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Next-Gen PS5 & XSX |OT| Console tEch threaD

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Gavin Stevens

Formerly 'o'dium'
Star Wars Kenners were like gold 10-15 years ago. I haven't checked their value in awhile but I've got a complete set of the entire line including Snaggletooth and Yak Face.

my dad and I collected them when I was younger, the only one we never got was the blue Snaggletooth. We did get yakface though.
 

Gavin Stevens

Formerly 'o'dium'
SlimySnake SlimySnake i believe I was the first person to mention they had a 11.5 target, and have recently updated that to 11.6, just FYI (yes even before BGs BGs as everybody thought he was on the 13ish train). Makes no difference in the scheme of things as that doesn’t appear the narrative you’re chasing.
 
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Bo_Hazem

Banned
Here we go with the Microsoft empire shit and talking about non console related aspects 🤦‍♂️

Lets hear the unlimited money chest argument bcus Microsoft is worth a trillion which has virtually no bearing on the gaming sector.

Companies worth is just bullshit, only means something if you wanna sell it. Revenue wise both companies are comparable with Sony barely inside or outside 100 companies list and MS at around late 70's. Good but I don't call it an empire with most products being shit.
 

Gediminas

Banned
Wanted to compile a list of all insiders here who have hinted at PS5 Specs (mostly tflops)

Gaf Insiders
  • Osiris - 12+
  • Heisenberg - First Source 9.5 Tflops (SIE dev?) Second Source 11+ tflops.
  • BGs - Hinting at 11-13+ tflops
  • WhispersInTheWind - 11 Tflops

Outside Insiders
  • Klee - 12+ tflops (based on his reaction to Series X being 12 tflops)
  • Ex Ubisoft Employe Britney - 14 tflops
  • Jason - >10.7 tflops


Not a single mention of 8 or 9.2 tflops. Things are not looking good for Github truthers.
stupidity is beyond endless space of those 9.2tf believers..
 
Wanted to compile a list of all insiders here who have hinted at PS5 Specs (mostly tflops)

Gaf Insiders
  • Osiris - 12+
  • Heisenberg - First Source 9.5 Tflops (SIE dev?) Second Source 11+ tflops.
  • BGs - Hinting at 11-13+ tflops
  • WhispersInTheWind - 11 Tflops

Outside Insiders
  • Klee - 12+ tflops (based on his reaction to Series X being 12 tflops)
  • Ex Ubisoft Employe Britney - 14 tflops
  • Jason - >10.7 tflops


Not a single mention of 8 or 9.2 tflops. Things are not looking good for Github truthers.

Heisenberg said few time ago now all his sources are in double digit for both consoles or not ?
 

SlimySnake

Flashless at the Golden Globes
the fact that lockhart exists adds more credence to 9.2 imo, or at least <12. Of course anything is possible but MS having two consoles weaker than ps5 would be a colossal failure on their research team. Having your “premium” model being weaker than your competitions base model would be embarrassing
we know MS has never done anything embarrassing before.

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SlimySnake

Flashless at the Golden Globes
SlimySnake SlimySnake i believe I was the first person to mention they had a 11.5 target, and have recently updated that to 11.6, just FYI (yes even before BGs BGs as everybody thought he was on the 13ish train). Makes no difference in the scheme of things as that doesn’t appear the narrative you’re chasing.
I will add you.

There is no narrative. I mentioned insiders who said 9.5 tflops. I just keep forgetting you are an insider. I had to re-edit my how can i hold all these insiders to add you.
 

Gavin Stevens

Formerly 'o'dium'
To be fair to MS, there was nothing wrong with that tshirt. It was true.

If you want to talk actual embarrassing shit, stuff that was meme central and atill is, how about Riiiiidge Racer? Giant enemy crab? FIVE HUNDRED AND NINETY NINE US DOLLARS? Get a second job...?

Come on man, all three companies have hd their share of cheese.
 

ethomaz

Banned
Just look at the BOM estimates for PS4 and Xbone, now minus the cost of the fabrication process. It's easy to extrapolate that the "licensing" fee AMD is collecting on these chips is nothing extraordinary. AMD has enterprise products with profit margins at 4 figures a pop. Value in all contracts is based on the net profit on the contract not on the number of widgets ordered. A contract for 10 widgets at $1,000 profit each is worth more than the contract for 1,000 widgets at $1 profit each. I'm sure both Sony and MS have similar contracts with AMD, AMD wants the business because they want ALL the business. However, the consoles aren't real revenue drivers for them. The console business was important when AMD was near bankruptcy because the contracts funded R&D that AMD otherwise couldn't afford, that isn't necessarily the case today.
The same is true about Surface.
 

Kdad

Member
To be fair to MS, there was nothing wrong with that tshirt. It was true.

