siekro1983
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I'm actually a sony fan, but i'm not delusional, ill happily eat crow, Hope you will 2 when the specs are gonna be the same as the github leak.
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I'm actually a sony fan, but i'm not delusional, ill happily eat crow, Hope you will 2 when the specs are gonna be the same as the github leak.
wowbaggerBR
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Richard literally says something to the effect "if the GitHub leak proves correct" in their last video about the Xbox, what are you talking about?
siekro1983
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M.Night Shyamalan
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You know what about DF always make me laugh?
In 2013 launch, Fifa 14 was 1080P/60fps on ps4 and 720p on xbox one, but despite being a site dedicated to technical things, they gave recommendations on buying the Xbox One version because "it comes with exclusive legends" why is that? they will be left with egg on their face at the reveal. glass always half full when they look at MS. since ps3 days, always.
DForce
NaughtyDog Defense Force
You're not delusional, yet you say thing such as 90% confirmed when that makes absolutely no sense. It's either 100% confirmed or 0. There's no in between. Since we don't know the final specs of the hardware, then we cannot say if the insiders are wrong or not since nothing has been confirmed.
siekro1983
Banned
of course it's not 100% official. i did say 90% so far xbox x series has matched the leak perfectly.
LED Guy?
Banned
Oh man, a rabid XBOT is on the loose, when confronted with logic and reasoning, he won't accept it
siekro1983
Banned
what are you talking about? you can a highly likely scenario with out being 100% confirmed, 9.2 is a extremely likely scenario at this point , think about it, we haven't had any other credible leak since then.
wowbaggerBR
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So your reasoning, let's call it that, is that if data leaked of company A is accurate, all things leaked from a complete different entity must have be correct?
This forum never fails to amaze me.
wowbaggerBR
Member
Your "credible" leak is a bunch of inconsistent data posted publicly, by accident, by an AMD intern.
siekro1983
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No my reasoning is common sense. Leaked source coming from AMD which has the code name of ps5 GPU, but what ever well see soon enough, i would love to be wrong but in my mind 9.2 is all but confirmed.
hemo memo
You can't die before your death
It is. Obvious “”””insiders””” trolling doesn’t make it easier.
M.Night Shyamalan
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Vroadstar
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Oh man, a rabid XBOT is on the loose, when confronted with logic and reasoning, he won't accept it
He may be 90% right? or 80% or 30%......10%? ok, 1%?
DForce
NaughtyDog Defense Force
9.2 is not even extremely likely based on the temperature alone.
Devs and insiders have said specs are similar and we cannot confirm this is false because we don't have the specs. Based on your logic alone, you're calling all insiders delusional for saying that both consoles will be similar in specs.
wowbaggerBR
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So Richard saying that "if the GitHub data proves accurate" somehow equals to 90% confirmation? Got it.
I happen to be able to download all contents of that repo. It was a mess, the guy had personal files mixed with his job, one of them was his resumeé, which stated his position as an intern. For all we know, he could have just been doing those tests as a minor task. I have a hard time accepting that AMD would give access to such a high profile job to an intern naivee enough to post stuff online on his god damn personal repo.
And that's not even going on about the data inconsistencies or the lack of context.
By your metric, I can say that is 90% confirmed that the data is inaccurate and doesn't give a full picture
siekro1983
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yea i think it will be lower. they will probably clock it at 1.8ghz. we'll see though, to me all the evidence in the leak is pretty strong. i'll happily eat crow.
siekro1983
Banned
his data was 100% right on xbox, but we'll see soon enough.
To be fair, they also considered PS4 Pro a 4K machine...
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It's also worthwhile introducing the issue if cost here. Microsoft states their Ray tracing solution is 'patented'. That means it is at no cost to their BOM per unit? Apart from the RnD cost.
Whereas what has been suggested as Sony's solution, would add to the cost per unit for the entire duration of it's life cycle, for every unit sold and this is not getting into the question of which solution is best. I doubt a licensed solution would be cheap and presumably it would be a cost on the next next generation too?
hemo memo
You can't die before your death
Talking about the possibilities is pretty much every console launch ever. No, That’s not a confirmation.
Snake29
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Well it has 4K output and some of the games are native 4K. It's not like all Xbox games are 4K Out-of-the-box.
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OmegaSpear
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That GIF is deceptive. Ali was getting beat up in that fight
BGs
Industry Professional
The one who trolls you is Pastebin. I hope it serves for the future.
Self High Five
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Along with no RT in the github data, correct? (aka, lyin' Cerny)
Don't cherry pick what you want to believe from github and ignore the other inconsistencies in guise of "hey I'm just a Sony fan but come on guys it's all confirmed,,,," fake bs
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siekro1983
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Oh man, a rabid XBOT is on the loose, when confronted with logic and reasoning, he won't accept it
This is funny because i don't even like xbox,. i consider PS4 the best console of all time.
LED Guy?
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That GitHub data is full of inconsistencies and lacks context as even Digital Foundry have put it, and even now some of the individuals who are full blown #TeamGitHub are now saying that maybe it has 1 SE disabled due to it being just for BC tests, and that it just lacks full context.
So enable that 3rd SE and you’ll have 54 CUs in “PS5 mode”, which coupled with an appropriate clock speed, you’ll end up with a 12 TF GPU or even more if clocked higher.
