Shambala
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If I were Sony I’d release Ps5 info exactly at 9:20am just for a nice little GitHub fun
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Sinthor
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The timing isn't really that peculiar; there were already rumors about ND issues like a year or two ago, and those earlier ones involved Neil Druckmann directly. I don't think any of this latest stuff is something nefarious or as some inside dig at Sony, just moreso following up on a trend of focus regarding workplace conditions in the gaming industry. Never mind that Jason Schreir's the one who decided to dig in, and he's pretty fond of PlayStation (as am I). Not at exclusion of Xbox, but I don't think he has any angle against PlayStation in doing the Naughty Dog write-up.
Plus it was several people at the studio, who seemingly are relaying things from a wide range of a time period particularly on TLOU2 development, so I just think it is what it is and hopefully ND can weather the story, and fix up their internal issues.
But yes, exciting times ahead for both systems that should be pretty on-par with each other in performance and features, and hopefully gaming content as well. Can't wait for them to launch!
@Insane Metal I think 16 + 4 is more likely but the question is will it have more bandwidth and what the bus width is. Even on 256-bit bus they can get more bandwidth if they go with a flush of 18Gbps or even 20Gbps (tho who is making those at this time?) chips. And maybe the DDR4 could be sufficient enough to have the OS handle that so you have 16GB GDDR6 fully available for games
Totally agree. You can't attribute motive accurately to ANYONE. Seems to me the article was more slanted towards the rights of workers, etc. So if there's a "bias" it's more likely that. Additionally, the point the article starts with...that's assuming there's never normal construction during the day which isn't normally accurate. I was at a Motorola location that had a FAB and they had some roof work going on. An accident ended up busting thru the ceiling in a clean room and injured 2 workers from falling pipes. Took MONTHS and Million$ to clean that up. Fortunately, the injured employees were ok (One had a broken arm as I recall).
I'm really of two minds with this angle about "bad working conditions" for developers. First, the comments on the articles crack me up when the commenters say that "no other industry" works 7 days a week 12 hour days. LOL. Try construction or some industrial jobs, or even car sales in the summer or holiday months! You know...REAL jobs and work (just kidding, but you know what I mean). The fact that none of those commenters even know this shows just how inexperienced they are.
So to me, I see two sides. First, as a leader of a department, I'd agree that this kind of "crunch" isn't the best way to motivate and retain your team. I'd think that needs to be improved. That being said, people KNOW they're signing up for this, so complaining about it after the fact, while human, is really the result of their choices.
Now, long term, if this kind of burnout and "crunch" has such a negative impact on their teams they will end up losing top talent as it ages and doesn't want to work those hours or just for 'mental health.' If they can't REPLACE that top tier talent effectively, then it will impact their product quality and business model. So far, it seems to have worked for a lot of the industry. Unfortunately, it may take a 'crash and burn' failure to teach these companies that it's not the way to work. We'll have to see. I know myself, I would have a HELL of a time trying to lead and motivate a team in that type of environment. At least long term. Interesting stuff!
I'm pretty certain that it was still have the same gpu taxing engine that it had on the PS4. If PS4 barely ran it, I think at the very least it'll be optimal for 30 frames per second.
Audiophile
Gold Member
It's the fact we're coming from 1.6-2.1GHz Jaguar CPUs, I think a lot of people were expecting 3.2GHz; not just as a familiar number but because consoles usually get mobile equivalent speeds, it's on an APU next to a very powerful GPU, the knee (sweet spot) of the performance/power curve was at 3.2GHz for prior Zen cores before it grew exponentially; and even current stock Zens tend to top out just above 4GHz.
I was expecting 3.0-3.2GHz a year back and moved more to 3.3-3.5GHz in recent months. Heck, a year back there were plenty of doom-and-gloomers on various forums expecting ~2.8GHz.
3.6-3.8GHz is impressive given all the circumstances. Those last few 100MHz take a lot of work relative to the first few 1000MHz.
ethomaz
Banned
Yeap I’m so blind that I can’t even see the GitHub false claims.
Tou keep spining and changing GitHub every time a new official spec proves it was not like it shows lol
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Oh great Prometheus. What fire of knowledge do you bring to us today?Oh what a day, go to sleep and wake up to
DForce
NaughtyDog Defense Force
Lol. Now MS is "in a rush" to deliver next gen news. When all they're doing is just normally delivering news.
Ha ha. Sony fans changing this up to making MS seem like they're rushing.