If you want to talk actual embarrassing shit, stuff that was meme central and atill is, how about Riiiiidge Racer? Giant enemy crab? FIVE HUNDRED AND NINETY NINE US DOLLARS? Get a second job...?

Come on man, all three companies have hd their share of cheese.
The best was the God of War goat sacrifice 🐐🐐🐐
 

Fun Fanboy

Banned
To be fair to MS, there was nothing wrong with that tshirt. It was true.

If you want to talk actual embarrassing shit, stuff that was meme central and atill is, how about Riiiiidge Racer? Giant enemy crab? FIVE HUNDRED AND NINETY NINE US DOLLARS? Get a second job...?

Come on man, all three companies have hd their share of cheese.
Is that what's supposed to be embarrassing? A true fact written on the back of a t-shirt? Lol. Well I'll be.

And I see Tim in that picture, and southbound. Damn. I'm too far in front row on left to see me. :(

edit! I see me... hard to see, but white beanie on. Yay!
 
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Tripolygon

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the fact that lockhart exists adds more credence to 9.2 imo, or at least <12. Of course anything is possible but MS having two consoles weaker than ps5 would be a colossal failure on their research team. Having your “premium” model being weaker than your competitions base model would be embarrassing
I really don't understand this logic. How does another company having one strategy mean another company must fit in the middle of their strategy?

My point is Microsoft has their own strategy but Sony does not have to then conveniently fit in the middle just because.

Put another way, Apple has Highend, Mid and Low end. Samsung has a phone for just about every price range you can imagine. Neither company's strategy depends on the other fitting in the middle, they just want to appeal to the widest range of consumers as they can.
 
That is really close to TLOU2.
Less than 40 days apart. That's a first for sony. Usually when they release multiple exclusives within a year, they're about 3 months apart from each other, but in this instance, it's less than 40 days. That's quite unusual. But it's awesome to have 2 heavy hitters within the span two months (May-June), should keep gamers occupied until the Next gen drops!!!
 
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SlimySnake

Flashless at the Golden Globes
What's the embarrassing part of the pictures?
To be fair to MS, there was nothing wrong with that tshirt. It was true.

If you want to talk actual embarrassing shit, stuff that was meme central and atill is, how about Riiiiidge Racer? Giant enemy crab? FIVE HUNDRED AND NINETY NINE US DOLLARS? Get a second job...?

Come on man, all three companies have hd their share of cheese.
its just a joke.
 

ethomaz

Banned
Less than 40 days apart. That's a first for sony. Usually when they release multiple exclusives within a year, they're about 3 months apart from each other, but in this instance, it's less than 40 days. That's quite unusual. But it's awesome to have 2 heavy hitters within the span two months (May-June), should keep gamers occupied until the Next gen drops!!!
Maybe the TLOU2 delay messed a bit the plans.
It was probably March and June launches.
 

hardseppo

Member
I heard it is due to licensing and not because it is hard
yeah, my DoAX2 disc is in the X' drive permanently, in case Microsoft makes it backwards compatible one day. I guess it's due to music licensing issues as well. And I love my DoAX so much... hehehehe
 

LiquidRex

Member
Why would Microsoft release a base console at $299 which will be more powerful than the Xbox One X, and also have no plan to phase out the Xbox One & One X 🤔

They aren't interested in console sales, only Sony are.

Otherwise Microsoft would push for Full exclusives for the XSX only not holding off 12 to 18 months, so to cross platform games, thus extending the life cycle of the current consoles 🤔
 

demigod

Member
actually Matt from resetera few months back said with inclusion of surface and clouds blades MS is still smaller client than sony for AMD.

Funny, kdad made an assumption in the rdna 2 thread that all those services are worth more to amd than sony’s PlayStation yet he could not provide any proof. I didn’t know how many server blades they sell for MS but facts are there for xbox and surface.
 
Even with just 9.2 TF, the PS5 will end up with more impressive looking games than Xbox Series X.

I'm not talking about resolution, where Series X will likely have an advantage, I mean next-gen PS5 games will be able to target the hardware, will end up having more detail, larger worlds and greater scope.

Xbox Series X will not only be held back by Lockhart's 4 TF GPU but also the smaller RAM pool.

At the end of the day: Series X - higher pixel resolution - PS5 - more impressive graphics, more complex worlds.
 

Joho79

Member
Wanted to compile a list of all insiders here who have hinted at PS5 Specs (mostly tflops)

Gaf Insiders
  • Osiris - 12+
  • Heisenberg - First Source 9.5 Tflops (SIE dev?) Second Source 11+ tflops.
  • BGs - Hinting at 11-13+ tflops
  • WhispersInTheWind - 11 Tflops
  • o'dium - 11.5 tflops

Outside Insiders
  • Klee - 12+ tflops (based on his reaction to Series X being 12 tflops)
  • Ex Ubisoft Employe Britney - 14 tflops
  • Jason - >10.7 tflops


Not a single mention of 8 or 9.2 tflops. Things are not looking good for Github truthers.

