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Next-Gen PS5 & XSX |OT| Console tEch threaD

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Norse

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So, let me get this straight....XSX games will be held back due to xbox one, yet PS5 games wont be effected at all? Even with the 100 million ps4's out in the wild? HORSE SH!T!!!

There's a few posters in this thread that continue to spew this bullshit day in, and day out. Pull your heads out!

You think 3rd party multiplats are going to ignore those 100 million ps4's so they can give new ps5 owners the best next gen experience? Yeah right. You're all delusional.
 
splattered

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Mod of War said:
Dial it back on the fanaticism in here trooper. This adds nothing to the conversation other than to start petty arguments.

All parties have people in them that are guilty of this.
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I agree. Both parties are guilty of this.

We're up to what.. 887 pages of petty arguments?

Though I've been on this forum a very long time now and 90% of the time I really only see "team green" or neutral people getting banned or removed.

We have several people on here that I respectfully won't call out directly that hive mind together and suppress anything positive about xbox or microsoft and gloat about every little thing Sony does.

Rarely ever a word said to any of them.

Just an observation from a long time forum member :)

And for the record as I've said before, I game on all boxes I just dont care for certain people's attitudes on here, it's almost as bad as twitter sometimes.

Not looking to get banned at all but that's your call.
 
Rightisright

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o'dium said:
Phil was working at MS in other capacities including design and programming before this role.

Also, we are talking about the same Cerny who said Ps3 was 2tf right? The same guy?

Nobody is infallible, nobody. Cerny has zero personality and comes off a bit creepy, but knows his tech. He just over sells it. Phil doesn’t know tech like Cerny but is much more face friendly, however he too likes to over promise.

They BOTH have flaws. But Phil took over a complete shit tip from Xbox last gen, so give him some credit, however small.
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Exactly.
 
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HeisenbergFX4 said:
In fact I do one I shared with @Mod of War and one I could not.

Only my birdie is in the 9.5ish camp the other people I have talked to are all 11+ for both consoles.

And even though newer DKs have been sent I am still staying in the XsX with an overall power edge.


*Edit - Not ducking other questions just have somewhere to be, will try to catch up when I return.
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HeisenbergFX4 said:
The general thought is we are indeed getting one more Wired article as I had it put to me "they have one more story to tell."

Getting the vibe more and more we may never get a full on spec reveal prior to launch on both systems as neither company wants to talk teraflops this gen.

Expect to hear more of this over 2 times the power of the current PS4 Pro type of talk vs getting actual numbers.

And most of this is from my crazy birdie whispers who told me weeks ago he didn't see a Feb reveal possibly just a State of Play in Feb showing the box.

Afternoon guesses and all.
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You are literally covering every possible scenario & not committing to anything.

Could be 9, or could be 11+

Could have more Wired articles, could have a state of play instead of live presentation meeting (way to go out on a limb when it is now past feb 6th)

Sorry, this is all smelling like bullshit. How would you possibly have sources to know if Sony is going to proceed with more Wired articles, their reveal plans (potential state of play), future PR on how to reveal details of their specs AND know both numbers for XSX & PS5?

A third party dev? They wouldn't be privy to Sony's reveal plan road map. Media Journalists? Even Jason from Kotaku doesn't know their plans as of yet? Someone higher up from Sony? How much more knowledge would they know about MS plans as opposed to sources well connected like Windows Central?

Fact is it's impossible to have sources privy to all of this. Even the fact that you're getting different tflop numbers should be throwing you off. Target specs are fixed. If your sources are giving you different numbers you should be immediately be questioning them. A third party dev in the UK vs in the USA are going to have the same target spec sheets for both systems. Unless you're getting 3rd, 4th or 5th hand information, which would mean it doesn't mean much to begin with.
 
B_Boss

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ThaMonkeyClaw said:
Not always true, I have had a ton of systems over my lifetime, I had NES and Super NES and later I bought a 3DO and then a Sega Saturn (worst console purchase ever) and every since the breakup of Nintendo and Sony over the Super NES CD-ROM I read that Sony was coming out with their own console which I started drooling over and ended up getting Day 1. I also owned the Sega Dreamcast (one of my favorite systems, way underrated!) and then PS2, Gamecube and Xbox (original) then PS3 (was going to get a Xbox360 but the RROD scared me off) and now PS4 and Nintendo Switch. The only reason I haven't gone forward with both consoles now is that I wanted to concentrate on one system which would allow for more games and my game library is 100% digitally now and going forward the reason I am sticking with Sony (even it if it is slower) is because of the BC of my existing library and the fact that I feel Sony has really delivered on the first party games compared to Microsoft. I also like the controller layout of the Playstation series versus the layout of the Xbox, I could never get use to their stick layout. I have nothing against the Xbox consoles, just Sony consoles have fit me better in what I am looking for game-wise.
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How was the Saturn your worst console purchase ever? It is one of the best consoles imho and it’s selection of games was/is incredible.
 