Oh, yes, just like Xbox fans claiming Sony is scared or this is proof that they have the weaker console.
James Sawyer Ford
Member
not today, just originally
man 13 RDNA2 TFlops with an extra 15% IPC is gonna be one sweet console
thicc_girls_are_teh_best
Member
I'm sorry, WHAT? Where was I being negative towards PS5? Point it out to me, right now, or take back the bullshit. I don't take lightly to being accused of playing favorites when if anything I'm being as neutral as I can.
How is it my fault ND's workplace stuff is getting exposed by Jason Schreir of all people when the person I was responding to brought up a related talking point first and I merely used the ND thing as an example of how things can change? Jeez...
Man, it's good to hear those injured employees recovered and were compensated. Companies seem to skimp all the time on safety checks for the smaller things but those can sometimes be the ones that cause the big problems over time. Anything to save money :S
I agree parts of the article are hilarious, it's not like shitty work conditions are exclusive to gaming and (not to make it a contest) there's probably other industries where workers are even more stressed, at least in terms of physical labor. Construction for example, as you mentioned, where in addition to physical stress you have the increase of injuries from job hazards.
But also as you say, most of these people in these studios are grown adults, they know what they're getting into and if the conditions are really that bad, make contingency plans to leave and, if possible, strike up a class action lawsuit if you feel it can win in court. Workers need to be treated well and it sounds like ND does at least somewhat try in doing so (the free meals, etc.), but maybe it's not enough. The lack of a production role for the various divisions is probably a big factor for whatever issues may be present.
Issues that aren't exclusive to ND, btw. I'd argue they are worst at other studios, and I'd imagine those will come to light at some point, too (if they haven't already). But apparently it seems bringing up the ND situation will get some fanboys to label you a shill simply by mentioning it, which is completely ridiculous (not to mention potentially slander you...well, at least that seems to be the case when I made mention of it anyway).
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01011001
Banned
I'm sorry but that dude literally gets me heated some times... I have him on ignored for now to calm down.
ethomaz
Banned
You should blame yourself for believe in something that is not true instead to try to put the blame on me.
I did not leaked or created anything in GitHub.
You choose to believe it.
Next time tries to be more logical.
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OsirisBlack
Banned
I know
all my info is second hand and there is chances of something being wrong. Because I can not Verify everything myself in person.
PerhapsTommy Fisher was given bad info with the controller pic and wasn’t intentionally trying to lie to fool you @Mod of War ot the forum. It could have been an honest mistake.
Seeing as I was asked earlier Ill respond to it here. Their is absolutely no way in the world
Tommy Fisher
(TF not an accident) sent that picture of that controller and thought it would pass scrutiny. I do not know who he knows or what to make of his predictions but he was spot on with the XseX numbers. I doubt that is a lucky guess.
Farrell55
Banned
I wouldnt it Call impossible too, maybe they got the costs down with high Volume long term contract's but as i say imho unlikely
And i get prepared to get surprised
JLB
Banned
22gb, that wont be cheap for sure.
DJ12
Member
OK, so no one can actually work out the size of an APU is confirmed then. Only a couple of hours ago rogain and stan's dad were saying 380.
DeepEnigma
Gold Member
I remember when it was 400.
*sips tea*
I am not listening to them for shit now. The GitHub is also falling apart in real time.
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saintjules
Member
That's the vibe I'm starting to get from him. Hey, if his Guerrila Games rumor source is correct, I'll pay more attention. For now, grains...
zeroeffect
Member
He was probably trolling over the Sony number.
Farrell55
Banned
So a Radeon 5700xt 40cu's 256bit bus is around 250 mm2 with a Transistor count of 10.5 bln
Scarlett apu has 56cu's, 8 Core zen2, Dedicated Hardware for Raytracing, 320bit bus, and over 70mb cache on the whole Soc... on a 360 mm2 die with over 15bln transistor's
So with only 50% more transistor's than a 5700xt very impressive
DeepEnigma
Gold Member
Deeper Underground
Member
I don’t have a horse in this race, but this is pretty petty and pathetic man.
Fake
Member
A bit ironic coming from you.
