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[Spreewaldgurke]

No.

The only joke is the 13.8 number.

It's very simple.

I one day put an EXAMPLE.

That example some users made a funny joke or misrepresentation.

I joined that joke with some users.

Based on that joke, using a real Gif (which I did to expose a real thought) I asked if they wanted to play a game, the game of guessing a nunver that was in that gif.

The game is not a joke, it is a game, wich some have wanted to play, and aspired to a real prize, a bullshit prize, but real. 13.8 is the answer, but it means nothing, just as it didn't mean anything the first time I wrote it.

Ok I understand. A bit sad tbh but I understand. It’s Sony’s information policy that is annoying for everybody!

I hope you like working with PS5 and the wait for more information is worth it.
Are you allowed to say something abt the things you can realize with PS5 that you couldn’t before?

 

[Bo_Hazem]

Bo_Hazem it needs more fans, I can see some dark in the bottom left corner

Might start a devastating tornado and destroy the whole neighborhood if I go for the extra mile.

 

[Sosokrates]

If I was going to be an insider I would come up with a cooler name then Tommy fisher, or is that his real name?

 

[FeiRR]

Might start a devastating tornado and destroy the whole neighborhood if I go for the extra mile.

I hope your LEDs are at least blinking. You know it adds a few TFs, right?

 

[Gavin Stevens]

I'll be honest, i expected all along PS5 will be 8-9TF, mostly because i know that Sony want to hit that 399$ and they may do some power sacrifices if they want to hit that target, but what make though recently that it may not be the case are few things:

- Devs saying PS5 and XSX are very close in power and performances.
- Sony equipping PS5 with an expansive/lavish Fan cooling
- Based BGs saying, it will be at least 10 TF.
- Tommy Fisher, yeah the screens could be fake, but he was 100% right about Xbox specs, and was the only insisting on the RDNA2.

It won’t be 9. It just won’t. The evidence of it being that are old, old builds before they changed course. I see why so many people think it will be 9, I really do, but it just won’t be. The two machines are close, so close that it won’t matter. This is a narrative that is being pushed constantly over and over again. And if that’s the case, it’s not possible for it to be 9. A flop in either direction for either system, is “close”. 11 & 12 or 12 & 13. Makes no difference. But that is close, to the point you won’t be running around bragging about one over the other like what happened at the start of this gen.

Its also brilliant because multiplats will essentially be the same, and that’s where most people play. It will let first party “do their thang”, while multiplats have it easy. Brilliant stuff.

As for Tommy... He did a lot of riding on why other people said, and posted it after the fact. And even then, a broken clock and all that...

 

[Nickolaidas]

PS4 Fan is intake. I just recently reapplied cooling paste, because my PS4Pro was loud as fuck.

For the PS5 I don't care how it looks, as long as it has a beefy cooler with a large slow spinning ventilator.

I hope you changed the thermal pads too. Once you open it up, air pressure 'ruins' them and they have to be replaced as well.

Or so I've read.

 

[M1chl]

Gavin Stevens Bo_Hazem What's with those box coolers bois?? You are not suppose to use them, they are like a weight in the box where CPU came from, so you feel like you bought something.

If I was going to be an insider I would come up with a cooler name then Tommy fisher, or is that his real name?

Tommy Fisher

 

[Gavin Stevens]

Gavin Stevens Bo_Hazem What's with those box coolers bois?? You are not suppose to use them, they are like a weight in the box where CPU came from, so you feel like you bough something.


Tommy Fisher

I keep getting told the same... But I can’t spend anymore on my rig until these two next generation consoles are out, just in case

 

[Bo_Hazem]

I hope your LEDs are at least blinking. You know it adds a few TFs, right?

Nope, that distracts me, that's why I keep them in static red only, haha! You can as well use a smart feature that they be green for 40C and below, yellow for 41-59C, red for 60C (CPU temperature). But I locked it to base 3.7Ghz to save the headache, I didn't need it as it rarely passes 55C when rendering. At 4.3Ghz it snaps and shuts down automatically reaching 95C at some point Need to upgrade CPU's fan or water-cool it if you are into risking it for minor performance boost.

One time all the case fans didn't spin for some malfunction, without light you can't notice that. Restarted it and they ran normally, only happened once. You better have it facing you because after all you're using Windows.

