FranXico
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Cheap consoles would be a trojan for subscriptions.
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Thedtrain
Member
It looks insane!New Ghosts of Tsushima trailer has just dropped on official PlayStation channel
Kdad
Member
No, I'm one of those if AMD is smart they would spread thier business to multiple product lines to protect shareholder value guys. This isn't a console warrior argument.
LiquidRex
Member
Sony are planning on releasing exclusives on day 1 for the PS5 only that are coded with PS5 tech like the SSD in mind for example, they just won't run on the PS4... Sony want people who own a PS4 to transition to the PS5 as quickly as possible... Microsoft on the other hand are happy to just cross platform for the first year and a half.
Look at Godfall for example, that's a PS5 exclusive and PC... No PS4 version
Yes devs will still create games for the PS4 but Sony's first party devs will be focusing on the PS5 exclusivity.
If its bollocks I'll eat my words... Just as I'll eat my words if the PS5 isn't a 9tf or lower machine
SlimySnake
Flashless at the Golden Globes
I find it absolutely bizarre that this narrative has taken hold. Video Games simply mean more to Sony than they do to MS. Something around 40% of their revenue and 1/3rd of their profits come from the playstation division. They simply cannot risk losing a single cent of the $12 billion in PSN revenue. Especially next gen when the digital sales should hit around 75-80% of overall sales. All of that money is essentially free profit since hosting and maintaining PSN servers is relatively inexpensive.
Put it simply, they have more to lose. their bottomline relies on the PS division doing well. To do that they cannot risk putting out a weak console. They cannot risk being more expensive either. MS does have them cornered with the lockhart but that doesnt mean they have to gut their own console and give MS both a price advantage and the power advantage. Thats just wishful thinking.
If anything, they will want to have a more powerful console and take a bigger loss to come in cheaper. Their entire business relies on the PS5 succeeding. Cant say the same about MS. Its pretty much a pet project for MS.
demigod
Member
No, seriously. Where are the hidden cameras. The second person like this in an hour. This is a set up, right? Where’s Beadle, come on out let’s give you a hand
Why are you posting these pics when your post contradicts this? A 4TF machine will hold back the 12TF, facts. A 9TF ps5 will hold back a 12 TF, facts. Please make up your mind about the 4TF.
Btw i applaud you for not going down the stupid 9.2TF like most xbox fanboys.
LiquidRex
Member
Absolutely, so just think what they can do with an 8 to 9tf Navi console
demigod
Member
I agree, but the narrative i’ve seen from you and others are that MS is worth more to AMD than Sony is, which is not true. They would be stupid to lose out on either one.
Gamernyc78
Banned
Also surely two goty candidates
fucking Sony!!! Give them a chance you akready have Dreams!!!Cocky Sony
SSfox
Member
I've never been that much interest on what SP has done in the past, but this is incredibly looking one of the best/well done game on the current gaming generation thus far, to me at least.
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Neo Blaster
Member
Looks like they want to clear second semester.
zufuel
Member
Also surely two goty candidates
Cocky Sony
Meanwhile at Sony ... xD
FranXico
Member
They're still trying to keep that holidays 2020 release window.
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Gediminas
Banned
maybe they want to space it out from Cyberpunk 2077? plus PS5 news and marketing push..
icy121
Member
I think that's a fair assessment.
Kdad
Member
Of course they would be stupid to lose either, never indicated otherwise. My original comment had zero to do with tf values or AMD making a deal that cuts SONY off from RDNA2, only that from AMD viewpoint MS is the more valuable partner due to multiple product lines and a breadth of product lines...I see others are using this opinion and twisting it into some kind of TF fight...I am not doing that.
Thedtrain
Member
All right, pump those numbers up, those are rookie numbers in this racketAbsolutely, so just think what they can do with an 8 to 9tf Navi console
Fun Fanboy
Banned
I wonder if my pc holds back all of your guys awesome pcs for gaming.
demigod
Member
I wonder why there’s no Crysis games on PCs.
Fun Fanboy
Banned
I don't know what that means, but I'm guessing my pc doesn't hold back the way games can run at their best for other peoples beefy pcs.
demigod
Member
That’s because you’re not a pc gamer. Fakeass pc fan.
Please stop calling people who self profess to be "insiders" as insiders. Have we leaned nothing about this? Save the term insider for real insiders plz. Or put "unproven" or "internet self-proclaimed", etc.. A real insider would be someone who for example works at MS or Sony in their console division on those projects, not someone that hears about something secondhand....telephone game of acquaintances or knows someone who knows someone.....It's firsthand knowledge.
Also even a real insider could spread misinformation, much more someone without firsthand knowledge of anything, internet posters. It might pay to take things with a grain of salt without evidence of anything.
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jackets with pockets
Banned
Don’t work like that.
Von Hugh
Member
Spinning it like a tornado.
ResilientBanana
Member
Unless the games are developed for 4K output.
