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[PaintTinJr]

I would rather have a solid AMD chip with less heat instead of an up clock to 2Ghz. I don't necessarily want a higher end frequency for bragging rights when a boost clock around 1800mhz to 1950mhz are good enough personally for me.

I tinker a lot with my PC GPU clock and memory frequencies, and to high of a clock frequency will yeild a few unintended problems that are annoying.

For one is the energy bill, but secondly, a high clock doesn't always end up with better performance at all. Stuttering and unstable system freezing suck, especially on pascual GPU'S. Allowing My GPU to hit normal boosts or with slight clock frequencies O'C will run games a helluva a lot better without the heat.

My thinking for 2GHz clocks would be for B/C emulating old PS3 SPU workloads on GPU CUs without code modification per game. Where the modern AMD GPU CUs probably have a 2 fold efficiency of an SPU, but as the SPUs were running at 3.6GHz and probably had access to as much as 200KB data in local store/scratch memory per workload on full mature PS3 software development. By pushing to 2GHz it is maybe possible to subsume the compute and the memory access of those workloads.

Depending on how the software works with PS5, the workloads might be CU clock limited, either where refactoring for parallelism at lower clocks isn’t an option or refactoring is an option, but it increases the resource burden on other things like memory bandwidth or memory storage in a non-linear way, thus making higher clocks the preferred option.

I'm not sure Sony changing clocks is equal to you changing clocks, as you don't have full control over all the drivers, the OS or game source code which might be the cause of your issues.

 

[Bo_Hazem]

What is pre silicon?

Like using a condom if you're not sure if you want a baby yet.

 

[PaintTinJr]

Silicon is set. There's nothing sony would to have a meaningful compute increase.

Do you mean that in regards to the motherboard and chip, or just the Chip? If just the latter, do you have any thoughts on what number they would have already pulled the trigger on? And if they had more expensive alternative designs going at the same time? The reason I ask, is that I remembered reading back before the PS4 reveal - when 4K early adopter tvs were just being shown - that AMD had tried and tried to break into selling chips to TV manufacturers for years without success, and Sony were considering AMD, at the same time they were sorting the PS4. Since then I've bought two Sony 4K screens with an X1 and X1 extreme chip in them that do some very heavy DSP - which I've always wondered if they were AMD APUs. The point being, would Sony be able to find a new use for - say 5million - APUs in other DSP heavy products like their TVs, AV receivers, etc and move to a different PS5 chip design by Feb 2021 in your opinion?

 

[Bo_Hazem]

Why not just, not pause the game, and have said menu show up on the TV I'm already looking at? You don't need to pause a game for a menu to pop up; if you have to look away from the screen anyways, what is the point?

It can be even used as virtual buttons like for complicated games (The Division).

 

[Zero707]

 

[JAMMA]

 

[Agnostic2020]

So githubbers get rampant again ? No thanks lol

 

[JAMMA]

So githubbers get rampant again ? No thanks lol

If I were you guys I’d stick with a dev like O’dium. He’s put his actual credentials out there. You can find him on Facebook. People are way more likely to give honest estimates to honest people like O’dium.

 

[FranXico]

At least scale down the meme images, FFS.

 

[JAMMA]

At least scale down the meme images, FFS.

By resolution? Sorry I’m on mobile and they all look the same. Not intentional.

 

[SgtCaffran]

Maybe we can skip the troll images altogether?

 

[pawel86ck]

1. I do not think the machine will be 13TF when its all said and done.
2. Don't know when the final gdk will be shipped out and I also do not know if this is the final gdk. Sorry. I will state that the only dev kits that were loud to my knowledge were the very first units.

Thanks for the confirmation

 

[JAMMA]

Maybe we can skip the troll images altogether?

Was a joke since I’d been frozen out of the thread.

 

[FranXico]

Thanks for the confirmation

Did you even read? He explicitly said it won't reach 13TF.

 

[thelastword]

insiders are word of mouth and the 9.2 is raw data.

Insiders can be word from ass too...….Data is good, but it's all about how you interpret data and what relevance it has to your projections of it..

I called it in the what "Studio Sony should buy next thread", it makes the most sense seeing as how many great IP's Konami has.....Someone responded to me about some why would Sony buy "Pachinko something something", but I think it's plausible....Get Kojima, get Konami and their Ip's…….Rumors of Silent Hill reboot already on the way, the pieces of the puzzle are coming together...

Brings me back to this tweet from Foxy Games UK, posted on March 5th.

Finally we are starting to hear more about the games, this is the exciting part.....We know PS5 will be powerful, but nothing will get the ball rolling more than when we see the first few trailers from SWWS...…(ND, Guerilla, PD, Santa Monica, Sucker Punch etc....)

