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[OrionNebula]

If the PS5 is actually 9.2TF, are you all going to defend it and come up with any justifications possible or will you all accept that it’s simply the midrange price/performance console?

I will defend it ‘til death because TF is the ONLY thing that matters

 

[VanSiriusGabriel]

90% of insiders: guys it's not 9 tf
Users: I wonder if it's not 9 tf
10%: guys it is 9 tf
Users: OH MY GOD IT'S TRU

 

[I Love Rock 'n' Roll]

It’s not 9.2 lol. It’s just not 12 rdna either.

And it's coming at a 349€ with total PS bc, boost PS4 and a 9.2 TF PS5. They can top PS2 total sells in less than 5 years with a 9.2 TF 345€/$. Just do it Sony.

 

[Gavin Stevens]

I will defend it ‘til death because TF is the ONLY thing that matters

Of course tf isn’t the only thing that matters? But then, all the other points are getting matched. That SSD? Well Ms have one that I’m told is give or take 1gb/sec slower, which when you’re dealing with a 5-6gb/sec drive for PS5 is nothing at all. Slower yes, but 99%!l of cases won’t even be noticeable. The dedicated rag traced audio? SX has that. Dedicated RT hardware? Well, still not sure how up to scratch it is on SX but it has that.

The only question left for me personally is memory, and while yes Sony can up it any time, that comes with its own complications and pushes the cpu harder down the line to use to its full potential. They will both be no less than 16gb ddr6. They won’t be hbm2 as it’s not worth it. The question really is what speed memory, which makes a difference though not massively, and will either side bump it up last minute again. You will also notice thag memory is one thing neither side have talked about in a figure, because they want to try and beat the other.

So while no it’s not about just TF performance, that’s a ballpark we can all discuss, because most of the other stuff is pretty easy to follow.

 

[Neo Blaster]

It's happening isn't it.

It's always happening...

 

[Gavin Stevens]

And it's coming at a 349€ with total PS bc, boost PS4 and a 9.2 TF PS5. They can top PS2 total sells in less than 5 years with a 9.2 TF 345€/$. Just do it Sony.

If they did that then i can quite honestly say good night Xbox sales this year because that would FLY off the shelves.

But Sony don’t want it to fly off shelves now and stagnate later, they need it to keep the momentum of the PS4 and that’s a bloody hard thing to do.

 

[Mriverz]

10.5-11.5tf rdna2 with a better ssd, rt, and or bandwidth would be a steal.

 

[I Love Rock 'n' Roll]

Of course tf isn’t the only thing that matters? But then, all the other points from getting matched. That SSD? Well Ms have one that I’m told is give or take 1gb/sec slower, which when you’re dealing with a 5-6gb/sec drive for PS5 is nothing at all. The dedicated audio? SX has that. Dedicated RT hardware? Well, still not sure how up to scratch it is on SX but it has that.

The only question left for me personally is memory, and while yes Sony can up it any time, that comes with its own complications and pushes the cpu harder down the line to use to its full potential. They will both be no less than 16gb ddr6.
They won’t be hbm2 as it’s not worth it. The question really is what speed memory, which makes a difference though not massively, and will either side bump it up last minute again.

So while no it’s not about just TF performance, that’s a ballpark we can all discuss, because most of the other stuff is pretty easy to follow.

No price and BC are what matter. A 9.2 TF 349€/$ is going to destroy a 499€/$ XBOX (even if it will do good). It's gonna be so fun to watch.

 

[trancefreak64]

She’s also got an ear infection and spent all last week running to the loo every few minutes for a wee that never happened poor bugger. She’s at nursery now thank god, I can breath, but has me worried still.

I remember going through those times with my adult kids. Deep inside I would always worry me like crazy when they were jacked up or sick, especially my boys; always doing dumbshit and getting hurt.
Thankfully I have had health insurance to take care of them since birth, and I couldn't fathom not having health coverage here in the U. S.. I would have been Mortgaging my life away lol .

 

[VanSiriusGabriel]

No price and BC are what matter. A 9.2 TF 349€/$ is going to destroy a 499€/$ XBOX (even if it will do good). It's gonna be so fun to watch.

It wouldn't, I don't give a damn about "destroying" Xbox, I want a powerful machine and competition from MS (even if it doesn't believe Sony is a competitor, they will compete lol), so PS can improve even more.

