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Next-Gen PS5 & XSX |OT| Console tEch threaD

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BlacknGold_Blood

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Gudji said:
PS4 PRO = 4.2 TF -> released in 2016
XBO X = 6 TF -> released in 2017
  • One year difference between them, higher BOM for XBO X.
  • Difference in performance = 42%

PS5 (Oberon) = 9.2 TF -> Holiday 2019 release
XSX = 12 TF -> Holiday 2020
  • One year difference between them, probably different BOMs
  • Difference in performance = 30%

Does this look familiar to any of you? For me It's like 2+2.
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Square that with Jason Schreier saying the GPU’s of both consoles are more powerful than an RTX 2080.
 
FERN

FERN

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splattered said:
Don't worry guys, Sony has a PLAN!

Say it with me... Feb-Mar-Apr-Maaaaay never come.

Dammit.
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Thorrgal

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darkinstinct said:
No, the hardware for the 2019 launch would've been Ariel at 8 TF. Oberon was still in development in December 2019. Oberon is the replacement of the original 8 TF plan, clocked a bit higher and with raytracing added on top. Ever wondered why for that Wired article, Cerny didn't show raytracing even though he talked about it? Because it didn't exist back then. He was just talking about what would be in the revised Oberon APU.

The reason for why Sony chose just 40 CU is simple: Because they went with RDNA for that 2019 launch and RDNA only supports 40 CU max. A redesign of Ariel was manageable, they just had to add the raytracing hardware. Going to RDNA2 would've meant a completely new design and set them back until 2021.
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Lol don't make shit up
 
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tflopsmatter

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Fdkenzo said:
The Xbox fanboys will Say that is imposible, its 9,2TF!
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Yep. They are determined to prove that the PS5 will be a gimped piece of garbage. However, I'm convinced it will be at least twelve teraflops. Anything else doesn't make sense. I also think that most likely Sony would want to go for twelve point six teraflops so they can claim it has the three times the TFLOPS of the PS4 Pro.

Another topic I want to discuss is the fact that so many people are trying to say that a 9.2 Tflop PS5 would be amazing because it would be RDNA flops instead of GCN flops. The truth is that EVERY generation of consoles has a massive improvement in architecture. The fact that we are getting a new architecture doesn't mean ANYTHING. I don't think there is any evidence that the leap from GCN to RDNA is a greater boost than the change from the NVIDIA GPU in the PS3 to the PS4. What matters is TFLOPS. If you don't get a decent leap in TFLOPS, you do not have a generational leap.
 
thicc_girls_are_teh_best

thicc_girls_are_teh_best

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M1chl said:
Realistically it would probably bankrupt poor Souny.
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I wouldn't say that much, but it would definitely put a bit of a hurt on their pockets, especially this early on. But for a PS5 Pro? Can easily see it (actually more tbh) 2-3 years from now.

But there're other issues with that particular dual-GPU theory on technical side that've probably been mentioned dozens of times by now.

TheBreezyBB said:
9/11/2020
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Hell no.
 
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-Jay-Rod-

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CrustyBritches said:
This one looks pretty legit if you ask me...

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12-14Teraplots just like all the insiders have been saying all along...and RT powered by Cell 2 CPU. Cerny's done it again, the old dog!
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GameStop​
Full 8K TV support
Bespoke 8-core AMD chipset
3D Audio
Built-for-purpose SSD storage
Backwards compatibility with PS4 games/PSVR hardware
Ray tracing capabilities​
 
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tflopsmatter

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The idea that a PS5 with a 14 TFLOP GPU would cost 700 dollars is ridiculous. I think that at most it would cost Sony 550 dollars and they would sell it for 499 at a fifty dollar loss.
 
01011001

01011001

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tflopsmatter said:
The idea that a PS5 with a 14 TFLOP GPU would cost 700 dollars is ridiculous. I think that at most it would cost Sony 550 dollars and they would sell it for 499 at a fifty dollar loss.
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are you crazy? are you aware how much a 14TF graphics card costs?

buying chips in bulk isn't magically shrinking that price to below 200 which it would need to reach to make this price even remotely feasible.

the APU of the PS4 which back when it was new used an already almost 2 year old mid range AMD gpu equivalent that cost $250 (when it lanuched and way less by the time the PS4 came out)... and that APU cost sony $100.
with that $100 APU they still only just about managed to sell the PS4 at $400

you are literally crazy...
 
bitbydeath

bitbydeath

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01011001 said:
are you crazy? are you aware how much a 14TF graphics card costs?

buying chips in bulk isn't magically shrinking that price to below 200 which it would need to reach to make this price even remotely feasible.

the APU of the PS4 which back when it was new used an already almost 2 year old mid range AMD gpu equivalent that cost $250 (when it lanuched and way less by the time the PS4 came out)... and that APU cost sony $100.
with that $100 APU they still only just about managed to sell the PS4 at $400

you are literally crazy...
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Cheaper than PS3’s Blu-Ray drive at least.
 
