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Next-Gen PS5 & XSX |OT| Console tEch threaD

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Gavin Stevens

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tflopsmatter

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Burrito Bandito said:
honestly, if you are expecting 13 or 14 tflops then im afraid you are being delusional.

1. we already know the actual form factor of the ps5 is not tower-like, judging off the dev kits. This wouldnt support the cooling enough for a 13-14 tflop console

2. we already know the manufacturing cost is $400-450, if the article is to believed (more reliable than forum “insiders” btw) which again does not supper a 13-14tflop console

3. the only hard evidence we have of anything are the chip leaks and github, none of which point to anything close to 14tflop

4. the only thing that has ever suggested 13-14 was possible were forum/twitter “insiders” with 2nd/3rd hand knowledge. in fact they could even all be getting their info from the same source

5. sony is sony and they are petty. If they were more powerful they would have said so now just to overshadow microsofts 12flop reveal
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No, we are not being delusional. We don't need a tower to provide enough cooling. There are a number of different form factors that would provide enough cooling to support a 13-14 Tflop GPU. The key thing is that more money would need to be spent on the cooling mechanisms and the case would have to be larger. Personally, I LOVE the design of the Devkits. I also don't think the article is to be believed. We don't know how much they are spending on the PS5. Also, the github leak doesn't make sense at all. There was no way Sony would run a chip that fast in the PS5. It would be absolutely stupid to run a chip so fast that it starts producing a ton of heat for very small boosts in frequency. The obvious choice would be to add more CUs.

I also believe that the insiders that spoke in support of a PS5 with 10% more Tflops than the new XBox are credible and are going to turn out to have accurate information.

There's no way Sony would have a 9.2 Tflop GPU in the PS5 much less one that is reduced down even lower.
 
Koopatrol

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TheHiddenOne said:
Well I hope everyone had a good laugh.
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Well, you were the one who posted it after it was up for 30 minutes. I'm not making any claims, BUT...

Nah, we really only have ourselves to blame anyway.

CrustyBritches said:
This one looks pretty legit if you ask me...

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12-14Teraplots just like all the insiders have been saying all along...and RT powered by Cell 2 CPU. Cerny's done it again, the old dog!
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Ahh yes, Kugoson. This has to be it.
 
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Moridianae

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I'm not seeing the adequate reactions here-- I'll start.


Nothing! Absolutely nothing! Things are incredibly wonky at Sony HQ. I guess they are panicking and totally on the back foot here! For shame! What is happening?????

Pack it up, ladies and gents! This is 8-9TF confirmed, I can't..I..

*sobs*

Github!

MisterXmedia!

Blue person Twitter!

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Suboptimal.

>_>
 
Mendou

Mendou

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Lone Wolf said:
To everyone stating 13 or 14 TF, please tell us the price you expect the PS5 to launch at?
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$600
Sony isn't a stranger to high prices or crazy systems like the PS3. The PS4 was a safe bet for them considering the losses they took developing the Cell processor for the PS3, and yet the system still sold more than the Xbox 360. This time around, if they sell it for $600 again they wouldn't suffer the same losses. They're outsourcing the development of the Chip to AMD and getting a sustained income from PSN.
 
TherapistGaymer

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On Demand said:
It's strange that he posted that from the Desetera as if those posters are confirming anything. They're just speculating as anybody else. Yet he screen capped it as if in a gold played frame and official.



Well that's the current data we have so yeah of course it's going to be discussed. The thing is it's incomplete data that's people are treating as fact.
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That's because he is the nicer version of Timdog. He still has the agenda but without all the extra. I can dig it lol. He still isn't satisfied with XSX being 12 tflps. Once Sony announced I can see people just being greatful. Not sure what the lurking is for.
 
trancefreak64

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CrustyBritches said:
That design is awesome. Made by Xbox Pope, who has all sorts of cool shit he makes. I had the Halo MC 360 wayyy back in the day, but it didn't look this good.

Funny you say that, because earlier I was joking how I'll be getting my boys Lockharts, so I hope they're affordable. A 10 and 12yr-old with their track record of console treatment don't need $500+ units. Although, I do admit they've been pretty good to their X1S's and their new Switch Lites.
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Ya good shit, I can't fucking wait to get a new Xbox. I will most likely wait until there is a limited edition bundle as well. BTW thanks for the link, I really dig this guys skills, so I followed him on Twitter.
 
thicc_girls_are_teh_best

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Mendou said:
Here are some of the most interesting leaks I found:


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Given Sony's custom solutions in the past, it sounds believable that they would make as much use as possible with the hardware they're given. With how excited they are about their SSD, I can just imagine Cerny's grin if he ever read this.


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The jump between the PS4 to the PS4 Pro was to double the compute units that they had from 18 to 36. That was twice the compute units for their mid-generation jump for the same $400. For the PS5, I don't believe they would simply add another 18 compute units. They would instead once again multiply the compute units by two - meaning that the 36 compute units in the PS4 Pro would become 72 compute units for their next generation console.