It even stated that it doesn’t have Hardware Ray Tracing when we know for a fact that it is in the console as Sony’s Mark Cerny CONFIRMED it.
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Not saying that XOneX games was all native stuff. Just saying that if Sony/Microsoft said "Our new machines are 8K capable" it literally says nothing about performance of consoles
TGO
Hype Train conductor. Works harder than it steams.
M.Night Shyamalan
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Polyphony and Kazunori were not even this optimistic with ps4, in the run up he said along the words of "there is never a limit to how much we need" 240fps is very lofty. is it VR reprojection? either way kaz is saying words like the hardware is at it's limit, like he did with ps4. he said they were forced to use gpgpu to get Sport working. Clearly he is enjoying the raw performance. bear in mind, the Pro version of Sport is far superior, even running replays at 4K CB/60fps with rain, 22 cars on track. I cant even imagine GT Sport at 120fps.. yet they speak of 240fps.
Sw0pDiller
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As much as i like to believe i dont think that Sony went with with the 54CU solution. Is something you do when being "the most powerfull one" is your top priority. clearly the priority for Phil Spencer. and while admirable it's fanservice and means that you have the support of the fanbase who you dissapointed so much last gen. But on the other hand, when Sony is indeed going with the 36CU setup is wil make the consoel a LOT cheaper than de 54CU XBSX. and easier to produce. I wont be surprised if they sell it for 599 of more. while PS5 could be 399 while still putting out some serious power and image quality. 9.2TF navi means 12TF in old term and so the ps5 will still be 3 times as powerful the the pro in GPU department. Take the ZEN 2 cores, ultra fast memory and more and you'll have very nice 399 machine on your hands. Not as nica as the 12tf XBSX though. If you wnat to spend the 200 dollar extra fee though is up to you.
I feel XBSX will become an elite console with her own share of devoted fans while PS5 (if 9,2Tf and 399) will fly of the shelves together with AAA first party games. games, name and price sell consoles. that's something PS4 proved 7 years in a row.
I feel XBSX will become an elite console with her own share of devoted fans while PS5 (if 9,2Tf and 399) will fly of the shelves together with AAA first party games. games, name and price sell consoles. that's something PS4 proved 7 years in a row.
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darkinstinct
...lacks reading comprehension.
I think we have to end a misconception. If an architecture is x % more efficient, that doesn't mean it's x % more powerful. It means it can do the same task with less power consumption. 12 TF RDNA aren't performing as 16 TF GCN. They are as efficient. A floating point operation is just that. A game built for 16 teraflops GCN simply doesn't run on 12 TF RDNA. So no, a 9.2 TF RDNA console is not three times more powerful than a PS4 Pro. It's two point something more powerful and can achieve the same task with less energy consumption.
demigod
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Gotta love fake sony fans always trashing them.
gamerforever
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Would love sony to come out and blow Microsoft away right now. All sony need is a console around 10tf imo. If its much less than that we may have too much of a difference on multiplatform titles and ms will claim superiority at all times.
TGO
Hype Train conductor. Works harder than it steams.
Not really, MS has said 12 TF but for all we know it could actually be 11.6 TF
even this thread poll is telling most expectations was 12 TF
siekro1983
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I really don't understand how i'm trashing sony. just because i think the leaks are most likely correct. doesn't mean i'm trashing them. truth is i'm frustrated with sony. Microsoft console is looking like a dream console, the specs are beyond what people expected, they also plan to let gamers play all the xbox one games with improvements like 60fps and 4k thats sounds amazing, mean while with sony they haven't said anything and all we have is the leaked specs which sound like shit, and looks like BC won't offer improvements.
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siekro1983
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BGs
Industry Professional
On the one hand, the pastebin that I have quoted is one that someone put here, not me. And on the other hand, I don't know if I understood correctly, you suggest that what is published in Pastebin has the same security as my direct and personal opinions and experiences? If I misunderstood you then excuse me. I understand your frustration, but imagine mine that worked without knowing dates and without knowing if it will be canceled at any time because of the blessed SARS-CoV-2.
darkinstinct
...lacks reading comprehension.
AMD continues to play it safe with clock speeds. 2 Ghz PS5 sounds so unlikely unless they are watercooling it (which nobody would do in a console).
But the power consumption is interesting. This is RDNA2 at 350 TDP. Going by the other data the XSX GPU will be roughly 60 % of this monster. Or 210 TDP. Add a Zen 2 at around 15 Watt and I/O and you are probably looking at a 250 Watt machine.
darkinstinct
...lacks reading comprehension.
Damn, that AMD card runs at 18.9 TF. Nvidia killer indeed. Although 3080 Ti is rumored to be 70 % more powerful than 2080 Ti, which would put it at 22 TF. Suddenly 12 TF look pretty average, don't they?
Gavin Stevens
Formerly 'o'dium'
You can stick 30tf cards in PCs, but until you make SSD a requirement and not an extra, you won’t be touching next gen console performance on pc.
On the flip side though, if you’re interested in pc gaming and don’t have an SSD anyway, you’re doing it wrong.
On the flip side though, if you’re interested in pc gaming and don’t have an SSD anyway, you’re doing it wrong.
Stuart360
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I REALLY cant wait for the inevitable 'Next gen vs PC' Youtube game comparison vids when the consoles launch lol.
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