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[Garjon]

That same keyword “killer” has been used by Orisis. What is it???

He didn't highlight 'killer'

 

[FranXico]

He didn't highlight 'killer'

He did repeatedly use the expression "Microsoft is killing it".

 

[demigod]

Pretty sure there were game streaming platforms before PSNow. Wasn’t onLive a thing on pc years ago?

edit: ahh yeah, Sony actually bought them just to shut them down, lol

Yes, there were. Sony bought them, right?

No, they bought Gaikai. Onlive killed itself and then sold patents which Sony bought.

 

[Gavin Stevens]

Truth be told with all my time with streaming Xbox to pc, if I use the wifi, it’s too much lag for me. I’m really bad when it comes to delays and things. Games like dishonoured 2 I couldn’t even play because of it.

On a wired connection it was ok, to a certain degree.

That’s why I’ll never buy into stadia, or wireless gaming really. I’ll use it but not for a serious play.

 

[ethomaz]

PlayStation 5's first external SSD possibly teased

Patriot will test out its new external Viper PXD M.2 SSD on a PS4 at PAX East, a move that could translate onto the next-gen PS5.

www.tweaktown.com

I don't think their SSD test on PS4 is related to PS5 lol

According to this article you posted:

"PlayStation 5 specs and details:
Custom SoC with second-gen Navi GPU, Zen 2 CPU
8-Core, 16-thread Zen 2 CPU at 3.2GHz
Navi GPU at 2.0GHz with 36 Compute Units
Navi, Zen SoC uses new AMD RDNA 2.0 architecture
Ultra-fast SSD
Support for 4K 120 Hz TVs
Ray-tracing enabled
8K output support (for gaming)
Plays all PS4 games
Separate games that ship on BD-XL Blu-ray discs
New controller with extensive haptic and tactile feedback"

That's cut and pasted. Are the speeds really confirmed?


Edit: Is this website legit? I never heard of it before, and see it was linked by someone new here, Is the website throwing out rumors for clicks? What is going on here?

Fake.
Any leak with Navi running close to 2Ghz you can put in the fake list... it is just not possible.

And he is jumping conclusion on SSD part too.

 

[demigod]

Fair enough, but I think my point still stands. I think Sony wanted to focus a lot on RT and AMD was shitting the bed on actually getting hardware RT done so they went their own way and created their own solution. Wasn't Navi delayed which is why Vega 7 exists?

AMD was going nowhere with Raja at the helm. Look how they're doing now in the GPU department after he's gone.

 

[Omega Supreme Holopsicon]

Personally I highly doubt we see 13tf in PS5. i think it would be matching the XsX's, maybe 0.2 above or below that.

if it can reach 13 it can likely reach 14. The apparently excessive cooling would only mean whatever they're doing is likely being pushed, be it small or big chip. So either it's 9-10Tflops with high clocks at 36CU or 14-15Tflop at higher CU count and high clocks.

 

[DeepEnigma]

Phil posted that on Dec 4. You might be an insider but you do make shit up lol

I believe he posted on Ree before Dec 4 about it being in the wild, but I could also be misremembering.

 

[Reindeer]

if it can reach 13 it can likely reach 14. The apparently excessive cooling would only mean whatever they're doing is likely being pushed, be it small or big chip. So either it's 9-10Tflops with high clocks at 36CU or 14-15Tflop at higher CU count and high clocks.

If it can reach 14 it can reach 15, of it can reach 15 it can reach 16...

 

[DeepEnigma]

Pretty sure there were game streaming platforms before PSNow. Wasn’t onLive a thing on pc years ago?

edit: ahh yeah, Sony actually bought them just to shut them down, lol

They bought them for their tech and engineers. Along with Gaikai that helped with Remote/SharePlay tech.

 

[Burrito Bandito]

Sony has always been the type of company (at least the Ps division) that would have immediately responded to Xbox’s 12flop reveal, if they were indeed more powerful.. but they didnt. just a hunch

 

[Omega Supreme Holopsicon]

I

If it can reach 14 it can reach 15, of it can reach 15 it can reach 16...

no if it is 56CU at high clocks there's a limit(navi 5700xt can go up to 2.2~Ghz without excessive power consumption)

 

[VFXVeteran]

Wow. Just amazing.

