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[Burrito Bandito]

Someone saying....

12.1TF
RDNA 2
52 CU
GPU running at 1.82 ghz

... is more than luck.

i dont think it was luck BUT if you guess 1.82
then you can deduce the rest of that, vice versa with 12.1.

i think more than likely he had solid MS intel but who knows about his PS intel. perhaps the phony ds5 pic was a way of saying his ps5 intel was phony. idk.

 

[StreetsofBeige]

You people seriously think Tommy Fisher has exact specs of both the XsX AND Ps5?

I'm starting to believe he knew exact specs of XsX and is full on trolling Sony fans just to get their hopes up and then deflated.

I wouldn't celebrate him just yet...

You never know.

He might be ntkrnl again from 2014. Came with accurate MS info and then disappeared.

 

[Insane Metal]

Microsoft: Xbox Series X Performance Is 25+ TFLOPs when Ray Tracing; I/O Rate Equal to 13 Zen 2 Cores

Microsoft's Andrew Goossen said Xbox Series X performance is 25+ TFLOPs when raytracing. The IO rate is equal to a PC with 13 Zen 2 cores.

wccftech.com

For instance, Xbox system architect Andrew Goossen revealed to Eurogamer's Digital Foundry that the regular 12 TFLOPs figure for Xbox Series X effectively bumps to over 25+ TFLOPs when doing raytracing operations.

Without hardware acceleration, this work could have been done in the shaders but would have consumed over 13 TFLOPs alone. For the Xbox Series X, this work is offloaded onto dedicated hardware and the shader can continue to run in parallel with full performance. In other words, Series X can effectively tap the equivalent of well over 25 TFLOPs of performance while ray tracing.
Xbox Series X goes even further than the PC standard in offering more power and flexibility to developers. In grand console tradition, we also support direct to the metal programming including support for offline BVH construction and optimisation. With these building blocks, we expect ray tracing to be an area of incredible visuals and great innovation by developers over the course of the console's lifetime.

The Xbox Series X is also 'overperforming' in terms of IO rate thanks to the brand new DirectX extension, DirectStorage. According to Goossen, it would take a PC with 13 Zen 2 cores to match the full IO rate of the new console.

DirectStorage is less latent and it saves a ton of CPU. With the best competitive solution, we found doing decompression software to match the SSD rate would have consumed three Zen 2 CPU cores. When you add in the IO CPU overhead, that's another two cores. So the resulting workload would have completely consumed five Zen 2 CPU cores when now it only takes a tenth of a CPU core. So in other words, to equal the performance of Xbox Series X at its full IO rate, you would need to build a PC with 13 Zen 2 cores. That's seven cores dedicated for the game: one for Windows and shell and five for the IO and decompression overhead.

DirectStorage is coming to Windows PC, too, which is great news for PC gamers as well. We look forward to learning a lot more about these new features in the coming months.

 

[Snake29]

No?! You stay silent, you release a teaser video with a reveal date and you'll announce specs on a live stream with a pre-recorded video while showing next-gen games... people will go nuts. It doesn't matter if it's more powerful or not, if it's in the same ball park in therms of specs playstation fans won't give two shits about XSX. That's the truth.

Already told many times, Xbox problem is GAMES - quality to be more specific - not hardware.

While the Series X specs are looking amazing, for the mainstream it's all like...."Ok...cool, nice shit? but what about the games". I really hope Sony is doing similar but together with some real game announcements or first demos from new games.

These hardware specs release normally don't do much for the majority. But for us around here, it's all finger licking good info and it already gives us a look at what we can expect from the PS5.

 

[Mass Shift]

You people seriously think Tommy Fisher has exact specs of both the XsX AND Ps5?

I'm starting to believe he knew exact specs of XsX and is full on trolling Sony fans just to get their hopes up and then deflated.

I wouldn't celebrate him just yet...

I hope that's not what he's doing. That would just be like being allowed to walk around in heaven and somebody comes running up behind you saying, "Sorry, we made a mistake. You have to leave".

 

[DForce]

So some Xbox fans who doubted Tommy before now believe he knew the Xbox specs but are saying it's very possible that he is trolling Sony fans. lol

 

[Zero707]

Xbox Series X right now:

More like

 

[zeroeffect]

You people seriously think Tommy Fisher has exact specs of both the XsX AND Ps5?