Lockhart will be able to produce the same graphical fidelity at a lower resolution, assets do not need to change for this. To produce 4K games with 4K output you will need 3-4 Times the GPU. Resolution is the biggest stress on a GPU.
Batiman
Banned
Jason said 10.7 now?
ethomaz
Banned
> Stadia TFs yeap.
VanSiriusGabriel
Member
Did you saw the fucking details on armors? I'm gonna play it on PS5 and die happy from burned eyes.
Batiman
Banned
Oh I missed the >
DJ12
Member
For fairness purpose, please list everything Don Matrix (or whatever his name was) and his team ever said.
demigod
Member
He said over 10.7 but his latest podcast said both are in the range of a 2080 so its no longer Stadia TF.
Bludbro
Neo Member
Jason said afterwards that he didn't actually know what the specs were and was going off developer's ASSUMPTIONS about what the specs would be,
Anyway apparently 36 CU's at 2ghz would have a higher pixel fill rate, and with 9.2 Tflops there would be higher bandwidth per flop, so yeah xbox will likely have the edge but the difference is not gonna be huge when it's all said and done. If it turns out to be 9.2 that's gonna be just fine. It's more than just the raw flops y'know. Stop obsessing about the flops. IT'S NOT ALL ABOUT THE FLOPS!
(unless you're in marketing)
Shmunter
Member
Unfortunately with Lockheart around, XSX and likely PS5 will just be relegated to upscaling machines in most titles. Essentially pro models of the next gen and the 4tf will become the baseline games will be built around.
You want the highest possible baseline, not this pos holding things back. Bad MS!
geordiemp
Member
I still dont think Sony would go 2 Ghz Hot hot hot. So if its 36 CU active, non disabled thats 8 TF. Doubt it.
I think they will be 36 cu in compatibility mode when playing Ps4 games. It has to have 36 I think to be ps4 Pro compatible in hardware.
How many CU switched off who knows, but my gut says they will be 54 or so and turn off 18 for BC. But Github Xbox fan believers say its zero ......who knows ?
All pulled from my arse/
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HawarMiran
Banned
the dumbest scene in this trash movie.
Fun Fanboy
Banned
Fake ass PC fan?!?! Lol. You doing ok? I'm an Xbox fan. You still didn't even answer my question. Does my pc (which isn't the shittiest, but far from powerful) hold back other peoples pcs that are beefy and ready to rock?
Fake ass PC fan. Ha ha ha.
VanSiriusGabriel
Member
Mid\low configurations do hold back high ones, games are designed around the most common hardware due to sales, which translate in consoles and entry level configurations as a minimum target. Crysis was just "fuck this" but realistically the industry do not work this way.
Fake
Member
You're comparing PCs with consoles. Old ass PCs don't hold back high end PCs, but old consoles indeed hold back recent consoles. This happens since always.
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demigod
Member
Lol I just proved you’re not a pc fan and now you even admit it. You don’t know anything about PC.
VanSiriusGabriel
Member
The thing was more about 9 tf holding back 12, not old vs new. Consoles, especially now, are entry levels PCs and those would exists aside from consoles and devs would still take those in account.
Bludbro
Neo Member
I think that's a possibility. Let's not forget the original Gonzalo leak from early 2019 had a presumably 36 CU's at 1Ghz, then later it was clocked up to 1.8Ghz if the analysis is correct. Then Github had that clocked at 2Ghz. I mean there's no way native PS5 mode was ever gonna be targeting 36 at 1Ghz, so who knows, github leak could just be a BC mode with a kick ass PS4 Pro +++ mode at 9.2. But if 9.2 Navi for ps5 native ends up being true, I wouldn't be surprised either.
Until new info is released we're not gonna know so it really is just speculation. But I wouldn't fret too much if it does turn out to be 9.2Tflops, all I'm saying.
SportsFan581
Member
Sony fans should think before bashing Lockhart. If the unit moves any units or shows even the slightest sign of broadening the console market, Sony's response will be swift and concise. MS wouldn't have, and I would think anticipate not having, that niche to themselves for long. If Lockhart comes to market, it will be an experiment, if it fails miserably there is still the XSX on the market.
Gamernyc78
Banned
Not to mention pcs are constantly upgradable and consoles aren't. Those high spec consoles are brute forcing shit to look better and do better, consoles don't have tht luxury because they remain static.
Not a good comparison.
Fun Fanboy
Banned
demigod
Member
Sony will be fine due to their strong First Party lineup.
VanSiriusGabriel
Member
Yes, also, someone is considering that after PS5 and SeX games will still somewhat run on cards like GTX 1080? Yes, this will hold back design but not as much as having to take shitty PS4 and One in account.
Fake
Member
Devs have being concern about Lockhart for some reason I guess. They must know better than us.
Never said Lockhart is a old console lol.
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Fun Fanboy
Banned
I never said I was a pc gamer. I'm a fan of pcs. They do great stuff. I'm not a hard core pc gamer.
And I know. You know you're wrong that Lockhart will hold back XSX games. Just like PS5 won't hold back 3rd party games on XSX for being weaker.
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