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MrJekyll16

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Norse said:
So, let me get this straight....XSX games will be held back due to xbox one, yet PS5 games wont be effected at all? Even with the 100 million ps4's out in the wild? HORSE SH!T!!!

There's a few posters in this thread that continue to spew this bullshit day in, and day out. Pull your heads out!

You think 3rd party multiplats are going to ignore those 100 million ps4's so they can give new ps5 owners the best next gen experience? Yeah right. You're all delusional.
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Although I think the whole conversation is a bit overblown, the concern that people have are fair imo. Even the guys at Digital Foundry have some concerns about this. And to be clear, people are talking about Xbox exclusives, not 3rd party games.
 
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Ellery

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gatti-man said:
Man I really hope ps5 is more than 9TF. That’s really disappointing. Double the pro is still not enough to make next gen graphics plus UHD resolutions (my opinion). I want more than current gen games at solid frame rates in UHD.
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With these kind of posts I never know if people are genuinely misinformed and clueless about how things works (especially comparing TF between different architectures) or if they are just trolling and hoping to fuel a fire in a future console war between meaningless TF comparison when specifications are revealed.
 
Stuart360

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All this cross game support talk, when in reality multiplatform games will be doing it for a couple of years (like with the start if this gen), and in regards to 2 years of first party game supporting XB1, what are we talking about?, 8 games, 9?, maybe 10 games tops?.
 
Rightisright

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darkinstinct said:
There is no RDNA2. There is Next-gen RDNA, which is exactly the same wording that AMD used at their press conference to describe the Xbox APU. Which is also what has "specific raytraced lighting effects". Which is also what was leaked months ago as Navi21 (while the Oberon APU was leaked as Navi10). People also like to refer to Navi21 as "Big Navi", the unannounced PC GPUs based on it. There's also Jez Corden saying "there's a reason why devkits for PS5 came much earlier than for XSX". That reason could very well be that Xbox is using Navi21, the architecture had its tapeout in September and is using 7nm+. XSX could have a chiplet design of 7nm Zen2 with 7nm+ Navi21.
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I have seen this said about Next Gen RDNA, and I hope it's true, but on the AMD slide the Next Generation part wasnt in "" like the first two were, meaning to me that it wasn't named "Next Generation" but was just place holding for it.
 
B_Boss

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hemo memo said:
Confident? That they showed the logo, remained silent just to launch a PS5 page saying they are not ready? That’s confidence?
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It isn’t necessarily a lack of confidence or has to be interpreted as such...it could go both ways but I’d wager Sony isn’t too worried, while I could be wrong.
 
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splattered

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ElleryJamesRoberts said:
With these kind of posts I never know if people are genuinely misinformed and clueless about how things works (especially comparing TF between different architectures) or if they are just trolling and hoping to fuel a fire in a future console war between meaningless TF comparison when specifications are revealed.
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That's why I said I wonder if they will stick to "over twice as powerful" without focusing on actual TR numbers. Not twice as, but OVER twice as. Technically they wouldn't be lying and it still sounds good to the average consumer.

MS also did this saying twice the performance and 4x more powerful (cpu) as the Xbox One X but then they also havent bothered to dispute all the 12tf articles flying around so who knows.
 
TLZ

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HeisenbergFX4 said:
This is the one guy who is in the 9.5ish camp.
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I'm going to go with this camp to play it safe. Saying neither want to boast TF numbers and just vague 2-3x power of last gen means numbers aren't 12+ to me, else they'd have boasted. Going to stick with 9.5 and 10.x rdna for now.

Those are good numbers compared to GCN imo. Couple that with other great advances like excellent CPU, super fast SSD, and more unannounced stuff and we should have great machines.

And as I said before, any more TFs is a great bonus for me.

For the love of God though reveal the box already! :messenger_downcast_sweat:
 
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Neo Blaster

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Norse said:
So, let me get this straight....XSX games will be held back due to xbox one, yet PS5 games wont be effected at all? Even with the 100 million ps4's out in the wild? HORSE SH!T!!!

There's a few posters in this thread that continue to spew this bullshit day in, and day out. Pull your heads out!

You think 3rd party multiplats are going to ignore those 100 million ps4's so they can give new ps5 owners the best next gen experience? Yeah right. You're all delusional.
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Dude, multiplats will always be affected by the lowest common denominator, even after no more crossgens are produced. What you seem to forget are Sony's first party studios, PS5 exclusives from them is a safe bet and a sure blast graphically speaking.
 