I'm starting to believe he knew exact specs of XsX and is full on trolling Sony fans just to get their hopes up and then deflated.

I wouldn't celebrate him just yet...

I think he's trolling Sony fans too. He didn't release that pic by accident knowing what was going to happen. I doubt he has both specs. Why would he have access to that information and why did that poor troll attempt pic?

Unless other insiders want to reinforce what he's saying I'm going to be cautious. He definitely knows someone on Xbox side though.

Any of the credible guys in here want to back Tommy up and put their reputation on the line?

 

[Shambala]

So some Xbox fans who doubted Tommy before now believe he knew the Xbox specs but are saying it's very possible that he is trolling Sony fans. lol

Moving goalposts as usual . Anything to fit their narrative

 

[gundamkyoukai]

I think he's trolling Sony fans too. He didn't release that pic by accident knowing what was going to happen. I doubt he has both specs. Why would he have access to that information and why did that poor troll attempt pic?

Unless other insiders want to reinforce what he's saying I'm going to be cautious. He definitely knows someone on Xbox side though.

Any of the credible guys in here want to back Tommy up and put their reputation on the line?

There have been people that had access to info for both for months .
You had Klee saying they close months ago and the same for other insiders .

 

[TheBreezyBB]

MS dropping the XsX info one week before PS5 to get some traffic is nice and all, but you can't stop the train.

I'm from the future, everything i say could probably change (butterfly effect)

I really don't know what I am talking about.

 

[Metroiddarks]

I need that XSX but also after this reveal I almost sure Sony is above at least in GPU, vram and ssd but with a minimun diference which is more for marketing than other thing.

Everything is XSX looks great except maybe that split in GDDR6 speed memory.

 

[zeroeffect]

There have been people that had access to info for both for months .
You had Klee saying they close months ago and the same for other insiders .

I'm not doubting they will be close to power. I'm doubting it's over 13tf. I hope it's true but cooling is an issue at some point?

 

[TBiddy]

So some Xbox fans who doubted Tommy before now believe he knew the Xbox specs but are saying it's very possible that he is trolling Sony fans. lol

Who are you referring to?

 

[OsirisBlack]

Their is always a bit of Bullshit in leaks. Even if something is 100% correct another thing may be 100% wrong. That is the nature of the beast. I knew when the final form factor was done for XseX but never got another set of specs after the 11.6 and that was shot to shit with the 12.1 release by MS. I was also told 11.6 with them rounding the number up to 12 but that was also not the case as they specifically stated 12.1. I know, (not think) that the newer PSV gdk is in fact cool and quiet. The last numbers I had for PSV were 12.4 that still has not been changed and no one is giving out any newer numbers. A lot of leaks (even a few that are obviously not even close to being true) are done intentionally and not by random guy a behind his desk. IF SONY is working full BC for PSV I still have not heard one dev say anything about it including more recent conversations. IF PSV is higher than 12.4 I have no idea as the last word I got was that it would be around the same number and they loved their new toy. (gdk) I also Know, (not think) a few developers are antsy and would like to be able to show what they are working on but legally cannot show or say shit. That being said with the newer gdks being quiet and cool I am not sure 13.3TF is possible as I don't know how much headroom they had after the system cooling was finalized. I would be shocked (Pleasantly) if they break 13 + Tommy Fishers.

 

[DJ12]

Finally Tommy was right.

Finally Tommy has been PROVEN right. He was right all along.

i dont think it was luck BUT if you guess 1.82
then you can deduce the rest of that, vice versa with 12.1.

i think more than likely he had solid MS intel but who knows about his PS intel. perhaps the phony ds5 pic was a way of saying his ps5 intel was phony. idk.

Why guess a number that equals exactly the flop count of the console that has been announced already as 12 tfs?

Why post about the exact number of cores, despite the githuggers saying it's not possible as it's 56 active CUs.

Tommy Fisher knew exactly what the xbox was.

Time will tell if he was correct about Sony.

 

[Lort]

Here’s my prediction,

Sony will announce 2 ghz clocks to win the spec war but then it will (like DF mentioned and PC components ) be thermally throttled. In real world performance it will be ahead sometimes ...then stall and be behind in others and after extended use.

A faster minimum frame rate is more important than a faster max frame rate .. but your fanboy won’t care. Everyone will claim victory.