 

[Sosokrates]

It won’t be 9. It just won’t. The evidence of it being that are old, old builds before they changed course. I see why so many people think it will be 9, I really do, but it just won’t be. The two machines are close, so close that it won’t matter. This is a narrative that is being pushed constantly over and over again. And if that’s the case, it’s not possible for it to be 9. A flop in either direction for either system, is “close”. 11 & 12 or 12 & 13. Makes no difference. But that is close, to the point you won’t be running around bragging about one over the other like what happened at the start of this gen.

Its also brilliant because multiplats will essentially be the same, and that’s where most people play. It will let first party “do their thang”, while multiplats have it easy. Brilliant stuff.

As for Tommy... He did a lot of riding on why other people said, and posted it after the fact. And even then, a broken clock and all that...

On one hand the rumours point to ps5 being very close to xsx. But when I think from a logical and business perspective a cheaper 8-10tf machine just makes more sense for sony, going for the premium high end route gave Sony a lot of problems, Sony's most successful consoles (PS1,PS2 and PS4) have never been about being the most powerful, it seems completely backwards to throw out the strategy which gave them so much success out the window.

A $399 9tf machine is just a lot more attractive to me then a $499 12-13tflop machine.
Games on my 1X and pro still blow me away.

 

[FeiRR]

Gavin Stevens Bo_Hazem What's with those box coolers bois?? You are not suppose to use them, they are like a weight in the box where CPU came from, so you feel like you bought something.

It's a common misconception created to make you spend more money. If you don't overclock, the stock cooler should be enough. Mine's been there for 7 years with no issues.

 

[EnergyStar]

I don't know. Who do you think is a more important partner for those suppliers? Sony or Microsoft? Based on the sales I wolud say Sony.

If Sony wants to delay PS5 they should let us know sooner rather than later. PS4 sales are decreasing rapidly. Maybe when people will know that PS5 is not going to be on the market as soon as they thought they will buy PS4 instead.

 

[Bo_Hazem]

Gavin Stevens Bo_Hazem What's with those box coolers bois?? You are not suppose to use them, they are like a weight in the box where CPU came from, so you feel like you bought something.

It's OEM fan (Wriath Prism) and it's decent to cool the CPU and the surrounding parts as well. Just don't push it and remember to switch it to high (small switch on the frame) before closing the case. Funny fact is, the whole thing is dead-silent, I expected some "sound" at least.

If you want something better then go with massive CPU fan/s or liquid cooling (the later is unpredictable and can go wrong pretty badly). As long as you keep it like 4.0GHz max for Ryzen 7 2700x you should be ok with the OEM fan, but I locked it from the bios at base 3.7Ghz because I don't game on it and for better longevity.

 

[xiaoming10086]

I hope your LEDs are at least blinking. You know it adds a few TFs, right?

*A few INFINITE TFs*

 

[it_wasn't_me]

It won’t be 9. It just won’t. The evidence of it being that are old, old builds before they changed course. I see why so many people think it will be 9, I really do, but it just won’t be. The two machines are close, so close that it won’t matter. This is a narrative that is being pushed constantly over and over again. And if that’s the case, it’s not possible for it to be 9. A flop in either direction for either system, is “close”. 11 & 12 or 12 & 13. Makes no difference. But that is close, to the point you won’t be running around bragging about one over the other like what happened at the start of this gen.

Its also brilliant because multiplats will essentially be the same, and that’s where most people play. It will let first party “do their thang”, while multiplats have it easy. Brilliant stuff.

It does make a difference. 1 TF difference isn't meaningless, if there will be a 1 TF difference between the two

Let's see how other components and features will hold up.

 

[Gavin Stevens]

I don't know. Who do you think is a more important partner for those suppliers? Sony or Microsoft? Based on the sales I wolud say Sony.

If Sony wants to delay PS5 they should let us know sooner rather than later. PS4 sales are decreasing rapidly. Maybe when people will know that PS5 is not going to be on the market as soon as they thought they will buy PS4 instead.

So AMD will fuck over Microsoft, who are quite possibly their largest buyer of technology from them with regard to everything “else” they buy...?

That doesn’t hold up, and neither side will be given a bad deal.

Bad deals can be made, however. If you don’t negotiate for the best prices on the right hardware. But AMD are hardly going to go up to Sony and say “wow guys good job on selling double the Xbox! Let’s ignore the other few hundred million things we sell to MS, and...How about a deal?”

 

[Bo_Hazem]

It's a common misconception created to make you spend more money. If you don't overclock, the stock cooler should be enough. Mine's been there for 7 years with no issues.

Yup, it's pretty good. Overclocking is good if you have a youtube channel and love wasting your parts.