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Ellery

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splattered said:
That's why I said I wonder if they will stick to "over twice as powerful" without focusing on actual TR numbers. Not twice as, but OVER twice as. Technically they wouldn't be lying and it still sounds good to the average consumer.

MS also did this saying twice the performance and 4x more powerful (cpu) as the Xbox One X but then they also havent bothered to dispute all the 12tf articles flying around so who knows.
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Yeah I wonder if that is where the 12TF rumor comes from.

I have a weird feeling that people are not appreciating how much of a jump next gen consoles are going to be.

- Finally an amazing CPU. Zen2 just rocks
- Super fast SSD are going to be an absolute game changer
- Dedicated Hardware Raytracing
- Even an 8TF RDNA GPU would be an INSANE jump over current gen.

Even the worst (most pessimistic) speculation and assumptions are making me drool for next gen. Sadly a lot of people are just reducing an entire console to a random number they have no idea what it even means.

I think people are not quite ready and especially the people that only play on consoles will be absolutely blown away by next gen loading times, Ray Tracing and graphics.
 
sonomamashine

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TLZ said:
I'm going to go with this camp to play it safe. Saying neither want to boast TF numbers and just vague 2-3x power of last gen means numbers aren't 12+ to me, else they'd have boasted. Going to stick with 9.5 and 10.x rdna for now.

Those are good numbers compared to GCN imo. Couple that with other great advances like excellent CPU, super fast SSD, and more unannounced stuff and we should have great machines.

And as I said before, any more TFs is a great bonus for me.

For the love of God though reveal the box already! :messenger_downcast_sweat:
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Wise decision, you're in the right camp.
 
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ElleryJamesRoberts said:
Yeah I wonder if that is where the 12TF rumor comes from.

I have a weird feeling that people are not appreciating how much of a jump next gen consoles are going to be.

- Finally an amazing CPU. Zen2 just rocks
- Super fast SSD are going to be an absolute game changer
- Dedicated Hardware Raytracing
- Even an 8TF RDNA GPU would be an INSANE jump over current gen.

Even the worst (most pessimistic) speculation and assumptions are making me drool for next gen. Sadly a lot of people are just reducing an entire console to a random number they have no idea what it even means.

I think people are not quite ready and especially the people that only play on consoles will be absolutely blown away by next gen loading times, Ray Tracing and graphics.
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I agree,once they see and play the first next gen games all this concern will end.
 
bitbydeath

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ElleryJamesRoberts said:
Yeah I wonder if that is where the 12TF rumor comes from.

I have a weird feeling that people are not appreciating how much of a jump next gen consoles are going to be.

- Finally an amazing CPU. Zen2 just rocks
- Super fast SSD are going to be an absolute game changer
- Dedicated Hardware Raytracing
- Even an 8TF RDNA GPU would be an INSANE jump over current gen.

Even the worst (most pessimistic) speculation and assumptions are making me drool for next gen. Sadly a lot of people are just reducing an entire console to a random number they have no idea what it even means.

I think people are not quite ready and especially the people that only play on consoles will be absolutely blown away by next gen loading times, Ray Tracing and graphics.
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If the SSD’s are as fast as they’re saying then that’s the real next-gen component. (For me at least.)
 
Vinex

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Here you go guys, shu dropped the bomb 🤣🤣🤣
 
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The TF number means nothing to me. The PS4 isn't even 2TF and I still love it. It's all about the games. 8TF is probably enough for me to be honest. I'll probably get a Lockhart if it has exclusives I want.
 
HeisenbergFX4

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TLZ said:
I'm going to go with this camp to play it safe. Saying neither want to boast TF numbers and just vague 2-3x power of last gen means numbers aren't 12+ to me, else they'd have boasted. Going to stick with 9.5 and 10.x rdna for now.

Those are good numbers compared to GCN imo. Couple that with other great advances like excellent CPU, super fast SSD, and more unannounced stuff and we should have great machines.

And as I said before, any more TFs is a great bonus for me.

For the love of God though reveal the box already! :messenger_downcast_sweat:
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I have officially joined this camp as of about 10 minutes ago of the PS5 being 9.5ish.
 
pawel86ck

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ElleryJamesRoberts said:
Yeah I wonder if that is where the 12TF rumor comes from.

I have a weird feeling that people are not appreciating how much of a jump next gen consoles are going to be.

- Finally an amazing CPU. Zen2 just rocks
- Super fast SSD are going to be an absolute game changer
- Dedicated Hardware Raytracing
- Even an 8TF RDNA GPU would be an INSANE jump over current gen.

Even the worst (most pessimistic) speculation and assumptions are making me drool for next gen. Sadly a lot of people are just reducing an entire console to a random number they have no idea what it even means.