So not only did I preface what was told to me that "my text conversation was flaky" and "I'm a little confused about what was said but I'm not going to push for clarification", I still called a console-hater, crazy in the mind for even mentioning such ludicrous things and that I'm a PC master race who doesn't want to see Sony thrive and succeed. I'm getting ridiculed for being banned on ResetERA due to fighting fanboys and defending my stance on graphics development (putting ERA in a good light for banning me) and I'm being scrutinized here -- all for telling what someone legit from the industry has told me.

Am I making this stuff up to piss people off? Really?

I've read through 10 pages of people calling out 'insiders' fake and don't know what they are talking about.. people calling for bans, etc ..

I just realized that I don't and will not say anything more. If the insiders in this forum is getting bashed for saying things that go against what gamers of either platform want to hear and only get ridiculed for it, what's the reason why any of us should speak at all? Who wants to put people in the industry on the line when they only get a bashing for it?

I'm done with telling any more information about these platforms. When it all comes out, people can make fun of or complain about the companies decisions at that point in time. I no longer want to participate in giving up anything I have to a bunch of unthankful and rude people.

 

[Akuji]

this rtx talk is really triggering me ...
the 12tf of the xsx has NOTHING to do with the Raytracing ... the architecture has extra cores, for exactly that task. the RTX 2080TI for example has 78 teraflops of rtx ops. U can gain massive gains by removing alot of flexibility that a chip can do. These RTX cores cannot do any graphics calculations in any meaningfull way. but they can trace rays much much better then a normal GPU. The same goes for the XSX chip. 12TF of Raytracing gets u nowhere. Its just nothing im comparison to whats needed. Going on and be like "yeah PS5 will have an extra chip that does RTX for the Console but the XSX has to do it with the 12TF GPU" is just ... misinformed bs. Inform urself about "Gigy Rays" "RTX Core" "RTX Ops" and whatever bullshit words NVidia came up with to sell the new features. Its an ASIC that can do not really anything but the task that is needed to calculate rays and if and what they hit and bounce off from.

While it COULD be true that the PS5 will have a much faster ASIC when it comes to RayTracing, we dont have enough information how it all goes together and works out. Since the ONLY architecture that really works right now is the turing architecture from NVidia. So there is something to learn from. But its litteraly a sample size of 1 ... maybe some developer can enlighten us with more information but from a pure spec list its hard to get more out of it.

 

[DeepEnigma]

Who the F cares about streaming. They all suck.

Just because you prefer a platform for your NATIVE gaming like all of us on an enthusiast site, doesn't mean you need to fanwar over the worst way to play games in current year.

 

[HeisenbergFX4]

Wow. Just amazing.

So not only did I preface what was told to me that "my text conversation was flaky" and "I'm a little confused about what was said but I'm not going to push for clarification", I still called a console-hater, crazy in the mind for even mentioning such ludicrous things and that I'm a PC master race who doesn't want to see Sony thrive and succeed. I'm getting ridiculed for being banned on ResetERA due to fighting fanboys and defending my stance on graphics development (putting ERA in a good light for banning me) and I'm being scrutinized here -- all for telling what someone legit from the industry has told me.

Am I making this stuff up to piss people off? Really?

I've read through 10 pages of people calling out 'insiders' fake and don't know what they are talking about.. people calling for bans, etc ..

I just realized that I don't and will not say anything more. If the insiders in this forum is getting bashed for saying things that go against what gamers of either platform want to hear and only get ridiculed for it, what's the reason why any of us should speak at all? Who wants to put people in the industry on the line when they only get a bashing for it?

I'm done with telling any more information about these platforms. When it all comes out, people can make fun of or complain about the companies decisions at that point in time. I no longer want to participate in giving up anything I have to a bunch of unthankful and rude people.

Not everyone here is unthankfull for info as I am not quick to dismiss what people say.

Just dont let people drag you into arguments because no matter what people will fight over which plastic box they hold most dear.

Just my 2 cents.

 

[Ken Adams]

I believe he posted on Ree before Dec 4 about it being in the wild, but I could also be misremembering.

He started posting on Ree on JAN 9 2020 and he himself said Dec 7 in his post so not sure where you're getting your info from.

 

[Reindeer]

Wow. Just amazing.