I think xbox customizations will be better than Playstations, sometimes they will just catch up ( ie SSD and fixed clock).. other times they will just be ahead ( variable rate shading ).

I think despite Playstation being clocked higher in real world performance xbox will often average 5% faster .. but potentially more importantly have less stalls.

Hopefully they will end to end ( controller to screen) latency test both consoles .. if PS5 has a similar upgrade they will both be better than PC.
what’s your prediction?

 

[semicool]

Tommy was wrong about studio acquisitions, reveal dates(self ban, maybe wrong because of Corona effects?), technical details on RDNA2 architecture (not that it was RDNA2, but architectural details) and provided photoshopped photos of a DS5 controller. The GitHub leak had the correct CUs before Tommy posted, so he could have guessed based off that. Or maybe he did have credible info or made a clock speed guess that was accurate based off GitHub. Remember multiple Xbox SX leaks were saying 12+. Only he knows. He's definitely been wrong and lied about multiple details though. If he has a good source that told him clock speed for XSX, is that the same source for his PS5 info? Only he knows if that's true or not. I'd take anything he says with a pile of salt, though I am curious.

I do know he would not take my bet from December 19th 2019 that the XSX would be more powerful though.... he wouldnt take me up on it. If he really was confident and had inside info, I'd imagine he would have taken me up on it then? #shrug

 

[Nickolaidas]

TBF he brought that on himself what did they expect after the fake DS5 pic and some of the erratic posts in-between the (now verified) XSX specs?

Many of us were giving him shit way before the DS5 pic. I feel really bad about it now.

It's a completely different situation from VFX Veteran, whom I still make fun of, DESPITE him being right on the Horizon PC port leak.

 

[Coulomb_Barrier]

Digital Foundry is basically Microsoft PR at this point, it has been clear since the reveal of Xbox One X

Yep, they went overtime in their PR and marketing for One X and it looks like they'll go even more balls deep for the Series X

This is why I ignore all their biased content.

 

[chemical boy]

Who said that 52 CU were not possible? I know of several users who said that 52 was impossible, we already know which foreros to ignore.

 

[44alltheway]

Their is always a bit of Bullshit in leaks. Even if something is 100% correct another thing may be 100% wrong. That is the nature of the beast. I knew when the final form factor was done for XseX but never got another set of specs after the 11.6 and that was shot to shit with the 12.1 release by MS. I was also told 11.6 with them rounding the number up to 12 but that was also not the case as they specifically stated 12.1. I know, (not think) that the newer PSV gdk is in fact cool and quiet. The last numbers I had for PSV were 12.4 that still has not been changed and no one is giving out any newer numbers. A lot of leaks (even a few that are obviously not even close to being true) are done intentionally and not by random guy a behind his desk. IF SONY is working full BC for PSV I still have not heard one dev say anything about it including more recent conversations. IF PSV is higher than 12.4 I have no idea as the last word I got was that it would be around the same number and they loved their new toy. (gdk) I also Know, (not think) a few developers are antsy and would like to be able to show what they are working on but legally cannot show or say shit. That being said with the newer gdks being quiet and cool I am not sure 13.3TF is possible as I don't know how much headroom they had after the system cooling was finalized. I would be shocked (Pleasantly) if they break 13 + Tommy Fishers.

How close do you think the most recent look of the gdk is what the finalized console will look like?

 

[pasterpl]

Already told many times, Xbox problem is GAMES - quality to be more specific - not hardware.

I find this argument funny. Typical fanboy sh*t talk. I don’t have enough time to play all xbox games as it is, xbonex is better for multiplaform games, there are also some decent exclusives on xbone. And please don’t counter this with uncharted (I enjoyed it, but it is nothing new) or with another remastered release of some old game.

 

[gundamkyoukai]

I'm not doubting they will be close to power. I'm doubting it's over 13tf. I hope it's true but cooling is an issue at some point?

When it comes to cooling Sony has a patent on some sort of cooling system.
You can also see there early dev kit were thinking about that .
Not that i think it's 13 but you can see they were thinking about it much more than they did with PS4 or PS4Pro.
So it will be interesting to see how there system end up.

 

[wowbaggerBR]

TommyFisher could have easily find numbers to fit the 12 TFlops, which were official from Microsoft back then.