 

[THE:MILKMAN]

PS4 Pro Dev Kit

Very interesting. I see they reverted back to the clamshell design for the RAM. Does that mean the kit has 16GB? Or are the chips 512MB vs 1GB? I can't quite make out the product code on the chips...

I remember a single poster here and/or at reset claiming the Pro dev kit had 16GB RAM but I couldn't understand why it would be so.

 

[oxman2k]

So the facts are no one on this thread knows what the PS5tf are and whether it has RDNA2 it's all rumours,spec ,and BS. The most reliable source so far has been the github 9.2tf which i hope is wrong. Gaming is big business and Sony will wan't to make as much money as possible and a 9.2tf console that's much cheaper than the XSX is going to get them alot more sales and money than a 13tf expensive console that may sell at a loss.

 

[Bo_Hazem]

I don't know. Who do you think is a more important partner for those suppliers? Sony or Microsoft? Based on the sales I wolud say Sony.

If Sony wants to delay PS5 they should let us know sooner rather than later. PS4 sales are decreasing rapidly. Maybe when people will know that PS5 is not going to be on the market as soon as they thought they will buy PS4 instead.

I think "both" are important, and probably AMD suggest to Sony and MS to have similar die to lower the cost for both companies as well lower the cost for its upcoming graphic cards? A win-win situation?

 

[M1chl]

It's a common misconception created to make you spend more money. If you don't overclock, the stock cooler should be enough. Mine's been there for 7 years with no issues.

I don't like to waste money and run stock.

It's OEM fan (Wriath Prism) and it's decent to cool the CPU and the surrounding parts as well. Just don't push it and remember to switch it to high (small switch on the frame) before closing the case. Funny fact is, the whole thing is dead-silent, I expected some "sound" at least.

If you want something better then go with massive CPU fan/s or liquid cooling (the later is unpredictable and can go wrong pretty badly). As long as you keep it like 4.0GHz max for Ryzen 7 2700x you should be ok with the OEM fan, but I locked it from the bios at base 3.7Ghz because I don't game on it and for better longevity.

You definitely do not have to be concerned about that kind of stuff.

Anyway, I though you have something like 3900x, on Ryzen 7 is probably fine.

 

[Zero707]

hmmm next week lockhart will be revealed

 

[Bo_Hazem]

I hope you changed the thermal pads too. Once you open it up, air pressure 'ruins' them and they have to be replaced as well.

Or so I've read.

That's the case even with PC CPU, thermal paste is cheap and pretty good as well so you can use that?

 

[Gavin Stevens]

It does make a difference. 1 TF difference isn't meaningless, if there will be a 1 TF difference between the two

Let's see how other components and features will hold up.

Do we really need to go down this road again?

As you go higher in power, you also exponentially increase the power required for a noticeable gap due to the asset quality and power to render things also increasing. 1tf is essentially nothing, bar a couple FPS. It won’t allow you to do anything the other can’t, it won’t push insane 900p vs 1080p differences...

If the consoles were 2tf and 3tf you can bet your arse that a 1tf advantage would be big. At 11 and 12 or 12 and 13? No. Not really.

A difference of 12 and 13 in sonys favour is a percentage difference of 8%. A difference of 11 and 12 in Microsoft’s favour is 8.69%. Last gen the difference was something like 40%. So let’s for arguments sake totally ignore the fact that now you need more power to render high quality assets. Let’s just go with base resolution. You would now essentially be looking at a roughly 1000p vs 1080p image. Only wait it gets better, because the base line is 4k now. Think you could spot the difference on a blind test? Hell even under a DF zoom in, it would be tricky.

Trust me, this is not the hill or die on.

 

[The Shift]

I don't know. Who do you think is a more important partner for those suppliers? Sony or Microsoft? Based on the sales I wolud say Sony.

Microsoft is more important - especially in the long term:

AMD Xbox
AMD Surface
AMD Azure

 

[EnergyStar]

So AMD will fuck over Microsoft, who are quite possibly their largest buyer of technology from them with regard to everything “else” they buy...?

That doesn’t hold up, and neither side will be given a bad deal.

Bad deals can be made, however. If you don’t negotiate for the best prices on the right hardware. But AMD are hardly going to go up to Sony and say “wow guys good job on selling double the Xbox! Let’s ignore the other few hundred million things we sell to MS, and...How about a deal?”

Some guy from MS (Albert Panello iirc) said that Sony negotiated much better deal regarding RAM than MS for example. I am not saying anything about suppliers looking on console sales or ignoring somebody. They are looking on their own numbers a making decisions based on them.