Supposing that in 2017 they wanted to release the ~8tf PS5 in 2019 for $400 only to later change plans, a good argument can be made that it's too late to create a new chip between that time frame. This would be solved however if they decided to instead use two of their already-developed 36cu chip to make a 72cu PS5. There are however a few assumptions with this theory that need to be noted:
1. They'll be willing to take a bigger loss on this new system given the success of PSN and greater competition from Microsoft.
2. They could renegotiate with AMD to buy more chips at a lower cost.
3. The Bloomberg article's source is untrustworthy about the $450 BOM.
4. Sony is willing to price their 'premium' console at or above $500.


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If my theory is true, then the expensive cooling solution hinted at with the Bloomberg article wasn't particularly to cool a 2GHZ chip, but to instead cool the dual chip setup that once they realised what Microsoft was up to.

Don't get too excited though. This is my own speculation.

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People do realize that a PS5 with those specs is going to come in at over $600, right? Probably even near $700. I mean there are people right now thinking XSX is going to be $600 at 12TF (and still sell at a loss).

I mean, your idea sounds good for a PS5 Pro but I'd rather a PS5 Pro 2-3 years from now that can easily hit around 18TF (or more) of RDNA3, maybe even RDNA4, and that would actually be sensibly priced for $399/$499 in 2022/2023.

Can't see this being realistic for base PS5, and it'd be a bit too low spec-wise for a PS5 Pro in about 3 years from now (keep in mind PS4 Pro was about 2.3x the power of base PS4).

Another thing too is, Sony's never really been reactionary to a competitor's product just out of need for more power. They didn't delay and redesign PS1 when N64 was going to come out stronger (tho limited by carts). They didn't delay or redesign the PS2 when Gamecube and Xbox were about to come and eat its lunch in specs. They did delay and somewhat redesign PS3 but that was due to blu-ray needing more time, and them cocking up with using Cell as a GPU (resulting in the hastily added RTX chip). And they didn't delay PS4 Pro and redesign that when they likely knew Xbox One X was coming a year later and more powerful at that.

In short, it's not Sony's MO and I can't see them having panicked or hastily redesigned PS5 simply because of what MS is up to. That's not befitting of a leader in the industry and would make me worry about future actions from them to come later on regarding the PS business because if MS's plans were enough to spook them into redesigning PS5 almost from scratch, that wouldn't be the only thing that puts Sony on the defensive going forward in the gen, and it wouldn't instill me with a lot of confidence honestly.

PS5 could be 9, could be 9.2, could be 10.4, could be 11.04, could be 12, could be 13 could be 14. 10.4-11.04 seems most probable and still optimistic to me, but wherever they land, even if it's lower than that range, they'll be fine. I just want them to act like a company with a vision and completely changing PS5 over MS's plans doesn't sound like a company with a lot of backbone in their vision to me.
 
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TheThreadsThatBindUs

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darkinstinct said:
The reason for why Sony chose just 40 CU is simple: Because they went with RDNA for that 2019 launch and RDNA only supports 40 CU max.
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Why just make something like this up and try to state it as fact?

Did you honestly believe no-one here was informed enough to spot and call out your BS?

There is no 40CU limit to the RDNA microarchitecture; 2019 implementation or otherwise.

If you'd even taken the most cursory glance at the AMD whitepaper which explains how the architecture is fundamentally designed for greater scalability (especially versus GCN), you would realise how absurd you sound trying to claim something like this.
 
M1chl

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thicc_girls_are_teh_best said:
People do realize that a PS5 with those specs is going to come in at over $600, right? Probably even near $700. I mean there are people right now thinking XSX is going to be $600 at 12TF (and still sell at a loss).

I mean, your idea sounds good for a PS5 Pro but I'd rather a PS5 Pro 2-3 years from now that can easily hit around 18TF (or more) of RDNA3, maybe even RDNA4, and that would actually be sensibly priced for $399/$499 in 2022/2023.

Can't see this being realistic for base PS5, and it'd be a bit too low spec-wise for a PS5 Pro in about 3 years from now (keep in mind PS4 Pro was about 2.3x the power of base PS4).

Another thing too is, Sony's never really been reactionary to a competitor's product just out of need for more power. They didn't delay and redesign PS1 when N64 was going to come out stronger (tho limited by carts). They didn't delay or redesign the PS2 when Gamecube and Xbox were about to come and eat its lunch in specs. They did delay and somewhat redesign PS3 but that was due to blu-ray needing more time, and them cocking up with using Cell as a GPU (resulting in the hastily added RTX card). And they didn't delay PS4 Pro and redesign that when they likely knew Xbox One X was coming a year later and more powerful at that.

In short, it's not Sony's MO and I can't see them having panicked or hastily redesigned PS5 simply because of what MS is up to. That's not befitting of a leader in the industry and would make me worry about future actions from them to come later on regarding the PS business because if MS's plans were enough to spook them into redesigning PS5 almost from scratch, that wouldn't be the only thing that puts Sony on the defensive going forward in the gen, and it wouldn't instill me with a lot of confidence honestly.

PS5 could be 9, could be 9.2, could be 10.4, could be 11.04, could be 12, could be 13 could be 14. 10.4-11.04 seems most probable and still optimistic to me, but wherever they land, even if it's lower than that range, they'll be fine. I just want them to act like a company with a vision and completely changing PS5 over MS's plans doesn't sound like a company with a lot of backbone in their vision to me.
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Realistically it would probably bankrupt poor Souny.
 
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