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Next-Gen PS5 & XSX |OT| Console tEch threaD

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A ver si un alma caritativa me puede ayudar...

Lo que yo antes quería decir era:

"tres horas y media para dar un golpe... sobre la mesa o contra una pared."

In English please? :( help

If you need to relase any info or prepare a proper statement, just PM and I will translate it for you. I am from Malaga, working in England.

To put this very clear: There is no literal translation for what you meant but I think the people got the point.

PS: Also, if you want to leak the PS5 specs, I will leave you my number via PM so you can reach me at any time 24/7 ;)

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B_Boss

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This one looks pretty legit if you ask me...

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12-14Teraplots just like all the insiders have been saying all along...and RT powered by Cell 2 CPU. Cerny's done it again, the old dog!

Cell 2 :messenger_beaming:, homage to Kutaragi-san?
 

Disco_

Member
How did Sony stumble on Navi 10 in 2017 makes me wonder? RDNA is 7nm, but there was no 7nm in 2017? Why did AMD wait for mid 2019 to release 5700XT when they could have release it 2 years earlier? Why would Sony provide dev kits for next gen half a year after they released PS4 Pro and 3 years before actual system is released? Why did Github show 9.2TF chip being tested in summer of 2019 when it is supposed to be a chip found in 2017 devkit?

Hmm...so many questions...
Amd didn't wait to release Navi in 2019. It was originally planned for 2018. There's amd slides from 2016 and 2017 showing so.
As Panello, I think it was him, has pointed out, custom division clients have access to tech that's ~3 years out.
 
Tech guys on era say that’s not true that there’s a 40-CU cap on RDNA 1.

You can read for yourself too. There’s no mention of a 40-CU cap anywhere in the RDNA whitepaper which is commonly referenced as the source of that BS.

AMD even goes out of their way to mention that the amount of shader arrays (and evening composition of the CUs) scalable, and only uses the 5700 XT layout as reference. Source:https://www.amd.com/system/files/documents/rdna-whitepaper.pdf


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If you need to relase any info or prepare a proper statement, just PM and I will translate it for you. I am from Malaga, working in England.

To put this very clear: There is no literal translation for what you meant but I think the people got the point.

PS: Also, if you want to leak the PS5 specs, I will leave you my number via PM so you can reach me at any time 24/7 ;)

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Yo de Valencia compañero 👍

Is it supposed that within half an hour the date of the PS5 presentation event will be announced?
 
How did Sony stumble on Navi 10 in 2017 makes me wonder? RDNA is 7nm, but there was no 7nm in 2017? Why did AMD wait for mid 2019 to release 5700XT when they could have release it 2 years earlier? Why would Sony provide dev kits for next gen half a year after they released PS4 Pro and 3 years before actual system is released? Why did Github show 9.2TF chip being tested in summer of 2019 when it is supposed to be a chip found in 2017 devkit?

Hmm...so many questions...
TSMC's 7nm has been in development for fucking ages. Volume production for it began in April 2018, which means risk production and testing will have been taking place in 2017 quite easily. And as has been mentioned numerous times, Navi has been in the pipeline since Vega launched.

It's exactly the same thing as 5nm currently being in development with Zen 4, even though TSMC is only just readying N7+ for volume production with Zen 3 this year.
Fabs and integrated circuit designers begin working together well in advanced of a new process node actually being launched for mass-production. That's the only way the fabs can avoid sitting around idle for 2-3 years while the likes of AMD, Apple, Qualcomm and Nvidia hastily hash together new architectures.
 
At the brink of a pandemic and potential worldwide financial crisis we should expect both Sony and MS to be weary of divulging much more information, particularly price, anytime soon.

Before any of this even started hitting, Sony was apparently worried about the BOM and coming out with a competitive price. Now they (and MS) are probably getting kicked in the nards on supply chain, costs, prospects of a recession, and the possibility of lower and slower sales out the gate.

My guess is all the publishers are equally worried about lower initial nextgen sales impacting their choices to invest in nextgen games.

In other words, besides some neat online presentations from MS I'm guessing we won't hear much of anything substantial from either team until closer to May or June until they can hold out no longer. I bet some game announcements are even getting delayed.
 