So not only did I preface what was told to me that "my text conversation was flaky" and "I'm a little confused about what was said but I'm not going to push for clarification", I still called a console-hater, crazy in the mind for even mentioning such ludicrous things and that I'm a PC master race who doesn't want to see Sony thrive and succeed. I'm getting ridiculed for being banned on ResetERA due to fighting fanboys and defending my stance on graphics development (putting ERA in a good light for banning me) and I'm being scrutinized here -- all for telling what someone legit from the industry has told me.

Am I making this stuff up to piss people off? Really?

I've read through 10 pages of people calling out 'insiders' fake and don't know what they are talking about.. people calling for bans, etc ..

I just realized that I don't and will not say anything more. If the insiders in this forum is getting bashed for saying things that go against what gamers of either platform want to hear and only get ridiculed for it, what's the reason why any of us should speak at all? Who wants to put people in the industry on the line when they only get a bashing for it?

I'm done with telling any more information about these platforms. When it all comes out, people can make fun of or complain about the companies decisions at that point in time. I no longer want to participate in giving up anything I have to a bunch of unthankful and rude people.

Common man, I enjoy your mini essays on PC being so much more superior to consoles and then someone posts a PC Masterace meme and we all laugh. You can't deny us these precious moments so many of us here enjoy.

 

[demigod]

I just realized that I don't and will not say anything more. If the insiders in this forum is getting bashed for saying things that go against what gamers of either platform want to hear and only get ridiculed for it, what's the reason why any of us should speak at all? Who wants to put people in the industry on the line when they only get a bashing for it?

I'm done with telling any more information about these platforms. When it all comes out, people can make fun of or complain about the companies decisions at that point in time. I no longer want to participate in giving up anything I have to a bunch of unthankful and rude people.

Thanks, best post from you. Also you noticed how we don't call out Heisenberg even though he says XSX is slightly ahead? Because he doesn't post BS.

 

[DeepEnigma]

He started posting on Ree on JAN 9 2020 and he himself said Dec 7 in his post so not sure where you're getting your info from.

but I could also be misremembering.

 

[Kazekage1981]

Tips for anyone who wants to prove validity or invalidity of an insider's predictions:

1. Name the specific predictions made.
2. Links, links, links - Link to specific comments, articles, tweets, etc. that contain the original predictions and evidence that either corroborates or contradicts those predictions. "I say so", "Believe me", and "Just look it up yourself" aren't valid excuses.
3. If the predictions contradict themselves, point out at the specific parts where they do not add up to scrutiny.
4. If an "insider" is banned for being a fake insider, then obviously, their inputs are not useful and should not be taken seriously.
5. Multiple insiders are better than one. Relying on just one insider is a bad idea as outliers are a thing. Find as many people who are vetted and then, piece together what the consensus is.

I think these insiders know the exact specifications or ballpark specifications of both consoles, they are just making this 'speculation' train go a little bit to the left, a little bit to the right, a little bit back but NEVER HITTING THE CENTER/BULLSEYE. If they did do that, then the people they supposedly know or are in contacts with might loose their job or get sued etc, and these insiders are trying to protect themselves as well.

My prediction/speculation still stands that PS5 will be slightly less TFLOPS then XsX between 10-11 figure. However, it will make up for it by other components of its hardware and features that XsX will not have. There are already some hints and clues pointing to it: Haptic feedback, Biometric reading, VR features, and whatever their special sauce is to keep the player immersed in ways which is not possible this current and past generations.. Sony has already won the next generation, but Ill be damned to think that Microsoft will be a pathetic second or third with its anemic exclusives. This will NOT be the case this upcoming Holiday season, because all signs point to Microsoft doing everything right this time and it will be almost neck to neck with msft being slightly behind sony.

Plus I really dont think that the graphics of next generation are going to be upscaled current generation. The first or second wave games might look like that due to the transition and learning curve phase, but please dont underestimate the power of RDNA 2, and Zen 2, more memory and higher bandwidth jam packed into a console box. When you see the games, you are not going to give 2 shits you will be more like:

shutupandtakemymoney.gif

 

[Moneal]

Sony has always been the type of company (at least the Ps division) that would have immediately responded to Xbox’s 12flop reveal, if they were indeed more powerful.. but they didnt. just a hunch

Lol, no. They waited till E3 to mention trading games, even though they already debunked the narrative before it started that they were following MS during an interview right after ps4 reveal. And that was much bigger than a few flop lead.