Microsoft is more important - especially in the long term:

AMD Xbox
AMD Surface
AMD Azure

Yeah, you are probably right.

 

[it_wasn't_me]

Do we really need to go down this road again?

As you go higher in power, you also exponentially increase the power required for a noticeable gap due to the asset quality and power to render things also increasing. 1tf is essentially nothing, bar a couple FPS. It won’t allow you to do anything the other can’t, it won’t push insane 990p vs 1080p differences...

If the consoles were 2tf and 3tf you can bet your arse that a 1tf advantage would be big. At 11 and 12 or 12 and 13? No. Not really.

Why not? You had your parade here last week when MS announced 12 RDNA 2 for XSX last week.

If there will be a 1TF difference between the two, paired with maybe more RAM and faster SSD, there surely will be a difference. Lets see how other components and features will be paired with GPU.

 

[LED Guy?]

Do we really need to go down this road again?

As you go higher in power, you also exponentially increase the power required for a noticeable gap due to the asset quality and power to render things also increasing. 1tf is essentially nothing, bar a couple FPS. It won’t allow you to do anything the other can’t, it won’t push insane 900p vs 1080p differences...

If the consoles were 2tf and 3tf you can bet your arse that a 1tf advantage would be big. At 11 and 12 or 12 and 13? No. Not really.

The difference between 1.84 TF to 1.31 TF is 34% even though the difference in Flops between them is 0.53 TFlops (which can also mean 530 GFlops).

The difference between 13 TFs to 12 TFs is 8% so it is really way smaller than the difference between XB1 & PS4.

If XSX is 12 TFs and PS5 is 13 TFs then you really wouldn't see a difference, maybe if a game is using a dynamic resolution scaling technique, you would see XSX dropping down from 3840 X 2160 to a bit lower resolution more often than PS5 dropping its resolution, or maybe a 3 or 4 FPS difference.

That is literally all.

 

[xiaoming10086]

It does make a difference. 1 TF difference isn't meaningless, if there will be a 1 TF difference between the two

Let's see how other components and features will hold up.

Here is the different on 1TF.

Well technically, it has difference.

Edit :
Source:

 

[Gavin Stevens]

Some guy from MS (Albert Panello iirc) said that Sony negotiated much better deal regarding RAM than MS for example. I am not saying anything about suppliers looking on console sales or ignoring somebody. They are looking on their own numbers a making decisions based on them.

Last gen MS picked the slower and more expensive memory because at the time it got their tv tv tv box more, and yes, that bit them in the arse big time. They also shoved a kinect in the box which also pushed the cost up crazy high. It was t because somebody at AMD gave Sony a better deal, it was because last gen MS were really shit at making these decision and it bit them in the arse. They spent the whole of this generation fixing those mistakes, hence why the Xbox one x is such a well built machine, regardless of power.

 

[Fake]

Here is the different on 1TF.

Well technically, it has difference.

Dunno if this comparison matter take into consideration both will have different APIs.

 

[Gavin Stevens]

Here is the different on 1TF.

Well technically, it has difference.

Edit :
Source:

Another important thing to note is that a GOOD game will not hit 30fps bang on, or 60fps. They will essentially aim for 40 or whatever they set their target to, to allow an overhead, so that when capping at 30 it remains consistent with frame time.

So those few frames that could be lost wouldn’t even show to the end user...

 

[xiaoming10086]

Dunno if this comparison matter take into consideration both will have different APIs.

Probably will but not huge, or MS(SONY) will be talking how their API have more advantages over another rather than only reveal the TFs.

 

[it_wasn't_me]

Dealer? Really?

 

[TLZ]

Microsoft is more important - especially in the long term:

AMD Xbox
AMD Surface
AMD Azure

How many of these are there each? Maybe they still don't amount to more than 60mil combined? Yes they're important. But why would they be more important?

 

[EnergyStar]

Last gen MS picked the slower and more expensive memory because at the time it got their tv tv tv box more, and yes, that bit them in the arse big time. They also shoved a kinect in the box which also pushed the cost up crazy high. It was t because somebody at AMD gave Sony a better deal, it was because last gen MS were really shit at making these decision and it bit them in the arse. They spent the whole of this generation fixing those mistakes, hence why the Xbox one x is such a well built machine, regardless of power.

DDR3 was more expensive than GDDR5 at that time? I thought it was the other way around.

 

[Bo_Hazem]

-The number allways is a joke.