 

[Gavin Stevens]

No price and BC are what matter. A 9.2 TF 349€/$ is going to destroy a 499€/$ XBOX (even if it will do good). It's gonna be so fun to watch.

Im going to put my fan boy glasses on a sec, excuse me... *puts on specs* But just last year BC didn’t matter and was a waste of time for Sony, because you want to play new games, not old?

That’s not my stance btw, BC is one of my favourite areas to play games on, it’s great. But then I’ve been spoilt with free 4k upgrades for a few years now

But yes at that price it really would be a steal. It’s just a balancing act as I said. They want it to be a steal now, but not be utterly crushed in a few years spec wise. They can release a pro, of course, but by that point Ms would also be on the case with that.

 

[I Love Rock 'n' Roll]

If they did that then i can quite honestly say good night Xbox sales this year because that would FLY off the shelves.

But Sony don’t want it to fly off shelves now and stagnate later, they need it to keep the momentum of the PS4 and that’s a bloody hard thing to do.

This is the best scenario for gamers aka us. A 499€/$ XBeast and a 349€/$ friendly/familly price for PS5. A 9.2 TF would mean a great news for console gaming.

 

[Gavin Stevens]

I remember going through those times with my adult kids. Deep inside I would always worry me like crazy when they were jacked up or sick, especially my boys; always doing dumbshit and getting hurt.
Thankfully I have had health insurance to take care of them since birth, and I couldn't fathom not having health coverage here in the U. S.. I would have been Mortgaging my life away lol .

Ahh, uk here, and as of now I dont pay a thing for her. Doctors, medicine, hospital, it’s all free. But it hasn’t taken the worry away. We wasn’t supposed to have her, we were told to put the thought of Kids out of our minds as it was near impossible, then we tried anyway and she appeared. Then we were told by actual doctors who I some how didn’t punch to not get excited as she would likely lose her anyway... then 9 months later put pops a gorgeous little healthy monster. So when she’s sick, it hits home hard

 

[Moses85]

He's an incredibly rare breed of fucking idiot, credit where credit is due there.

Hopefully Sony put a sock into these morons mouth. Bring it Sony!

 

[bitbydeath]

Link and timestamp?

 

[Gavin Stevens]

This is the best scenario for gamers aka us. A 499€/$ XBeast and a 349€/$ friendly/familly price for PS5. A 9.2 TF would mean a great news for console gaming.

Sadly... no. Not quite.

You want these two consoles to be as close as possible, otherwise the games WILL suffer, and things go all lob sided. As I said, jt will fly off the shelves on name alone at first, but then...will it have legs? Against a massively more powerful machine...? Im not so sure.

 

[XinTniX]

If PS1 games get polygon perspective correction and fix the shaking polygons besides of getting 4k and some texture filtering, a lot of games will deserve be played again! Mainly this two first features I mentioned can improve the whole ps1 experience a lot!

 

[VanSiriusGabriel]

Im going to put my fan boy glasses on a sec, excuse me... *puts on specs* But just last year BC didn’t matter and was a waste of time for Sony, because you want to play new games, not old?

That’s not my stance btw, BC is one of my favourite areas to play games on, it’s great. But then I’ve been spoilt with free 4k upgrades for a few years now

But yes at that price it really would be a steal. It’s just a balancing act as I said. They want it to be a steal now, but not be utterly crushed in a few years spec wise. They can release a pro, of course, but by that point Ms would also be on the case with that.

Somehow this expectation for Ps1-Ps3 bc got popular far before Xbox confirmed complete bc, probably due to a rumor, but before that I would't ever think about it as a possible outcome. It would be crazy, not for me because I don't have shit right now except for PS4 games, but still... if they manage to pump up PS Now or the store anyway, I'm in.
In case there is no software/hardware bc at all, it would be cool a system where if you own the game the console recognize that and let you streaming/download it for free from PS Now (in case it's there of course). They could do it also with the store like Xbox, but if it's only streaming it would be easier for some games to be available.

 

[SlimySnake]

SlimySnake

what did you do with that story mistermedia and senjutsu have orgasmed 5 times each reading that story . They don’t consider what u wrote dark comedy they consider it erotic reality novel ❤(cerny lying about RT and Sony being caught off guards and being shook to the core is their reality version of events lol)

I think the post doesn't work without context. It worked on era because everyone saw the guy i was quoting and how incredibly silly his theory was. .