 

[DeepEnigma]

Sony has always been the type of company (at least the Ps division) that would have immediately responded to Xbox’s 12flop reveal, if they were indeed more powerful.. but they didnt. just a hunch

Classic tales from the arse, concern and FUD all in one post.

Hats off to you, mate! Hit the trifecta hat trick in one shot.

 

[Omega Supreme Holopsicon]

While it COULD be true that the PS5 will have a much faster ASIC when it comes to RayTracing, we dont have enough information how it all goes together and works out. Since the ONLY architecture that really works right now is the turing architecture from NVidia.

it would be ridiculous for gran turismo not to have ray tracing yet

"I think, display resolution-wise, 4K resolution is enough," Yamauchi told GTPlanet in a recent interview. "In terms of frames per second, rather than staying at 60 fps, I’m more interested in raising it to 120 fps or even 240 fps. I think that’s what’s going to be changing the experience from here on forward." -gamesradar

Aiming for 240fps with raytracing would be impossible on current gen rtx. So assuming gran turismo will use ray tracing, we could infer what Sony's cooking is at least significantly faster than what nvidia currently has.

 

[The Mad Draklor]

Sony has always been the type of company (at least the Ps division) that would have immediately responded to Xbox’s 12flop reveal, if they were indeed more powerful.. but they didnt. just a hunch

Just like how Sony immediately responded to the Xbox One DRM fiasc... oh wait nevermind.

Um... just like how Sony immediately responded to rumors that the PS5 would not have hardware-based raytrac... oh wait nevermind.

 

[Kusarigama]

Phil posted that on Dec 4. You might be an insider but you do make shit up lol

Pretty much everyone was speculating that Spencer brought home a devkit for testing out. And OsirisBlack was the one who said "its not a devkit" to which many people took as if OsirisBlack was implying that Spencer was lying and blah blah blah and on TGA we all saw what we saw. OsirisBlack was hinting that it was not a devkit but a final retail unit.

 

[Akuji]

it would be ridiculous for gran turismo not to have ray tracing yet


Aiming for 240fps with raytracing would be impossible on current gen rtx. So assuming gran turismo will use ray tracing, we could infer what Sony's cooking is at least significantly faster than what nvidia currently has.

not sure what u wanna say? the PS5 will have Raytracing hardware. Thats a given, if this raytracing hardware is faster then the RDNA2 architecture side of a rtx chip is what nobody knows.

 

[ethomaz]

Pretty much everyone was speculating that Spencer brought home a devkit for testing out. And OsirisBlack was the one who said "its not a devkit" to which many people took as if OsirisBlack was implying that Spencer was lying and blah blah blah and on TGA we all saw what we saw. OsirisBlack was hinting that it was not a devkit but a final retail unit.

That is what actually happened.
But people have a crusade here against everybody I guess.

For now most of insiders are right with ~12TFs on Xbox One Series X.
Let's see how they will score with the PS5 part where there is more variables "leaks".

My instance is the same since beginning...

- If GitHub is true then 9TFs is impossible and PS5 is around 8TFs.
- If insiders are ture then PS5 is over 11TFs.

 

[DJ12]

Phil posted that on Dec 4. You might be an insider but you do make shit up lol

I'm fairly sure OsirisBlack actually said not only Phil has a take home.

You cannot really blame the man for not remembering a 3 month old post, that he was asked to remove verbatim.

 

[BGs]

it would be ridiculous for gran turismo not to have ray tracing yet


Aiming for 240fps with raytracing would be impossible on current gen rtx. So assuming gran turismo will use ray tracing, we could infer what Sony's cooking is at least significantly faster than what nvidia currently has.

Or 120 per eye.

 

[BlacknGold_Blood]

Fake.
Any leak with Navi running close to 2Ghz you can put in the fake list... it is just not possible.

This isn’t true. With the AMD refresh coming this year and the expected node upgrade, we don’t know what the clock speed sweet spot is for the PS5 GPU.

 

[LittleBigGamer]

Or 120 per eye.

hmm

via eye-tracking/Fov. rendering?

 

[LittleBigGamer]

Bypassing "bad intention" when choosing frames, one could say yes. Talent is important. Very closely followed by time (optimization) and budget. But...