-The game was for fun.

-The gift was an avatar with the 13.8 number.

-The game is over early because my mailbox was saturanting and also because some users have told me (ryghtly) that it is not a good time to make games with riddles.

Please, dear BGs, you know that the vast majority here have great respect for your presence. But I feel you probably better avoid anything that might lead to something might hurt you or someone that works with you. I would be more than happy to know some riddles or let's say vague description of a next gen game that would be safe to give without being too specific

Muchas gracias!

 

[Handy Fake]

It's just my opinion, but...

I just can't see many poeple going for a lower SKU, it seems a pointless thing to me? Apart from over the holidays when unwitting parents buy their kids the wrong one, with tears on Christmas Day.

 

[Gavin Stevens]

DDR3 was more expensive than GDDR5 at that time? I thought it was the other way around.

Sorry I should word that better, the problem was that the eSRAM on the Xbox one was a larger die, and as such it made the whole memory part of the original
Xbox one more expensive than that of the ps4.

 

[xiaoming10086]

Microsoft is more important - especially in the long term:

AMD Xbox
AMD Surface
AMD Azure

Maybe MS is more important, but can AMD ignore sony?
Let me introduce you a famous SLANG in China.
"Only KIDS make choice, adults want it ALL ."(Sorry for the bad translation but you get what I mean)
Edit : *choices (You get how bad I am at English LOL)

 

[Fake]

Probably will but not huge, or MS(SONY) will be talking how their API have more advantages over another rather than only reveal the TFs.

I guess that comparison only matter between seX and Lockhart, if they indeed have an API close to directx 12.

 

[Moridianae]

This damned virus has really thrown the idea of next-gen out the window for 2020 for me of late.

I hope it will and still cling to it making it, but still feel like there will be huge supply constraints if they do make it out this year, unless it can be somewhat contained.

I know cases are decreasing in China, but more could show up elsewhere and it'll be some time before production returns to full capacity.

I think it affects Sony even moreso than Microsoft.

 

[Gavin Stevens]

It's just my opinion, but...

I just can't see many poeple going for a lower SKU, it seems a pointless thing to me? Apart from over the holidays when unwitting parents buy their kids the wrong one, with tears on Christmas Day.

You’re kidding?

Ok, look, I don’t agree with lockhart and I’ve never changed my stance on that. BUT...

Christmas time, birthday, whatever. Little Timmy wants an Xbox to play on his 32” super market bargain tv that barely does 1080p in his bedroom.

Do you buy him:

A) the console that plays all Xbox games, has ray tracing, high spec cpu, full memory, runs in 4k as standard, but is $499.99 - $599.99

B) the console that plays all Xbox games, has ray tracing, the same cpu, slightly lower memory as it’s not required, but does everything the other does in the same quality EXCEPT ITS IN 1080p Price: $299.99

Which is the better purchase for this parent in this situation? Hell even a cheaper than SX 9tf PS5 couldn’t compete there.

Remember, most people don’t even have a 4k set in their living room, never mind anything else.

As a parent, it’s clear as day which one they would get, to me anyway. And I don’t like lockhart lol

 

[THE:MILKMAN]

Dealer? Really?

I read Shinobi's tease too....

 

[The Shift]

How many of these are there each? Maybe they still don't amount to more than 60mil combined? Yes they're important. But why would they be more important?

In context to Sony - the 60 million console difference? It means Microsoft are operating in multiple product categories that are very pertinent to AMD's broader product offerings at scales of 10's-100's of billions of dollars in investment and potential sales. AMD desires some of that money Microsoft is investing, especially in the long term as is the case with Azure.

As for the question posed initially - no one should be given preferential treatment but there will more than likely be different negotiated margins on the APU customisations the clients have ordered among other factors.

 

[it_wasn't_me]

Here is the different on 1TF.

Well technically, it has difference.

Edit :
Source:

Yeah, besides GPU, other components are literally the same in this comparison. Between XSX and PS5 won't be.

 

[John254]

I read Shinobi's tease too....

sauce?

 

[it_wasn't_me]

I read Shinobi's tease too....

Shinobi, sure. No problem, but Dealer....or maybe he had heard from Shinobi.

 

[THE:MILKMAN]

Shinobi, sure. No problem, but Dealer....or maybe he had heard from Shinobi.

He read Shinobi's post ergo "heard".....IMO.

sauce?

Era. Not sure I can link?

 

[it_wasn't_me]

He read Shinobi's post ergo "heard".....IMO.

Yeah, read