Its also possible they have a good sense of humor and can handle being made fun of. Several Xbox fans on era saw the funny side of it so maybe there IS hope. There is literally a murder suicide and time travel in that post, surely they know it's a joke.

Or maybe I'm giving them too much credit and they really are that delusional.

You wrote it?

Yah. I didn't anticipate it ending up on pastebin though.

 

[pasterpl]

So Gears looks like garbage because of art direction, but Horizon looks gorgeous because of art direction? MS should stop investing in AA studios hoping to get AAA graphics.

Gear 5 is almost native 4K and 60fps, while Uncharted is 1440p and 30fps (comparing both on enhanced consoles), so yes, Gears is much more impressive technically, while Uncharted have "better" art direction (in brackets as this is subjective)

 

[DJ12]

Guys I‘ve just had an awful terrible thought.

All this time I’ve been reporting that PS5 is targeting 10.5-11.5 to fall upon and yet people are still posting this strange rumour about 13, nearly 14, which would be utterly insane for what I assume will be the same price (bom) and keeping a traditional form factor...

But erm... And this is just me, Using what I’ve been told and making a new conclusion...

What if that 13ish tf is gcn...?

Because I know it’s not 9.X, that was ditched ages ago. But a target range of 10.5-11.5 rdna is... 13.125 - 14.375. Meaning if they hit a middle of the road target of 11, they will essentially be on about... 13.75.

That’s way too close to that rumour of 13.8 for my liking...

So erm...

No, it can’t be that, it can’t be that simple... no way...

I’m still very much in the target range of 10.5-11.5 for myself, based on what I’ve been told. But... I can’t help but look at the above and go “well fuck me if that doesn’t add up”

More reaching from xbox fan odium. Whens ps fan odium due to take over again I will let him know to correct you, him whatever. It's all very confusing.

It's almost as if you are making an excuse for T TommyFisher to be correct but still have it as xbox is more powerful.

If ps5 is gcn, which it isn't as navi was basically designed for them, but if we ignore that, they yeah I guess you could be correct.

Forget the fact the although not much can be gained from it, the github leak was rdna based.....

If sony are quick mathing the flops to equate to what a gcn card would be pushing, then so are Microsoft as everyone is saying there is less then 10% difference between them and probably even less when the retail boxes/final spec devkits are out there

 

[pasterpl]

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Uncharted 5? Naughty Dog leaves the door open to continue the saga

 

[Hellgardia]

An 11Tflops PS5 would in fact be at a 10% difference to the XSX. But it wouldn't be equivalent to 13.8 GCN so odium's theory goes to ground.

Again using the 5700XT (peak of 9.7Tfops) vs Radeon VII (peak of 13.44Tflops) comparison even though it's not the best way of doing things. They are pretty similar in performance.

 

[Gavin Stevens]

rubbish

I’m going to let you into a little secret... now this may be hard to hear, so sit down.

“it’s ok.”

It’s ok to be second place for something. For anything. You don’t have to be the best at everything. If the ps5 is more powerful in spec than the sx, thats fine. If it’s higher, that’s also fine.

But when people, such as myself, post something, anything, that’s critical of Sony, it doesn’t make me a fanboy. It means I’m talking from a position of evidence, and experience, and giving my best bet.

If you re-read it again, you will see how it’s possible all the 13.8 talk could actually be true, just not as rdna. There’s no chance they have anything that high. None. Zilch. Zip. Not at the same ball park bom cost as SX, with the same heat, and a possible traditional form factor. Likewise, there’s no chance they are 9.x, for the opposite of the above.

So when somebody starts saying something slightly negative about your favourite black box, be it playstation, Xbox or even the bloody Ouya. Just stop for a second and ask yourself...

Is this person forming opinions based on known facts and leaks that collaborate each other? Or is he shit posting for fanboy wars...

...and if you REALLY think what I’m posting is to just to shit on Sony, then... wow... I don’t know what to say. If you yourself say I keep flipping between the two, then that should be enough evidence to show I don’t have a bias for either side. Not when it comes to talking technology like this anyway.

 

[mitchman]

It would be a dumb move to admit that they know what Sony is doing. Corporate espionage is usually frowned upon.

(old message, I know)
Frowned upon is a mild way of saying it. It would be a massive lawsuit in the making.

