Lunatic_Gamer
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PS5 and Xbox Series X will avoid US price hike over Trump's China trade tariff
Might not need to save quite so many pennies
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Hawking Radiation
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CJY
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Percentages don't work like you think they do.
Self High Five
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Dude, they are literally saying they will have the best next gen console. And have been doing so since E3 2019.
Introducing the new Xbox consoles | Xbox
Experience the power of Xbox Series X or go all-digital with the Xbox Series S.www.xbox.com
Project Scarlett: Introducing Xbox Series X
Project Scarlett will set a new bar for console power, speed and performance, arriving Holiday 2020 alongside Halo Infinite. With a custom-designed AMD processor, high bandwidth GDDR6 memory, and a next generation solid state drive (SSD), Project Scarlett will give developers the power they need to bring their creative visions to life. Thousands of games across four console generations will look and play best on Project Scarlett.
I think you have a different definition of literally as none of that was stated in your link.
Here's what MS have said (from a little known source called xbox.com): "Xbox Series X will be our fastest, most powerful console ever...". Keyword "our".
In other PR they have also stopped short at 'most powerful'. More or less they're hedging their bets based on where they fall on the power spectrum.
tl/dr version....PR is gonna PR
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schaft0620
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Not on a Saturday but, there is a private event on that Monday now though that was added.
JLB
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Xbox Series X launch price rumored at $499, again
At $499, the Xbox Series X would offer beast level performance for console gamers.www.tweaktown.com
lol at the source, prob just another instance of gaf->inet->gaf
Mr Moose
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VFXVeteran
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It goes along with my friend telling me between 1080 - 1080Ti.. I'm thinking on the low side now (~1080). Also might be one of the reasons why some 1st party games are being released on PC. But that's just my gut feeling.
demigod
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What if invites go out on the 5th and event is on the 24th?
jasondefaoite
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What’s the link between the power of the console and first party games appearing on PC? Why would the power of the console matter?
VFXVeteran
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I wouldn't bank on a mid-gen. Just because this one had it doesn't mean they'll go through the process of making another mid-gen. Also, even if they did.. I don't think it'll be worth another purchase.
VFXVeteran
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I feel like the dev companies are frustrated (I've actually had one Producer of a very popular gaming studio) that there isn't one platform. I also get the feeling that devs are getting the small end of the stick in terms of power each generation to show off their real potential. Maybe the decision to start releasing to PC was decided when they played with the devkits and realized they wouldn't be as strong (yet again) as they had hoped. Nvidia is killing it with the GPUs.. Let's just be honest. If they keep releasing a new board every 2yrs with 50% more improvement, by the next console generation, the consoles would be way too far behind. We are talking 7nm, then 5nm, then 3nm generations still to be produced by Nvidia.
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Lampiao
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1080 is about 8,3tf, 1080 TI about 11tf. It is not far from the Heisenberg's bird range. It may just be a matter of customization and optimization.
schaft0620
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If thats the event I am guessing we find out next week or over the next two days. I am still team Direct Style.
Gediminas
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oh, we have now a Feeling expert. nice. what next?
xPikYx
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Obviously, especially when these little boxes will come cheap like 399£ or 499£,Nvidia will smash them very badly just with the next gpu incoming generation Ampere. Just the Huang's statement "2080rtx mobile is more powerful than next gen consoles" has really worried me
darkinstinct
...lacks reading comprehension.
Private concerts and birthdays.
You really like to cover all bases without really saying anything. Of course midgen refreshes will happen again. TSMC plans for 3 nm in 2023. At that point we will get a slim version on the new node and an upgraded spec, because you can easily get 120 % additional performance at the same power consumption. Microsoft announced five years ago that they are going for an iterative approach vs traditional gens. Are you seriously saying it would not be worth it to buy a 24 TF console in 2023/2024 for $499?
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VFXVeteran
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If Sony/MS produce a 24TF console in 2023, I'll buy it for you.
How about that? The consoles aren't going to jump from 9-10TF to 24TF in 3yrs.. not going to happen..Since when has a new console been equipped with the absolute latest and greatest piece of silicon?