Now imagine "xx.xTF" of VR power in the hands of talented people and efficient hardware. It scares literally just thinking about it.

I like that you like VR

 

[KURDISTAN YPG]

Stop with the insiders hate-
nobody cares-

mods just ban this clowns from the thread,, is really annoyibg for us lurkers to read the same shit over and over

 

[OsirisBlack]

Pretty much everyone was speculating that Spencer brought home a devkit for testing out. And OsirisBlack was the one who said "its not a devkit" to which many people took as if OsirisBlack was implying that Spencer was lying and blah blah blah and on TGA we all saw what we saw. OsirisBlack was hinting that it was not a devkit but a final retail unit.

Well a few people pay attention.

 

[Insane Metal]

Screw everyone console warring. Seriously, SCREW YOU IF YOU CONSOLE WAR.

These consoles are monsters and even if the PS5 is 9TF it is still a hell of a lot more powerful than the PS4 or PS4 Pro and will be able to make insane stuff.

Also the XSX at 12TF RDNA fucking 2.0 is insane. I bet it won't be cheap but screw it, that thing is a monster. We should be thankful for getting actual good hardware this time. Can't even imagine what the games will look like on these machines. Praised be AMD

 

[ethomaz]

This isn’t true. With the AMD refresh coming this year and the supposed node upgrade from 7NM to 7NP, we don’t know what the clock speed sweet spot is for the PS5 GPU.

Not possible.

First RDNA doesn't run at 2Ghz... the top boost clock without overclock is 1905Mhz and it is only marketing because the card can't archive that at all.
Second that is a Desktop part that run with way higher clock than mobile parts used in consoles.
Third it is a single GPU chip instead an complex APU... APUs can't reach clocks of single chips.

The 7nm revision is not drastic... actually it is more of the same with a bit of improviment.
RDNA 2 is not a big change... it is basically a revision to complete the RDNA archiceture.

Anybody believing consoles will run GPU at 2Ghz is fooling themselves.

PS. Well there is people that believes nVidia can revise Tegra X1 to Nintendo create a Switch Pro yet when there is no tech available for that like I always said in the threads about the subject.

 

[Omega Supreme Holopsicon]

not sure what u wanna say? the PS5 will have Raytracing hardware. Thats a given, if this raytracing hardware is faster then the RDNA2 architecture side of a rtx chip is what nobody knows.

what I'm saying is, that assuming gran turismo has ray tracing, aiming for 120 or 240 fps suggests it is pretty fast.

You hear Yamauchi say 4k is fine but we should go to 120 to 240 frames per second. Yet there is no ray tracing rtx game with 240 or even 120 fps even at 1080p in a 2080ti, if I'm not mistaken.

 

[KURDISTAN YPG]

Well a few people pay attention.

Anything new? As far as sony goes?

 

[Reindeer]

Screw everyone console warring. Seriously, SCREW YOU IF YOU CONSOLE WAR.

These consoles are monsters and even if the PS5 is 9TF it is still a hell of a lot more powerful than the PS4 or PS4 Pro and will be able to make insane stuff.

Also the XSX at 12TF RDNA fucking 2.0 is insane. I bet it won't be cheap but screw it, that thing is a monster. We should be thankful for getting actual good hardware this time. Can't even imagine what the games will look like on these machines. Praised be AMD

Naah, 12>9 and you know it!

 

[Farrell55]

This isn’t true. With the AMD refresh coming this year and the expected node upgrade, we don’t know what the clock speed sweet spot is for the PS5 GPU.

Amd 5700 Series is allready on tsmc 7nmP process

 

[Gavin Stevens]

A ultra high resolution display in a vr headset that refreshes at 120fps per eye? I don’t even want to think of the cost.

I mean, for a start that means much less visual detail if your game runs at 240fps, but more so, this would require 2 panels would it not? Doesn't the current PSVR have a single panel?

Having a single panel run at 240 fps seems like a total waste, 120 seems reasonable though, but with major cutbacks to fidelity in favour of resolution and refresh.

 

[Akuji]

Well a few people pay attention.

Alot are. Thats why we do Not ask how things went every 5 Minutes.

Thanks for ur input in this thread.

 

[Fun Fanboy]

Wow. Just amazing.