A few days ago quite a few people took Tommy Fishers word as gospel. Today not so much. Just sayin..
 
Maybe the TLOU2 delay messed a bit the plans.
It was probably March and June launches.
From what I've seen, Dreams and The last of us Part 2 are a bit more than 3 months apart with one released in February and the other releasing in May. Perhaps sony is pushing down that path cause they're planning to talk more about the PS5 after Ghost releases? But that's just a wild guess.
 
Why would Microsoft release a base console at $299 which will be more powerful than the Xbox One X, and also have no plan to phase out the Xbox One & One X 🤔

They aren't interested in console sales, only Sony are.

Otherwise Microsoft would push for Full exclusives for the XSX only not holding off 12 to 18 months, so to cross platform games, thus extending the life cycle of the current consoles 🤔

Who said they aren't phasing out XBO and X? They just price-dropped the X to $299 recently, sounds like a phasing out to me.

We still don't know how exactly they're going to do cross-gen or even cross-platform support; we only know they are in fact going to do both. And we'll be seeing some cross-gen support from Sony as well or are people thinking there won't be PS5 versions of TLOU2, Dreams, Ghosts etc? Those are practically guaranteed.
 

UtmostPS

Neo Member
A new Ghost of Tsushima trailer and date reveal AND a new bts trailer DOOM Eternal focused on it’s music within the span of like 10 minutes I’m losing my mind rn.

Also I gotta say, was not expecting Ghost to be end of June I was betting more of an August/September release I’m happily surprised
 

Gavin Stevens

Formerly 'o'dium'
Even with just 9.2 TF, the PS5 will end up with more impressive looking games than Xbox Series X.

I'm not talking about resolution, where Series X will likely have an advantage, I mean next-gen PS5 games will be able to target the hardware, will end up having more detail, larger worlds and greater scope.

Xbox Series X will not only be held back by Lockhart's 4 TF GPU but also the smaller RAM pool.

At the end of the day: Series X - higher pixel resolution - PS5 - more impressive graphics, more complex worlds.

No, seriously. Where are the hidden cameras. The second person like this in an hour. This is a set up, right? Where’s Beadle, come on out let’s give you a hand 🤣🤣🤣

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et3rn1tyGR

Neo Member
A new Ghost of Tsushima trailer and date reveal AND a new bts trailer DOOM Eternal focused on it’s music within the span of like 10 minutes I’m losing my mind rn.

Also I gotta say, was not expecting Ghost to be end of June I was betting more of an August/September release I’m happily surprised
September is owned from cd project m8...you dont go against cyberpunk
 
Even with just 9.2 TF, the PS5 will end up with more impressive looking games than Xbox Series X.

I'm not talking about resolution, where Series X will likely have an advantage, I mean next-gen PS5 games will be able to target the hardware, will end up having more detail, larger worlds and greater scope.

Xbox Series X will not only be held back by Lockhart's 4 TF GPU but also the smaller RAM pool.

At the end of the day: Series X - higher pixel resolution - PS5 - more impressive graphics, more complex worlds.

Oh dear. There's a DF video you might want to check out. :messenger_tears_of_joy:

You might want to look towards PC as well. There are some games that you can run on "ultra" at 4k on one card while still maintaining "ultra" settings on a cheaper card at 1440/1080.
 

Kdad

Member
Funny, kdad made an assumption in the rdna 2 thread that all those services are worth more to amd than sony’s PlayStation yet he could not provide any proof. I didn’t know how many server blades they sell for MS but facts are there for xbox and surface.
The assumption is based on more than pure dollars...there is value in future sales in multiple product lines, there is value in being in multiple product lines instead of only earning income from one line of business as this better protects from a downturn....for instance if the next generation after the coming one is lightweight home streaming boxes then the VGC business falls off...so who offers more future value to AMD?. Value isn't just about current widget sales. Anyway...everyone has thier opinion on value and it's really not on topic.
 

demigod

Member
The assumption is based on more than pure dollars...there is value in future sales in multiple product lines, there is value in being in multiple product lines instead of only earning income from one line of business as this better protects from a downturn....for instance if the next generation after the coming one is lightweight home streaming boxes then the VGC business falls off...so who offers more future value to AMD?. Value isn't just about current widget sales. Anyway...everyone has thier opinion on value and it's really not on topic.

Oh boy you’re one of those consoles are dead guys. I’ve heard 1 tb download since 2000, here I am in 2020 still sitting at 70mbps in the States.
 
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