I think people are not quite ready and especially the people that only play on consoles will be absolutely blown away by next gen loading times, Ray Tracing and graphics.
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Maybe I'm too old, but 4x more FLOPS looks unimpressive to me, and especially when we consider 4K require 4x more FLOPS compared to 1080p.

PS2 (EE + GS) = 6.2 GFLOPS while PS3 GPU alone was around 192 GFLOPS. 30x increase 😃

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thicc_girls_are_teh_best

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PS5 at PAX East?

Just popped up in my feed; high chance we might get some PS5 news there, maybe even a bit more, since it seems Sony will be an exhibitor at the event.

Dates are Feb 27th - March 5th. Could lead into a bigger reveal at GDC.

pawel86ck pawel86ck Moore's Law was much more in effect back then; it was relatively easy to get massive gains on silicon with the processes of the time. But it started slowing down even before PS3 came out, that's why they needed multi-core processors for example.

Nowadays gains are coming from squeezing the life out of node shrinks and architectural improvements, but there's only so far both can go with classical computing models and silicon.
 
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Bladed Thesis said:
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Vinex

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HeisenbergFX4 said:
I have officially joined this camp as of about 10 minutes ago of the PS5 being 9.5ish.
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If I were you then I would have asked my "sources" why are they giving me contradicting numbers...

1st source 9.2-10tf
2nd source +11tf

Anyone with common sense would ask these people "Why am I getting these contradicting numbers"

No offense to you but just trying to understand, it's a bit fishy one of these sources aren't giving you the real numbers.
 
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pawel86ck said:
Maybe I'm too old, but 4x more FLOPS looks unimpressive to me, and especially when we consider 4K require 4x more FLOPS compared to 1080p.

PS2 (EE + GS) = 6.2 GFLOPS while PS3 GPU alone was around 192 GFLOPS. 30x increase 😃

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Well 1.8TF>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 10TF is way bigger than 6.2 GFLOPS>192 GFLOPS
How much 186 GFLOPS fits inside of 8TF ?
No one was realistically expecting 1.8TF x30 right?
 
HeisenbergFX4

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Vinex said:
If I were you then I would have asked my "sources" why are they giving me contradiction numbers...

1st source 9.2-10tf
2nd source +11tf

Anyone with common sense would ask these people "Why am I getting these contradiction numbers"

No offense to you but just trying to understand, it's a bit fishy one of these sources aren't giving you the real numbers.
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Yeah I don't push much for info one is a Sony guy at 9.5 and the other is not, I take what they give me.

Almost could lead one to believe the whole 9.5 PS5 and 12 Xbox if both was not telling me they are super close in power.
 
Vinex

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HeisenbergFX4 said:
Yeah I don't push much for info one is a Sony guy at 9.5 and the other is not, I take what they give me.

Almost could lead one to believe the whole 9.5 PS5 and 12 Xbox if both was not telling me they are super close in power.
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So both of you're sources are saying they're close in power?? Whether if they're 9-10tf or +11tf, no?
 
Ellery

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pawel86ck said:
Maybe I'm too old, but 4x more FLOPS looks unimpressive to me, and especially when we consider 4K require 4x more FLOPS compared to 1080p.

PS2 (EE + GS) = 6.2 GFLOPS while PS3 GPU alone was around 192 GFLOPS. 30x increase 😃
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Never ever compare TF between different architectures. It doesn't work.

A new graphics card with 5 TF could be MUCH FASTER than an older graphics cards with 10 TF.

Also there are other things that are important besides TF. Other things that are holding consoles back. It is not just the TF or performance (which would be a much better word for it).
 
Rightisright

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Vinex said:
If I were you then I would have asked my "sources" why are they giving me contradicting numbers...

1st source 9.2-10tf
2nd source +11tf

Anyone with common sense would ask these people "Why am I getting these contradicting numbers"

No offense to you but just trying to understand, it's a bit fishy one of these sources aren't giving you the real numbers.
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Could be what dev kits they are wor
Neo Blaster said:
I just want them to be the same, to the point where DF analysis will be incredibly boring and all this 'mine is bigger than yours' narrative takes a backseat. Let studio talent make the difference on the games, not hardware.
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Even if the XSX is 12tflops and the PS5 is 9.2tflops, a third party developer isnt going to do anything extra for the XSX and it's 2tflops extra. They will use PS5 as the lead, and just put the exact same code on both. No extra FPS, no extra resolution. They will be identical. The only thing that could show a difference is if they have different RT solutions. But a stink average third party game will be identical otherwise.

Then it will come down to exclusives, and at this point Sony has the studios that can make the better graphics. What they did on a 1.8tflop console is amazing.
 
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