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Hawking Radiation
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How can you claim to have the best next gen console when you don't know what your competition has cooked up.Dude, they are literally saying they will have the best next gen console. And have been doing so since E3 2019.
Introducing the new Xbox consoles | Xbox
Experience the power of Xbox Series X or go all-digital with the Xbox Series S.
Project Scarlett: Introducing Xbox Series X
Project Scarlett will set a new bar for console power, speed and performance, arriving Holiday 2020 alongside Halo Infinite. With a custom-designed AMD processor, high bandwidth GDDR6 memory, and a next generation solid state drive (SSD), Project Scarlett will give developers the power they need to bring their creative visions to life. Thousands of games across four console generations will look and play best on Project Scarlett.
Lol you fell for their PR hook, line and sinker. Well done
Also is anyone going to verify user Imtjnotu ????
He claimed the PS meeting will take place on 29th Feb. Is this more psuedo insider fuckery going on or is this legit.
Do i curse the name Imtjnotu or do i kiss his feet.
Talk to me people
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Who said that the consoles will have "the absolute latest and greatest piece of silicon"?If Sony/MS produce a 24TF console in 2023, I'll buy it for you.
Since when has a new console been equipped with the absolute latest and greatest piece of silicon?
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darkinstinct
...lacks reading comprehension.
He already did a next. If you combine his last two posts he is saying that it makes a lot of sense to buy a new +50 % GPU every two years but a +120 % console every three years is not worth it. Also a big LOL at devs wanting just one platform and at the same time expanding from PS5 to PC, which is literally dozens of platforms in itself.
darkinstinct
...lacks reading comprehension.
Albert Penello said that Microsoft knew at this point in time where they were compared to PS4. It's not too hard to assume the same thing happening again.
DeepEnigma
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They “spent 4 months crunching numbers and did the math”...
It doesn’t take 4 months to do 6*2.
I would love to be pleasantly surprised, but still very happy if just in the 9-10 range RDNA with the CPU, SSD, and many other upgrades.
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darkinstinct
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Look, it's simple. If you can put a 12 TF APU on 400 mm^2 on 7 nm in 2020 you can put a 24 TF APU on 400 mm^2 in 2023/2024 - and it will cost exactly the same. Of course this jump will happen. That's simple logic.If Sony/MS produce a 24TF console in 2023, I'll buy it for you.
Since when has a new console been equipped with the absolute latest and greatest piece of silicon?
VFXVeteran
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You are confusing my statement with percentages instead of direct comparisons. I'm strictly comparing the highest end GPU vs. a console's GPU. And I'm speaking about a developer (who can afford a high end GPU to develop on) not a consumer.
And your comment about 'dozens' of platforms is incorrect as far as a developer goes. The 'open' GPUs have to adhere to a spec (i.e. DX or Vulkan, etc..) where a console doesn't necessarily have to.
VFXVeteran
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OK. Let's wait for 2023. I hope to still be around when the mid-gen 24TF consoles come out.
CuriousToe
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Oh hey. VFX is back and the discussion is about PC versus Console technology again. Welcome back, you've been a great contributor to this thread and I look forward to hearing more about why PCs are the bees knees in the next gen console speculation thread.
demigod
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MS went from raising the bar with “next gen console” like scorpio at E3 2018 to making the most powerful “xbox” ever at TGA 2019. That tells me they don’t have the power edge or they are not exactly sure if they do.
demigod
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Yeah i’m not sure why he isn’t banned yet from this thread, people probably not reporting him.
VFXVeteran
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Why would I be banned from this thread? I gave an impression based on a conversation from a game dev.
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mitchman
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Except for the 8GB of GDDR memory the PS4 announced, that was the big surprise for them.
LED Guy?
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Guys, here's why I do not think that "crazy birdie source" that
HeisenbergFX4
has been talking about is true, because he said that the Xbox Series X is gonna be a 9.5 to a 10 TF which is very wrong considering the SoC chip that we have seen and measured by Digital Foundry and other tech websites, why would Microsoft make a console looking like a PC tower with that HUGE chip only to clock it VERY LOW to hit 9.5 TF?
It just doesn't make any sense whatsoever, and does NOT line up with what Jason Schreier, Matt and Kleegamefan have been saying about the capabilities of both next-gen consoles.