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BlacknGold_Blood

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darkinstinct said:
No, the hardware for the 2019 launch would've been Ariel at 8 TF. Oberon was still in development in December 2019. Oberon is the replacement of the original 8 TF plan, clocked a bit higher and with raytracing added on top. Ever wondered why for that Wired article, Cerny didn't show raytracing even though he talked about it? Because it didn't exist back then. He was just talking about what would be in the revised Oberon APU.

The reason for why Sony chose just 40 CU is simple: Because they went with RDNA for that 2019 launch and RDNA only supports 40 CU max. A redesign of Ariel was manageable, they just had to add the raytracing hardware. Going to RDNA2 would've meant a completely new design and set them back until 2021.
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Tech guys on era say that’s not true that there’s a 40-CU cap on RDNA 1.
 
01011001

01011001

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Roronoa Zoro said:
And PS4 was much more profitable than PS2 so Sony can afford even greater losses this time! $600 loss confirmed!
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omfg 🤣 can you imagine the stockholders when they would get wind of that lol.

I mean I would instantly buy a 500$ system that costs sony $1100 to make... imagine the fucking hardware in such a system lol
 
Roronoa Zoro

Roronoa Zoro

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01011001 said:
omfg 🤣 can you imagine the stockholders when they would get wind of that lol.

I mean I would instantly buy a 500$ system that costs sony $1100 to make... imagine the fucking hardware in such a system lol
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Unfortunately being that consumer friendly is ultimately unfriendly when your company goes out of business
 
CatLady

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KAL2006 said:
I was all in on PS5 being 8TF/9TF

Reasons
- GitHub leak
- Leak of BoM where Sony aimed for just over $400 but got but with price surge
- Sony's silence, Microsoft being so confidence and stating the TF first
- Series X console design being a PC tower, perhaps PS5 being a traditional size which means they can't hit 12TF
- 8-9TF isn't that bad it's a traditional jump in next gen power it's just MS went bonkers with 12TF

However on the flip side, I can see PS5 being 12TF
- Patent of disabling CUs for backwards compatibility, showing that Github leak isn't the full story
- No RT shown on GitHub when Sony announced they do have hardware raytracing
- Rumour Sony having issues getting Backwards compatibility perfect and GitHub could potentially be a Backwards compatibility test
- The idea Sony going for 36CU when One X even had more CU, is Cerny that incompetent?
- Sony being one of the first to be partners with AMD to develop Navi, can they really end up with such a bad deal when MS got the best hardware
- Sony just having shit communication lately in general so this silence is nothing to fear, remember when they talked about RT, then later confirmed its hardware when they could have just stated it to begin with
- Some insiders saying PS5 is stronger or nearly the same in power

It's a toss up, we can all speculate all day but in the end without another crazy leak or a official announcement we will never be 100 percent sure. I originally was leaning towards PS5 being 8-9TF now having thought about it longer it think it's a toss up.
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That's my thinking also, could go either way and I'm agnostic on which is the reality until there is an official announcement.
 
01011001

01011001

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Roronoa Zoro said:
Unfortunately being that consumer friendly is ultimately unfriendly when your company goes out of business
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I would bet on Google or Amazon buying their gaming division and continue supporting the system lol...

but yeah they would commit sudoku with such a move... it would be a crazy good system tho 🤷‍♂️ worth it!
 
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R600

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How did Sony stumble on Navi 10 in 2017 makes me wonder? RDNA is 7nm, but there was no 7nm in 2017? Why did AMD wait for mid 2019 to release 5700XT when they could have release it 2 years earlier? Why would Sony provide dev kits for next gen half a year after they released PS4 Pro and 3 years before actual system is released? Why did Github show 9.2TF chip being tested in summer of 2019 when it is supposed to be a chip found in 2017 devkit?

Hmm...so many questions...
 
Kumomeme

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JLB said:
devkits are usually much powerful than retail units.
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if i not mistaken for sony its not uncommon for devs kit had specs similliar to retail (im forgot about this..correct me if im wrong) but its common for devs kit to have higher ram than retail
 
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