So not only did I preface what was told to me that "my text conversation was flaky" and "I'm a little confused about what was said but I'm not going to push for clarification", I still called a console-hater, crazy in the mind for even mentioning such ludicrous things and that I'm a PC master race who doesn't want to see Sony thrive and succeed. I'm getting ridiculed for being banned on ResetERA due to fighting fanboys and defending my stance on graphics development (putting ERA in a good light for banning me) and I'm being scrutinized here -- all for telling what someone legit from the industry has told me.

Am I making this stuff up to piss people off? Really?

I've read through 10 pages of people calling out 'insiders' fake and don't know what they are talking about.. people calling for bans, etc ..

I just realized that I don't and will not say anything more. If the insiders in this forum is getting bashed for saying things that go against what gamers of either platform want to hear and only get ridiculed for it, what's the reason why any of us should speak at all? Who wants to put people in the industry on the line when they only get a bashing for it?

I'm done with telling any more information about these platforms. When it all comes out, people can make fun of or complain about the companies decisions at that point in time. I no longer want to participate in giving up anything I have to a bunch of unthankful and rude people.

All love from me! You said X is 12 and PS5 is 9. I'm in love with you!

 

[gamechanger87]

The 7nm revision is not drastic... actually it is more of the same with a bit of improviment.
RDNA 2 is not a big change... it is basically a revision to complete the RDNA archiceture.

Per Wikichips, the 5700 family is already on N7P.

Some of the die and package specs are listed below. The new chip comprises 10.3 billion transistors on a 251 squared millimeter piece of silicon. One important key feature to point out is the underlying process technology which is TSMC’s 2nd-generation 7-nanometer node (N7P) which not only provides significant density improvement over AMD’s last node, GlobalFoundries 14-nanometer process but also offers slightly better performance and power over the company’s own first-generation 7 nm process....

AMD made a lot of work on the physical design side. With over ten billion transistors on the chip and with highly parallel architecture, the large wire count alone poses new challenges on the power delivery. The 5700 includes buses that are up to 2048-bit wide. Although there has been a lot of physical reuse, there were still around 60 unique tile designs, each with one to two million instance-counts. Physical design played a big role in the careful placement of logic to alleviate routing issues. The 5700 is implemented using 13 metal layers. Custom routing in the upper low resistance wires is taken advantage of on critical paths to minimize wire delays and improve timing across. It’s a nice reminder that adding more compute units isn’t as simple as just finding a spot for them, there are rather complex physical routing issues involved as well.

https://fuse.wikichip.org/news/3331/radeon-rx-5700-navi-and-the-rdna-architecture/

 

[Insane Metal]

Naah, 12>9 and you know it!

Everybody wins. Some win more than others and both sides will stom each other as always. Still 9TF RDNA 2 is immense so fuck it. Imagine TLoUpII on that.

 

[Racer!]

Screw everyone console warring. Seriously, SCREW YOU IF YOU CONSOLE WAR.

These consoles are monsters and even if the PS5 is 9TF it is still a hell of a lot more powerful than the PS4 or PS4 Pro and will be able to make insane stuff.

Also the XSX at 12TF RDNA fucking 2.0 is insane. I bet it won't be cheap but screw it, that thing is a monster. We should be thankful for getting actual good hardware this time. Can't even imagine what the games will look like on these machines. Praised be AMD

No, its not a monster if its 9TF. Its a little above 2x the compute power (at transistor level) of a console launched 2016. This is launching in 2021 basically, and should last us 7 years.

 

[BGs]

hmm

via eye-tracking/Fov. rendering?

 

[Insane Metal]

No, its not a monster if its 9TF. Its a little above 2x the compute power (at transistor level) of a console launched 2016. This is launching in 2021 basically, and should last us 7 years.

More than that since it's RDNA 2 and not GCN we're talking about. Also, it has a Ryzen CPU and not Jaguar. And a superfast SSD. And more and faster RAM. Don't be silly.

 

[Reindeer]

Everybody wins. Some win more than others and both sides will stom each other as always. Still 9TF RDNA 2 is immense so fuck it. Imagine TLoUpII on that.

I was obviously joking, but I hope it's more than 9, at least 10.5. Regardless games are gonna look crazy like you say, but with more power Sony devs can do some serious damage.