- Jason said that both MS/Sony are targeting on beating Stadia's 10.7 TF NUMBER, no RDNA conversion or any of that, the NUMBER alone.
- Kleegamefan said that he has the specs sheet before he banned himself and denied the Oberon 9.2 TF leak and finally said that nothing has changed and XSX is a bit above 12 TF with the PS5 having the GPU advantage by a very small gap.
- Matt, a moderator at that website has also denied the Oberon 9.2 TF leak.
- Jason Schreier also said both consoles are more powerful than RTX 2080 which easily puts them from 11 TF and up.
About that Oberon leak, it just doesn't make sense that a console would have the same amount of CUs as the PS4 Pro clocked at 2000 MHz, IN A CONSOLE, that would immediately fry up the console, it would be the next Xbox 360 RROD or even worse, even some desktop PCs struggle to maintain that and some believe that it will land on consoles.
HeisenbergFX4
has been talking about is true, because he said that the Xbox Series X is gonna be a 9.5 to a 10 TF which is very wrong considering the SoC chip that we have seen and measured by Digital Foundry and other tech websites, why would Microsoft make a console looking like a PC tower with that HUGE chip only to clock it VERY LOW to hit 9.5 TF?It just doesn't make any sense whatsoever, and does NOT line up with what Jason Schreier, Matt and Kleegamefan have been saying about the capabilities of both next-gen consoles.
- Jason said that both MS/Sony are targeting on beating Stadia's 10.7 TF NUMBER, no RDNA conversion or any of that, the NUMBER alone.
- Kleegamefan said that he has the specs sheet before he banned himself and denied the Oberon 9.2 TF leak and finally said that nothing has changed and XSX is a bit above 12 TF with the PS5 having the GPU advantage by a very small gap.
- Matt, a moderator at that website has also denied the Oberon 9.2 TF leak.
- Jason Schreier also said both consoles are more powerful than RTX 2080 which easily puts them from 11 TF and up.
About that Oberon leak, it just doesn't make sense that a console would have the same amount of CUs as the PS4 Pro clocked at 2000 MHz, IN A CONSOLE, that would immediately fry up the console, it would be the next Xbox 360 RROD or even worse, even some desktop PCs struggle to maintain that and some believe that it will land on consoles.
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darkinstinct
...lacks reading comprehension.
Are you actually trying to say that it is easier to support PC than console? Cause that's crazy. The number of different graphics drivers alone that people use is enormous. Add HDDs and SSDs of varying speeds, cards from 3 GB to 11 GB of RAM, different RAM latencies, different network adapters, different everything. And you think "they just have to support DX"?
demigod
Member
You keep derailing the thread with pc master race.
Roronoa Zoro
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Well hey they went from under 2tf to 6tf this genIf Sony/MS produce a 24TF console in 2023, I'll buy it for you.
Since when has a new console been equipped with the absolute latest and greatest piece of silicon?
VFXVeteran
Banned
I'm saying that factually - all games are developed on PC anyway. I'm saying that what I've heard is that devs would prefer one platform to develop on and preferably the most powerful one. Supporting the PC is not as complicated as you make it sound. Sure there are some PC setups that can be problematic, but that's always been the case for years.
VFXVeteran
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Not at all. Reread the conversation when I first made a comment today and go from there. You guys are getting defensive for no reason. I read a few pages back where someone actually compared the TF number to a PC GPU. There was no stirring of the hornets nest then.
It's quite obvious that people want more power for the next gen console. I get that. But hearing about a number shouldn't be the basis for measuring it up against a PC (which has been brought up) unless it's used as a measuring tool. I only mention the PC to give you guys a metric by which to measure performance and/or the addition of graphics features. It's a great agnostic platform by which to imagine how games would look with the TF number. I don't see any harm in comparing the two for those purposes.
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VFXVeteran
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The one I talked to was multiplatform. The other was 1st party but they like the power and have even stated as such in an interview (if you really look for it)..
And no, they don't talk about the sales. I think streaming is being looked at a lot. In my opinion, I see PC getting more and more support from all developers - 1st and 3rd. It will be interesting to see how this all pans out in the next 10yrs.