Fake
Member
I being saying this for time to time. People need to stop bringuing twitter bullshit to the thread.
xHunter
Member
quick question, since they info came from you and this is in no way an attack towards you, i am just curious why microsoft would go the way they did and what your opinion is:
you said that your sources told you that the xsx was running almost silently and was really cool when it comes to temparutes and had room to spare. And since we got an image of the dev kit today, which looked like a slightly bigger one x, do you know why microsoft went with the tower design? people have been saying (mostly random users in forums) that the tower was needed so they could have the perfect cooling solution, but seeing the dev kit and reading your comments im wondering why even go for a pc like design.
zeroeffect
Member
I would guess Tommy Fisher is trolling Sony fans when he dropped that number. Clearly he knows someone around the console to get his specs. He doesn't drop that picture without knowing full well what was coming. He's lying about the Sony number. He probably doesn't know the real specs...maybe at best it's what inside secrets thought Sony was at.
Self High Five
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Kazekage1981
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OsirisBlack
do you know if ps5 has wifi 6?
DrDamn
Member
I think the speed of the CPU and thought about going faster if you disable SMT is really impressive. Shows them thinking a lot about the FPS because that can be a big factor in hitting your targets.
CrustyBritches
Gold Member
I've been busy in other threads, but I love the hardware reveals.
"360mm²". AquariusZ said 350mm² while everybody else was around 400mm², but we assumed his numbers were a size category because they were rounded. I'm positive now that he is for real.
"360mm²". AquariusZ said 350mm² while everybody else was around 400mm², but we assumed his numbers were a size category because they were rounded. I'm positive now that he is for real.
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Mass Shift
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Not trying to get in the middle of the shouting but the DF vid clearly states that the Series X GPU has 56CUs. 4 were disabled, so there's really no reason why this should become a major sticking in anyone's argument. We know that the Githubs were test samples so today's reveal is quite honestly a validation. Not only for them but Fisher as well.
They validate each other. This could make Fishers call on the PS5 a little tricky if Sony doesn't launch with two skus. . Is the 13TF he referred a 5Pro that's launching later? Could explain why the Githubs only saw the 9.2TF last year.
As Morpheus would say, "the answers are coming".
mejin
Member
Seeing as I was asked earlier Ill respond to it here. Their is absolutely no way in the world
Oh come on, he was one lucky son of a bitch. That's all.
LED Guy?
Banned
Forget it, man. GitHub talk is dead, move on from it.
So according to your “non-fanboy” logic, the PS5 is a 32 CU console instead of it being 36 CUs? LMAO!!
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Tripolygon
Banned
That's impressive when for the past 7 years we've have 1.6 GHz as baseline for consoles.
Gudji
Member
No?! You stay silent, you release a teaser video with a reveal date and you'll announce specs on a live stream with a pre-recorded video while showing next-gen games... people will go nuts. It doesn't matter if it's more powerful or not, if it's in the same ball park in therms of specs playstation fans won't give two shits about XSX. That's the truth.
Already told many times, Xbox problem is GAMES - quality to be more specific - not hardware.
chemical boy
Member
It is a total mistake on MS's part to introduce the Xbox right now .... no one is watching the consoles now. This outside 3 websites will not have coverage. Sony has been very smart waiting to present PS5. Right now we only talk about the virus
StreetsofBeige
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Pot, meet kettle
MisterXDTV
Member
Mass Shift
Member
But he didn't write 1.825 ghz!
He didn't?
MisterXDTV
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Daniel_Mallorca1985
Member
Not know.
LED Guy?
Banned
Well well well, looks like one of my good friends on Twitter posted this...
Tommy Fisher
is the one that we don’t just want, but someone that we desperately need! 
Tommy Fisher
is the one that we don’t just want, but someone that we desperately need!
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chemical boy
Member
Finally Tommy was right.
it_wasn't_me
Banned
Well well well, looks like one of good friends on Twitter posted this...
Fake insider.
Maybe he knows the specs, but he doesn't have a DS 5.
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zeroeffect
Member
I get why Sony hasn't revealed anything yet but I wish they'd give us something. I want to put this speculation to rest. I'm thinking we're not getting much of anything until late after June their final big release.
splattered
Member
You people seriously think Tommy Fisher has exact specs of both the XsX AND Ps5?
I'm starting to believe he knew exact specs of XsX and is full on trolling Sony fans just to get their hopes up and then deflated.
I wouldn't celebrate him just yet...
I'm starting to believe he knew exact specs of XsX and is full on trolling Sony fans just to get their hopes up and then deflated.
I wouldn't celebrate him just yet...
saintjules
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It's like...they're taking in all the hits from a Boss before they unleash their Limit Break.
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