut tells me Phil Spencer drove the money vehicle straight to Lisa Su's office.
For the PS5 I expect a more "singular" rounder product. More a normal traditional Playstation console.
The funny thing actually is that this is exactly what happened in 2013. The 399$ 1.8 TFLOPs PS4 was nearly 40% faster than the 1.3 TFLOPs Xbox One which released for 499$ (with the amazing kinect).
People in 2020 would go WILD if that happened again (or the other way around for that matter). Just imagine if the PS5 is 10TF and the XBX 14TF or XBX 10TF and PS5 14TF. Especially at a price difference in favor of the stronger console!
Microsoft just can't afford to release a weaker console. The only disadvantage Sony has is the ( https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Law_of_the_handicap_of_a_head_start ). Some people would label this as "arrogant Sony", but in reality it is often the underdog, in this case Microsoft, that has to do the extra work. Same as AMD did with Ryzen basically.
The only thing that would be disappointing for XBX buyers then would be the knowledge of having to the best hardware, but having to wait for actual XBX exclusive games 2 additional years.
It is quite funny to read. Especially when random leaks appear that are like 120% wrong but some people try to mental gymanstics as hard as they can to fool themselves into believing those.
I don't quite remember what the most outlandish leaks out there are/were, but 16.8 TFLOPs/18 TFLOPs or leaks where people suggest they have insight about 30+ titles that come out in the near future from 20 different developers/studios including GTA 6 being a launch exclusive title for the PS5. Some people try to make sense of them with a lot of "if" and "when" and "could".
Not like it hasn't happened to me too. There were some leaks (more about games though) that I would have loved to be true, but as far as consoles go I just love the ride on the very conservative side of things.
The main reason why I think basically all leaks can be dismissed easily is because they say things that they think other thirsty enthusiasts who wait for consoles want to read. There needs to be some disappointment in leaks and some completely "out of nowhere" stuff that we have never heard of before. Something that is slightly bizarre, but seems to be the "next step"/"makes sense" in a way.
For me the whole circus around it is definitely enjoyable (besides those with zero knowledge that scream too loud and are actually engaging in a console war on a personal matter like it means life or death) and some sort of joy/thrill of anticipation. In a way many people want to know how their estimations turn out to be and how they are going to deal with that. Not going to be a good day for the 16 and 18TF crowd !
StreetsofBeige
Gold Member
I enjoy it too. A true laugh.
It's like trade rumours. You get sports guys who claim players are getting traded and the actual success rate isn't even 50%.
Or you go on forums and see users post hilarious what-if scenarios like:
Here's my fair trade. What do you guys think?
Zach Hyman and Marincin and a 2nd round pick for Sidney Crosby. Pens get a forward back, a dman and even a draft pick. Sounds good to me.
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TGO
Hype Train conductor. Works harder than it steams.
But that's assuming MS is making two skus based around the PS5's specs.
Which they wouldn't know
RaySoft
Member
Nope, sry... I'm just a guy that's been around for most console launches during the years. I have a feeling that this gen. is going to be rly great wheather your're an x- or Sony bot.
thismeinteil
Member
Something that I have been pondering, but haven't been able to come up with a really good answer on is what policy/feature is MS implementing with the XBSX that requires them to put this notice in all of their ads for it.
"*The availability and sale of Xbox Series X is subject to required regulatory approval(s) in your jurisdiction. "
"*The availability and sale of Xbox Series X is subject to required regulatory approval(s) in your jurisdiction. "
SlimySnake
Flashless at the Golden Globes
Panello on era seemed pretty certain Sony was going with a $399 8 tflops console. this was around e3 last year. the first leak of the year that listed the lockhart and the anaconda at 4 and 12 tflops each also listed the ps5 at 8 tflops and $399. wouldnt be surprised if panelo and MS got wind of the github leaks way before even komachi. looking back, that leak almost looks like a controlled leak.
you really have to wonder why timdog and other random internet posters were so sure about the ps5 being 8 tflops. timdog is still certain that everyone will be proven wrong. MS had the same cocksure attitude at e3 2018 when they said they would set the bar for console gaming. that kind of certainty only comes if you know your competitor's specs.
andrew reiner leaking that ps5 was stronger made MS peddleback and say its the most powerful console they have ever built. however, phil and matt booty no longer seem uncertain and have gone back to saying they are about to set the bar for console performance at the game awards, and telling gamestop they believe they will have the most powerful console.
pretty sure both sony and ms know each other's specs by now. i just dont for a second believe that sony is all the way at 8. they are likely both around 11-12 tflops barring some clock adjustments.
Neofire
Member
I still think after looking at everything from all angles from Sony talking only about features and Microsoft touting power, I think the ps5 is indeed 9.2-10TFs and the XSX being around 12TF.
Sony hasn't even so much as mentioned anything about power, only speed and "unique" features. The question is will it be enough.
Performance and power can't be blatantly ignored in place of a few features. The thought of games instantly loading is awesome don't get me wrong but it's not going to carry Sony 5-7 years when next Gen starts. Especially seeing that they are giving up exclusives as well.
Sony hasn't even so much as mentioned anything about power, only speed and "unique" features. The question is will it be enough.
Performance and power can't be blatantly ignored in place of a few features. The thought of games instantly loading is awesome don't get me wrong but it's not going to carry Sony 5-7 years when next Gen starts. Especially seeing that they are giving up exclusives as well.
Darklor01
Might need to stop sniffing glue
Ive been around since Atari 2600. I’ve enjoyed every single gen. Each one has brought something new to the table so far. I don’t know how much innovation the upcoming one will bring, but I think we will see some really amazing things in graphics, physics, lighting and sound.
DeepEnigma
Gold Member
Sony did the same last gen until the spec reveals.
MS loves to talk.
Neither means anything about one another.
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StreetsofBeige
Gold Member
Maybe I missed it, but I don't know where 8TF comes from.
If anyone is making a stand on leaked specs, it would be 9.2TF based on all that Oberon stuff.
demigod
Member
It’s because MS likes to console war. One X slogan was world’s most powerful console, then their fans started using it because MS has no first party game that’s on par against Sony’s.
Andodalf
Banned
Many of the early Next gen leaks said 8TF, and if one assumes that PS5 won't actually hit 2kMHz then it looks to be 8.X TF
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Neofire
Member
We will find out soon.
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