I believe that's the case, as well. Wikipedia says the OS in PS4 is this:

OS family: Unix-like, FreeBSD (BSD)

And last time PS3 had Linux support. So, is Sony using Vulkan-based RT (open-source) as it shows to gain like 15-20% OVER DXR? AMD is invested in it's opensource Freesync and Vulkan that in some games that utilize Vulkan the Radeon VII in Dirt Rally 4 gained a huge margain agains the mighty 2080ti? If such optimization could do that, then we should expect that from the "secret sauce".

Sony uses GNM as the low-level api, with a wrapper API on top of it called GNMX. Raytracing API support would be implemented in these APIs.

 

[Gavin Stevens]

An 11Tflops PS5 would in fact be at a 10% difference to the XSX. But it wouldn't be equivalent to 13.8 GCN so odium's theory goes to ground.

Again using the 5700XT (peak of 9.7Tfops) vs Radeon VII (peak of 13.44Tflops) comparison even though it's not the best way of doing things. They are pretty similar in performance.

Is it not about 1.25? So 12 gcn is around about 13.75 rdna? That’s close, damn close, and if you round up (which you would) it’s 13.8?

Or are we not using 1.25? In which case, somebody correct me.

 

[Gavin Stevens]

If ps5 is gcn, which it isn't as navi was basically designed for them, but if we ignore that, they yeah I guess you could be correct.

Gonna need to see the receipts on this. Hey it may be true, but I want to see where it’s strictly shown that RDNA was made for Sony, and not for its own line of cards.

 

[VanSiriusGabriel]

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Wow, games? You nuts boi.
If Uncharted 5 will be a thing (4 is around 16/17 milions copies at least anyway) the protagonist will probably be the toddler at the end. No spoiler.
But I would love a Sully spin off during his days.

 

[Hellgardia]

Is it not about 1.25? So 12 gcn is around about 13.75 rdna? That’s close, damn close, and if you round up (which you would) it’s 13.8?

Or are we not using 1.25? In which case, somebody correct me.

Not going by the 1.25 multiplier, just comparing cards of very similar performance with known peak Tflops.

If you go by the 1.25 multiplier, then yes a 11TFlops RDNA would be 13.75TFlops GCN.
12 RDNA TFlops lands around 15 GCN TFlops.

 

[Zzpaff]

or things change a lot with the virus in the coming months, or forget about e3 as we know it at least, the cancellation of the Olympic games is already on the table, only canceled during the two world wars.

 

[VanSiriusGabriel]

Not going by the 1.25 multiplier, just comparing cards of very similar performance with known peak Tflops.

If you go by the 1.25 multiplier, then yes a 11TFlops RDNA would be 13.75TFlops GCN.
12 RDNA TFlops lands around 15 GCN TFlops.

If even SeX was 15 GCN tf, instead of like 10 tf then 12 with RDNA, they would probably have said 15 tf to make it sound gigantic.

 

[Gavin Stevens]

If even SeX was 15 GCN tf, instead of like 10 tf then 12 with RDNA, they would probably have said 15 tf to make it sound gigantic.

....and then get shot down instantly, because you can’t say 15tf gcn using rdna 2, that wouldn’t make sense lol. You could say 15tf gcn, but then people would moan you’re using old hat stuff, and it wouldn’t match up with what you’re doing anyway.

So there’s no real confusion there, it’s rdna 2, or at least, rdna 1 with a lot of the needed stuff from rdna 2 to make it up to scratch.

 

[Mr Moose]

All Navi GPUs are RDNA.

 

[VanSiriusGabriel]

....and then get shot down instantly, because you can’t say 15tf gcn using rdna 2, that wouldn’t make sense lol. You could say 15tf gcn, but then people would moan you’re using old hat stuff, and it wouldn’t match up with what you’re doing anyway.

So there’s no real confusion there, it’s rdna 2, or at least, rdna 1 with a lot of the needed stuff from rdna 2 to make it up to scratch.

Oh you Xbox fanboy don't try it.

 

[Agnostic2020]

I Love Rock 'n' Roll That’s plausible but then... why the rumoured worry about pricing? Because at that price, it’s a steal, isn’t it? I mean it would fly off shelves...? I don’t get it?

Yea that’s true . If Sony was thinking of pricing it 399 or 349 lol they wouldn’t wait for ms. They would just price it as they know ms isn’t touching that price . So Sony is also thinking of pricing their console higher .

 

[Gavin Stevens]

All Navi GPUs are RDNA.

Are they also all designed for Sony? I mean, I mean, he wouldn’t just LIE to suit an agenda, would he................?