With that compute output, you could just fish for CU counts and matching clocks. It could very well be a lucky guess.

If he had talked about the kinda split pool of memory, with different bandwidths, fair enough, he would have been redeemd.

I don't trust him.

 

[semicool]

Tommy was wrong about studio acquisitions, reveal dates(self ban, maybe wrong because of Corona effects?), technical details on RDNA2 architecture (not that it was RDNA2, but architectural details) and provided photoshopped photos of a DS5 controller. The GitHub leak had the correct CUs before Tommy posted, so he could have guessed based off that. Or maybe he did have credible info or made a clock speed guess that was accurate based off GitHub. Remember multiple Xbox SX leaks were saying 12+. Only he knows. He's definitely been wrong and lied about multiple details though. If he has a good source that told him clock speed for XSX, is that the same source for his PS5 info? Only he knows if that's true or not. I'd take anything he says with a pile of salt, though I am curious.

I'm not an insider or "insider" or anything but I do know he would not take my bet from December 19th 2019 that the XSX would be more powerful though.... he wouldn't take me up on it. If he really was confident and had inside info, I'd imagine he would have taken me up on it then? #shrug

Next-Gen PS5 & XSX |OT| Console tEch threaD

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[Nickolaidas]

Holding on to github for dear life.

DAT ARM

 

[Coulomb_Barrier]

I find this argument funny. Typical fanboy sh*t talk. I don’t have enough time to play all xbox games as it is, xbonex is better for multiplaform games, there are also some decent exclusives on xbone. And please don’t counter this with uncharted (I enjoyed it, but it is nothing new) or with another remastered release of some old game.

Tim Dog is that you?

 

[Gudji]

I find this argument funny. Typical fanboy sh*t talk. I don’t have enough time to play all xbox games as it is, xbonex is better for multiplaform games, there are also some decent exclusives on xbone. And please don’t counter this with uncharted (I enjoyed it, but it is nothing new) or with another remastered release of some old game.

It's not fanboy talk, it's real talk your comment on the other hand... whew.
Everyone praises sony exclusives for a reason: they're polished, they set bars for quality and they've been consistently nominated for GOTY awards in the last 10 years - not all games are like that but the majority of big releases are. I'm sorry to hurt your feelings but it's the truth.
It's all subjective though, maybe you thought crackdown 3 was amazing... well good for you.

 

[chemical boy]

Here’s my prediction,

Sony will announce 2 ghz clocks to win the spec war but then it will (like DF mentioned and PC components ) be thermally throttled. In real world performance it will be ahead sometimes ...then stall and be behind in others and after extended use.

A faster minimum frame rate is more important than a faster max frame rate .. but your fanboy won’t care. Everyone will claim victory.

I think xbox customizations will be better than Playstations, sometimes they will just catch up ( ie SSD and fixed clock).. other times they will just be ahead ( variable rate shading ).

I think despite Playstation being clocked higher in real world performance xbox will often average 5% faster .. but potentially more importantly have less stalls.

Hopefully they will end to end ( controller to screen) latency test both consoles .. if PS5 has a similar upgrade they will both be better than PC.
what’s your prediction?

I understand the fear now that it has been confirmed that Tommy had real information ... you have to prepare to accept that PS5 is going to be more powerful than Xbox SX and that there are people who are going to accept it badly, especially after spending months preaching the 9.2 Tflop. It's going to be fun.

 

[IntentionalPun]

How do people reconcile all the reports of Sony's BOM being less than MS's if the PS5 is supposed to be more powerful?

I want them to be roughly the same myself and will be happy if PS5 is within ~1 TF either direction, but don't quite understand how they'd do that and be 10% or more cheaper on BOM.

 

[xool]

Here’s my prediction,

Sony will announce 2 ghz clocks to win the spec war but then it will (like DF mentioned and PC components ) be thermally throttled. In real world performance it will be ahead sometimes ...then stall and be behind in others and after extended use.

Interesting. In DF's they labored the point about XbX having locked clocks .. didn't make total sense why they repeated the point so much - maybe this was the reason .. get their "alternative facts" in first.

 

[Moridianae]

So any bets on how long Sony stays quiet now?

Microsoft has the cojones in this tumultuous time to keep going. Will they stand up in turn SoON?