1. I do not think the machine will be 13TF when its all said and done.
2. Don't know when the final gdk will be shipped out and I also do not know if this is the final gdk. Sorry. I will state that the only dev kits that were loud to my knowledge were the very first units.

Are you saying it's going to be more than 13TF? ……...Ha ha..

So it's Sony?

Well my money is on them going by history......They have always produced the most powerful kit launch aligned.....

 

[Von Hugh]

They have always produced the most powerful kit launch aligned.....

What?

 

[DrDamn]

I called it in the what "Studio Sony should buy next thread", it makes the most sense seeing as how many great IP's Konami has.....Someone responded to me about some why would Sony buy "Pachinko something something", but I think it's plausible....Get Kojima, get Konami and their Ip's…….Rumors of Silent Hill reboot already on the way, the pieces of the puzzle are coming together...

I think maybe the implication is that Konami is happy making the Pachinko money and wants to get shot of the gaming IP. Someone like Sony stepping in makes sense for that. Though it may be limited deal to develop some titles in that IP or just cover future titles. I would also say it would include some cross platform (at least PC, maybe Switch) if true.

 

[pawel86ck]

Did you even read? He explicitly said it won't reach 13TF.

Myabe my interpretation is wrong, but I thought Osiris Blacks has said he dont need to doubt 13TF and think about that when he already knows 13TF is achieved.

 

[FranXico]

They have always produced the most powerful kit launch aligned.....

And a simultaneous competitor launch has only happened exactly once (PS4/X1).

 

[FranXico]

Myabe my interpretation is wrong, but I thought Osiris Blacks has said he dont need to doubt 13TF and thing about that when he already knows 13TF is already achieved.

Maybe he heard that it was certain before, but now he is saying that it won't reach that target. Pretty sure he means it's below 13. At least, that's what common sense dictates.

 

[it_wasn't_me]

So, regarding Github and PS5, how's Github??

I am hoping and praying that the PS5 is 9.2 from GitHub, for some really strange mentally deficient reason. A sexual reason.

Social media went crazy for the silly PS5 logo. Sony will probably release the 9.2TF machine for the non hardcore gamers and rake in the dough.

They know that they can get away with it, so I find it to still be plausible. I mean, Microsoft hasn’t changed since the Github leak...

What makes me believe in the GitHub leak? It being actually real from AMD and also being RIGHT is a good start...

I believe in the GitHub leaks. They’ve proven true so far.

Sony probably went with a traditional console form factor that’s too late to change and as such have shot themselves in the foot.

I actually believe the github. I can’t be faulted for believing in a REAL AMD leak vs psuedo insider posts.

GitHub Facts haven’t changed, nice trolling though. You, Rusco, GamerNyc and the ilk can keep it up all you like. The presumed facts have not changed.

 

[pawel86ck]

Maybe he heard that it was certain before, but now he is saying that it won't reach that target. Pretty sure he means it's below 13. At least, that's what common sense dictates.

OK, so we should ask Osiris.

OsirisBlack , can you clarify your previous post? PS5 is indeed 13TF or not?

 

[kareemna]

It means it's like a virtual GPU, not real, something like pretesting, meaning that github crap can be as old as 2016/2017.

Someone will find proof it is recent, create a twitter thread about, a blog, an article on some website, a post on a forum.

 

[thelastword]

I think maybe the implication is that Konami is happy making the Pachinko money and wants to get shot of the gaming IP. Someone like Sony stepping in makes sense for that. Though it may be limited deal to develop some titles in that IP or just cover future titles. I would also say it would include some cross platform (at least PC, maybe Switch) if true.

Well if they just relieve Konami of the IP's and leave them to their Pachinko business, that's still an amicable solution......Clearly Konami is not using the IP's as they should and I fear if they go on, they will deflate said IP's leagues below their past glory.....Metal Gear, Castlevania, Silent Hill can still be rebooted back to glory days......Pro Evo, ZOE and to a lesser degree; Bomberman, Contra, Gradius can see a change of fortune too with better direction.....And yes, some of these franchises, especially the smaller titles should go to PC and Switch PRO just the same.....PC maybe timed exclusive....

 

[Ralf]

OK, so we should ask Osiris.

OsirisBlack , can you clarify your previous post? PS5 is indeed 13TF or not?

Please STOP...You are child??

 

[pawel86ck]

Please STOP...You are child??

You neomembers are worse and worse. But let me ask you somthing, 13TF has triggered you? If I wll say PS5 will be 9TF or even 8TF then you will feel better?