 

[Deleted member 775630]

Yea that’s true . If Sony was thinking of pricing it 399 or 349 lol they wouldn’t wait for ms. They would just price it as they know ms isn’t touching that price . So Sony is also thinking of pricing their console higher .

And a higher price, means higher performance. So 9.2TF seems very unlikely if the BOM of both consoles is very close to each other AND every insider here has said they are super close.

 

[Gavin Stevens]

And a higher price, means higher performance. So 9.2TF seems very unlikely if the BOM of both consoles is very close to each other AND every insider here has said they are super close.

There we go, as I said, 9.x wouldn’t make sense again.

Wait no, sorry, I was supposed to be an Xbox fanboy this post, I meant to say: No, it would make sense, because Sony will rip it’s customers off.

That was a close call...

 

[Agnostic2020]

So Sony patented charging your controller wirelessly on top of the console/pad

WIPO - Search International and National Patent Collections

patentscope.wipo.int

 

[M-V2]

OMG this guy is the biggest fraud, the page is talking about the leak of GitHub & he talks as if IGN Japan is confirming the leak

 

[Agnostic2020]

OMG this guy is the biggest fraud, the page is talking about the leak of GitHub & he talks as if IGN Japan is confirming the leak

Let him do it . When he has to walk it back it would be sight to watch

 

[Mr Moose]

Are they also all designed for Sony? I mean, I mean, he wouldn’t just LIE to suit an agenda, would he................?

Sources: AMD Created Navi For Sony's PlayStation 5, Vega Suffered

Sources reveal not only that the PS5 uses Navi graphics, but nearly 2/3 of AMD's engineering resources were devoted to the task.

www.forbes.com

I don't really trust things I read by Forbes contributors though lol.

 

[M-V2]

Let him do it . When he has to walk it back it would be sight to watch

I screenshot it, I'm waiting for the reveal he is gonna be a joke on Twitter, mark my words

 

[Gavin Stevens]

So Sony patented charging your controller wirelessly on top of the console/pad

WIPO - Search International and National Patent Collections

patentscope.wipo.int

Fuck me I even said that a while back as a joke in this thread

Sony be straight up reading this this and stealing our ideas

What I will say in a serious note is that to do that, you would need a traditional form factor and flat top.

Pretty cool though, for those who lay it flat.

 

[Agnostic2020]

I screenshot it, I'm waiting for the reveal he is gonna be a joke on Twitter, mark my words

Haha revenge is dish best served cold

 

[ZywyPL]

Again using the 5700XT (peak of 9.7Tfops) vs Radeon VII (peak of 13.44Tflops) comparison even though it's not the best way of doing things. They are pretty similar in performance.

Didn't even AMD themselves stated that Navi/RDNA is up to 40% more efficient (in games) than their previous architecture when launching RX5700 cards? I swear to god I read it, I was obviously very skeptical at first, but then the first benchmarks actually confirmed that 5700XT is indeed performing on par with Radeon VII.

 

[Mr Moose]

So Sony patented charging your controller wirelessly on top of the console/pad

WIPO - Search International and National Patent Collections

patentscope.wipo.int

Not sure how I feel about this. I'll just be sticking with a USB cable.

 

[Gavin Stevens]

Sources: AMD Created Navi For Sony's PlayStation 5, Vega Suffered

Sources reveal not only that the PS5 uses Navi graphics, but nearly 2/3 of AMD's engineering resources were devoted to the task.

www.forbes.com

I don't really trust things I read by Forbes contributors though lol.

Spoiler: they didn’t.

 

[Hellgardia]

Didn't even AMD themselves stated that Navi/RDNA is up to 40% more efficient (in games) than their previous architecture when launching RX5700 cards? I swear to god I read it, I was obviously very skeptical at first, but then the first benchmarks actually confirmed that 5700XT is indeed performing on par with Radeon VII.

That was exactly my point. Going by the 5700XT it is 1.38 (more or less) more efficient in games than the R7.

 

[Mr Moose]

Didn't even AMD themselves stated that Navi/RDNA is up to 40% more efficient (in games) than their previous architecture when launching RX5700 cards? I swear to god I read it, I was obviously very skeptical at first, but then the first benchmarks actually confirmed that 5700XT is indeed performing on par with Radeon VII.

AMD's next-gen Navi could be 40% faster than RX Vega

Globalfoundries prepares 7nm node, meaning AMD's next-gen Navi GPU architecture isn't too far away.

www.tweaktown.com