Null_Key

Neo Member
I'm new to Neogaf and signed up to get some info to see if anyone knew any info about PS5. While I don't work in gaming industry I do work in the related field of Security, Common Criteria, etc. What I would honestly like to know is why are people so threatened about PS5 being weaker or stronger than Xbox, when the most important factor is games and experience? From a fan perspective both platforms have something to offer for everyone, and talking about specs as if it constitutes gaming platform supremacy is petty. Whether PS5 turns out to be 9.2TF or 13-14 Teraflops, the experience of those games is what is most important. Most people don't even have 8K tv, even a 4K TV to support some of the refresh rates people are bragging about. I also seen people nag and treat people like Osiris, Vet, etc (insiders) poorly for saying what they heard, but I'm hear to tell you that as someone who works in I.T. industry, insiders is just that, someone who are able to get a piece of information through second or third party means, technically they could all be right or all could be be wrong, but vast number of manufacturers typically deal with multiple types of prototypes at any given time up until the parts have to be manufactured. Secondly 3rd Party studios may not get the same development kit, in order to insure that the trade secret remains a secret, I doubt outside of Son'y own Studio and maybe some 3rd party with absolutely strong NDA have real access to what the system is capable of. It would be a career suicide from someone to outright release these specs to the public without Sony's consent. It's also possible that Sony's internal circle don't truly have these specs either, outside of Mark Cerny, his team and senior management, due to how business generally operate to protect the integrity of information, this is called compartmentalization, which only certain departments in a internal organization have certain pieces of the puzzles, and only certain individuals has access to all. When patents of the device isn't quite available to the public, then it's a trade secret and they protect it my piece mealing it together. Now individuals who says they have definitive information is also likely wrong here, without leak from a senior management from Sony leaking( extremely unlikely) due to impact on it's place as a publicly traded company, and the threat of being blacklisted, they wouldn't release information intentionally. Now from what I have witnessed the pass couple of generation Xbox and PlayStation will probably will have simliar specs, but unlikely to have 30 percent difference is specs, without risking being 30 percent or more expensive.

My Speculation and to crush some dreams out there:

-PS5 will not be 14 TF or 13 TF either, not because they can't but because the risk to business it's associated with it as a console manufacturer. Cost is only part of the equation, yield, heating issues in the enclosure all factors in, to be honest I was surprised Xbox Series X was 12 TF because thats a considerable upgrade, so i'm interested in seeing what the price is going to be.
-PS5 will most likely not be 9 TF either, mostly because of what insiders like heisen and osiris has said that the performance is relatively close, they might not have the most accurate specs on the device, but the ability to get info on the latest games and performance from 3rd party is invaluable when making a speculation on specs, and I have said above it's most likey only Sony's internal management and Mark Cerny having the true specs of this thing. My assumptions is that is will fall in between 10.5-12.5 TF range which is more than enough for next generation games folks, its nothing to scuff at or be angry about.
- I think 499 is probably the sweet spot this generation price point and the most likely price point for both devices are aiming to be, granted I wouldn't be surprised if Xbox end up costing more than PS5 if PS5 specs was overall lower( 12TF is no joke is performance nor price.)
-Die size doesn't allow you to know the CU count folks, because we really don't know what customization has been done on it. Esram ram is for example occupies space, we don't know what type of specialization these devices has like instructions que, etc, we can speculate based on PC counter part, but outside of that these units resembles more of the RISC based SOCs than a generally CISC based architecture we are all used to on PC platform.

I think we can all agree than both platforms will be amazing and have some exciting games yet to be seen.
 

Roronoa Zoro

Gold Member
At the brink of a pandemic and potential worldwide financial crisis we should expect both Sony and MS to be weary of divulging much more information, particularly price, anytime soon.

Before any of this even started hitting, Sony was apparently worried about the BOM and coming out with a competitive price. Now they (and MS) are probably getting kicked in the nards on supply chain, costs, prospects of a recession, and the possibility of lower and slower sales out the gate.

My guess is all the publishers are equally worried about lower initial nextgen sales impacting their choices to invest in nextgen games.

In other words, besides some neat online presentations from MS I'm guessing we won't hear much of anything substantial from either team until closer to May or June until they can hold out no longer. I bet some game announcements are even getting delayed.
Sony at least has big games launching to minimize the next gen thirst. Once last of us comes out they should get a little of a boon
 