 

[kareemna]

Can you imagine if the rumor about SIE bought the rights from Konami to Castlevania, Metal Gear and Silent Hill, is true? (even if just a single game license?)

Will we be still be discussing 9.2 TFLOPs?

 

[thurnishaleygw]

Can you imagine if the rumor about SIE bought the rights from Konami to Castlevania, Metal Gear and Silent Hill, is true? (even if just a single game license?)

Will we be still be discussing 9.2 TFLOPs?

Probably yes, some people just want it to happen too much. Still, pretty much nobody would care.

Gosh I would love new Castlevania (Metal Gear and Silent Hill too, but Castlevania is really close to my heart).

 

[kareemna]

Probably yes, some people just want it to happen too much. Still, pretty much nobody would care.

Gosh I would love new Castlevania (Metal Gear and Silent Hill too, but Castlevania is really close to my heart).

Lords of shadow, both games were great in my opinion.

 

[Neo Blaster]

The deaths in Italy has nothing to do with old people. The socialist health care system in Italy only has 600 ventilators for a population of 60 million. Up to 20% of infected will need critical care......

And this is why people must isolate themselves and go out when strictly necessary. If we don't flatten the contamination curve, health care systems will be unable to attend all the worst cases.

 

[Cato]

I just want to know whether PS5 will be powerful enough to play Disgaea 6.
That is all.

 

[lepermessiah]

Got some exclusive images of the PS5 DKs my guys:

 

[thurnishaleygw]

Lords of shadow, both games were great in my opinion.

Yeah, I liked them both too. I definitely miss that world.

 

[JAMMA]

So, regarding Github and PS5, how's Github??

I’d say GitHub was right? It was factual information.

If you feel like you’re serving up some sick burn or something, you’re the only person that’s emotionally invested in this. I don’t care if PS5 has great specs or terrible specs. I find the entire situation to be humorous.

If PS5 is greater than 12, good. If it’s worse than 12, “lol”.

 

[onQ123]

Konami
vs
Capcom
Who's games do you like more?

 

[Evilms]

20 GB GDDR6 with 320-bit ?

 

[JAMMA]

Konami
vs
Capcom
Who's games do you like more?

Capcom, hands down without the blink of an eye.

 

[01011001]

20 GB GDDR6 with 320-bit ?

hard to say. they could have a mix of 1GB and 2GB modules

 

[Agnostic2020]

20 GB GDDR6 with 320-bit ?

its 16 GB with 320 bit bus. its combination of 1 and 2 Gb clusters

 

[it_wasn't_me]

I’d say GitHub was right? It was factual information.

If you feel like you’re serving up some sick burn or something, you’re the only person that’s emotionally invested in this. I don’t care if PS5 has great specs or terrible specs. I find the entire situation to be humorous.

If PS5 is greater than 12, good. If it’s worse than 12, “lol”.

Really? Your previous posts claiming otherwise that you care.

Btw. you said "I believe in the GitHub leaks. They’ve proven true so far."

Proven true = github was right

 

[McHuj]

20 GB GDDR6 with 320-bit ?

20 is the max, but it could be lower if they truly use mixed density chips like in the trailer.

 

[onQ123]

So which Capcom games will be exclusive to Xbox?


RE?

 

[01011001]

JOOOOOOOOO!!!!!

 

[Evilms]

last year at e3 2019

 

[xiaoming10086]

 

[David Ricardo]

JOOOOOOOOO!!!!!

12.155 teraflops

1,825 Ghz. Maybe 2.0 Ghz for PS5 don't sound so crazy now.

 

[kareemna]

JOOOOOOOOO!!!!!

Lets dive in!

 

[JAMMA]

Really? Your previous posts claiming otherwise that you care

Chill, take a breath. Sony will release whatever they’re going to release.

You can’t tell the difference between joking around and legitimate arguments?

Aren’t you going to buy the PS5 no matter what the specs are? After the complete reveals we’re all going to buy whatever we want anyway. I’ve seen you feverishly threatening to bookmark everyone’s posts, but you did just that and “unleashed your sick burn on me” and it backfired because I don’t care. Looks like you’re the one that’s actually console warring here.

Just relax, reflect & enjoy whatever Sony reveals when they finally start caring that fans are rightfully getting a bit annoyed due to their silence. Try being happy for a day.

 

[Kobi]

 

[Agnostic2020]

XSX official specs:

52 CU clocked at 1825 mhz = 12.1 TF
3.6 GHZ for CPU(3.8 GHz on locked cores)
16 GB GDDR6 total (2.5 of it for OS and 13.5 for games. 10 GB is 560 gb/s and 6 is 336 Gb/s)
ssd is 2.4 gb/s
Die size is 360 mm2