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darkinstinct
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Jason is not a credible source when it comes to hardware. Especially regarding beating Stadia. At the time both console APUs were designed they would not have known what Stadia wanted to do - not how powerful it would be, not its architecture. There was no way for them to target to beat Stadia specs.Guys, here's why I do not think that "crazy birdie source" that
It just doesn't make any sense whatsoever, and does NOT line up with what Jason Schreier, Matt and Kleegamefan have been saying about the capabilities of both next-gen consoles.
- Jason said that both MS/Sony are targeting on beating Stadia's 10.7 TF NUMBER, no RDNA conversion or any of that, the NUMBER alone.
- Kleegamefan said that he has the specs sheet before he banned himself and denied the Oberon 9.2 TF leak and finally said that nothing has changed and XSX is a bit above 12 TF with the PS5 having the GPU advantage by a very small gap.
- Matt, a moderator at that website has also denied the Oberon 9.2 TF leak.
- Jason Schreier also said both consoles are more powerful than RTX 2080 which easily puts them from 11 TF and up.
About that Oberon leak, it just doesn't make sense that a console would have the same amount of CUs as the PS4 Pro clocked at 2000 MHz, IN A CONSOLE, that would immediately fry up the console, it would be the next Xbox 360 RROD or even worse, even some desktop PCs struggle to maintain that and some believe that it will land on consoles.
Now I can see how Sony wanted to beat Stadia, which would explain clocking from 8 TF to 9.2 TF around the time of the Stadia reveal. With efficiency gains that puts them ahead of Stadia. But it was a BS comparison because Stadia uses Linux and will always suffer from that.
Matt is just a dev. He's not even under NDA, so he probably doesn't know a whole lot. He just likes to pretend he does, same thing he did when he was posting here before the other site.
Klee has provided so much conflicting info that he can't be taken serious anymore. Like the Lockhart stuff. Like both consoles being close and 10+ TF (he specifically said Oberon APU, which we now know is 9.2 TF). Like describing in detail the game his friend showed him - which would make it easy to track him down - but unable to tell a number from a spec sheet because that number would track his friend down. Seriously? So you can't say PS5 is 12.6 TF because that could be tracked? Then just say it is 12.55, who cares? Plus that would mean that Sony gave each dev a different target spec above 12 TF to be able to track leaks. That's so stupid. Klee realized that when he got pressured to say the number and banned himself.
In my book, if somebody gets major points wrong a couple of times, they are not a credible source.
darkinstinct
...lacks reading comprehension.
Hellblade. Mara. Halo Infinite. Godfall. What do you mean with first?
VFXVeteran
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I think he means that aside from cinematics, we haven't really seen any mind blowing in-game graphics.
I think developers want a closed platform to minimize piracy, the spontaneous purchase (mobile micro transactions, subscriptions), and esase of developing games (closed platform with few variables like configurations and updated software). That's why the majority of gaming revenue has pretty much been in consoles and mobile. Streaming probably will be a big player in this but not for awhile since it isnt like watching a movie since your input and satisfactory response to that input plays a huge role in gaming.
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Mass Shift
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It's interesting when you line it all up this way. It's really amazing how everything has flipped around because discussions around Oberon sound eerily similar to the kind of talk and speculation that people had about Durango before MS' reveal.
xPikYx
Member
First reliable, hellblade2 is a proper jump but "in engine" is not reliable, godfall looks terrible and current gen, project mara quite "???" and Halo infinite not the jump I was expecting
Norse
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With PCs, do devs ever really get better at squeezing out everything PCs can handle? I mean consoles are the same for a long time and devs get better at mastering the power in each. Games get better each yr in a consoles life. Performance wise anyway. I don't think you can say the same for PCs as they change too often. PC gaming devs can be less innovative as more powerful CPU and GPU come out every year. The machines just muscle the same code. The coding doesn't necessarily evolve as fast compared to consoles.The one I talked to was multiplatform. The other was 1st party but they like the power and have even stated as such in an interview (if you really look for it)..
I think streaming is being looked at a lot. In my opinion, I see PC getting more and more support from all developers - 1st and 3rd. It will be interesting to see how this all pans out in the next 10yrs.
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