PaNaMa

Banned
I'm new to Neogaf and signed up to get some info to see if anyone knew any info about PS5. While I don't work in gaming industry I do work in the related field of Security, Common Criteria, etc. What I would honestly like to know is why are people so threatened about PS5 being weaker or stronger than Xbox, when the most important factor is games and experience? From a fan perspective both platforms have something to offer for everyone, and talking about specs as if it constitutes gaming platform supremacy is petty. Whether PS5 turns out to be 9.2TF or 13-14 Teraflops, the experience of those games is what is most important. Most people don't even have 8K tv, even a 4K TV to support some of the refresh rates people are bragging about. I also seen people nag and treat people like Osiris, Vet, etc (insiders) poorly for saying what they heard, but I'm hear to tell you that as someone who works in I.T. industry, insiders is just that, someone who are able to get a piece of information through second or third party means, technically they could all be right or all could be be wrong, but vast number of manufacturers typically deal with multiple types of prototypes at any given time up until the parts have to be manufactured. Secondly 3rd Party studios may not get the same development kit, in order to insure that the trade secret remains a secret, I doubt outside of Son'y own Studio and maybe some 3rd party with absolutely strong NDA have real access to what the system is capable of. It would be a career suicide from someone to outright release these specs to the public without Sony's consent. It's also possible that Sony's internal circle don't truly have these specs either, outside of Mark Cerny, his team and senior management, due to how business generally operate to protect the integrity of information, this is called compartmentalization, which only certain departments in a internal organization have certain pieces of the puzzles, and only certain individuals has access to all. When patents of the device isn't quite available to the public, then it's a trade secret and they protect it my piece mealing it together. Now individuals who says they have definitive information is also likely wrong here, without leak from a senior management from Sony leaking( extremely unlikely) due to impact on it's place as a publicly traded company, and the threat of being blacklisted, they wouldn't release information intentionally. Now from what I have witnessed the pass couple of generation Xbox and PlayStation will probably will have simliar specs, but unlikely to have 30 percent difference is specs, without risking being 30 percent or more expensive.

My Speculation and to crush some dreams out there:

-PS5 will not be 14 TF or 13 TF either, not because they can't but because the risk to business it's associated with it as a console manufacturer. Cost is only part of the equation, yield, heating issues in the enclosure all factors in, to be honest I was surprised Xbox Series X was 12 TF because thats a considerable upgrade, so i'm interested in seeing what the price is going to be.
-PS5 will most likely not be 9 TF either, mostly because of what insiders like heisen and osiris has said that the performance is relatively close, they might not have the most accurate specs on the device, but the ability to get info on the latest games and performance from 3rd party is invaluable when making a speculation on specs, and I have said above it's most likey only Sony's internal management and Mark Cerny having the true specs of this thing. My assumptions is that is will fall in between 10.5-12.5 TF range which is more than enough for next generation games folks, its nothing to scuff at or be angry about.
- I think 499 is probably the sweet spot this generation price point and the most likely price point for both devices are aiming to be, granted I wouldn't be surprised if Xbox end up costing more than PS5 if PS5 specs was overall lower( 12TF is no joke is performance nor price.)
-Die size doesn't allow you to know the CU count folks, because we really don't know what customization has been done on it. Esram ram is for example occupies space, we don't know what type of specialization these devices has like instructions que, etc, we can speculate based on PC counter part, but outside of that these units resembles more of the RISC based SOCs than a generally CISC based architecture we are all used to on PC platform.

I think we can all agree than both platforms will be amazing and have some exciting games yet to be seen.

Imagine you are buying a gaming PC off Newegg. Two models to choose from, both around $2000. Which one do you buy and why?
 

rntongo

Banned
Sure they did. 360 came out a year earlier and games looked better, had better frame rates and many third party games even had better res.

you also ignored the 120/240 FPS part.

but that’s ok, selective responding.
This is not an accurate response to the claim. Xbox 360 had a better system architecture i.e a better balance of hardware design that led to better visuals from the get go. But the PS3's cell processor actually provided higher overall compute power. It was marketed as a "teraflop" machine but the catch was that the developers had to spend a lot more time figuring out how to develop for it. In fact, the PS3 Cell processor was so powerful next gen consoles had roughly the same CPU power.

Regardless, MSFT has proved they can make solid consoles with the original Xbox, the 360 and the One X. On the other hand, the PS4 pro was simply created to hit a 4k target and not to blur the line between next gen and current gen(Cerny's words). So they didn't aim too high. The One X was MSFT proving that they can develop high quality products that deliver the best visuals in response to the weak Xbox One. So the two consoles were meant to achieve internal goals and not beat the other so they do not count.

In light of this we can say:
PS3 had overall more power but 360 had better system architecture.
PS4 had more power and better capability to produce high quality visuals than One X.
PS4 pro and One X both achieved their 4k goals.
Series X has set a great precedent for what to expect this gen with 12 Tflops on RDNA 2.0. If history is anything to go by then we should more than expect Sony to provide a comparatively powerful machine.

Not bashing your point but wanted to put it into perspective.
 

Sosokrates

Report me if I continue to console war
If Sony were more powerful you would think that they would of reacted some way to the 12tf news from Phil. Why let Xbox bask in its 12tf glory? It would of been a megaton if Sony tweeted "13.2TFLOPS" after the Spencer article. It is odd and not like Sony, Sony like to react quite dynamnicly.
 
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