 

[Nickolaidas]

Could be Bluepoint is working on the "Remaster Engine" rumor that Hip-Hop Gamer has been talking about.

That's my guess as well.

 

[Luquinhadesu]

Everybody saying 2GHz is way too much and Sony won't be able to proper cool it. But MS managed 1.82GHz. I don't think it's unthinkable if Sony somehow managed to handle 2GHz.

The rumours about fancy cooling only makes it more believable.

 

[semicool]

DAT ARM

"Only a Sith deal in absolutes" just kidding....but no one saying GitHub is the Bible, but to discard completely is asinine.

It's definitely worth considering. Might be false or inaccurate. Who knows? Answer: No one on this forum.

 

[Lort]

I understand the fear now that it has been confirmed that Tommy had real information ... you have to prepare to accept that PS5 is going to be more powerful than Xbox SX and that there are people who are going to accept it badly, especially after spending months preaching the 9.2 Tflop. It's going to be fun.

Stop console warring. I made my prediction where’s yours?

 

[xool]

Who said that 52 CU were not possible? I know of several users who said that 52 was impossible, we already know which foreros to ignore.

I remember that too. Got told "you stupid" when I suggested 52 CU a while back. Can't remember the names.

Maybe they'd like to identify themselfs ?

 

[demigod]

Could be Bluepoint is working on the "Remaster Engine" rumor that Hip-Hop Gamer has been talking about.

Tommy Fisher said this as well, that was after HipHopGamer.

 

[StreetsofBeige]

Hey Tommy.

You were right the whole time. Right down to a gpu running at 1.82 ghz.

Can you now rejoin us and toss out a claim PS5 is 9.2TF to rattle the board?

lol

 

[Nickolaidas]

"Only a Sith deal in absolutes" just kidding....but no one saying GitHub is the Bible, but to discard completely is asinine.

It's definitely worth considering. Might be false or inaccurate. Who knows? Answer: No one on this forum.

… What?

No seriously, what?

 

[Neo Blaster]

He was probably trolling over the Sony number.

Looks like Sony does not think they have to react to anything MS posts.

 

[Dabaus]

Their is always a bit of Bullshit in leaks. Even if something is 100% correct another thing may be 100% wrong. That is the nature of the beast. I knew when the final form factor was done for XseX but never got another set of specs after the 11.6 and that was shot to shit with the 12.1 release by MS. I was also told 11.6 with them rounding the number up to 12 but that was also not the case as they specifically stated 12.1. I know, (not think) that the newer PSV gdk is in fact cool and quiet. The last numbers I had for PSV were 12.4 that still has not been changed and no one is giving out any newer numbers. A lot of leaks (even a few that are obviously not even close to being true) are done intentionally and not by random guy a behind his desk. IF SONY is working full BC for PSV I still have not heard one dev say anything about it including more recent conversations. IF PSV is higher than 12.4 I have no idea as the last word I got was that it would be around the same number and they loved their new toy. (gdk) I also Know, (not think) a few developers are antsy and would like to be able to show what they are working on but legally cannot show or say shit. That being said with the newer gdks being quiet and cool I am not sure 13.3TF is possible as I don't know how much headroom they had after the system cooling was finalized. I would be shocked (Pleasantly) if they break 13 + Tommy Fishers.

Lets say PS5 really is somewhere between 11.6-13.3, does that throw a wrench in microsofts lock heart plan? Ps5 is no longer sandwhiched between the 2 but is closer to upper end model, wouldnt that make lock heart redundant at that point?

 

[jackets with pockets]

 

[HeisenbergFX4]

Lets say PS5 really is somewhere between 11.6-13.3, does that throw a wrench in microsofts lock heart plan? Ps5 is no longer sandwhiched between the 2 but is closer to upper end model, wouldnt that make lock heart redundant at that point?

All depends on pricing.

 

[icerock]

I like to give benefit of doubt to every insider on here, but I'll admit, I always thought Tommy was feigning every bit of info he was handing out. It's not even the CU count, clocks etc. which is the most interesting aspect, it's the fact that he confirmed both consoles were using RDNA 2.0 when no one (not even on Xbox side) thought so. AMD stream the other week with confirmation of RDNA2 was a prelude to what happened today.

Tommy right now:

Spoiler

 

[FERN]

Are they allowing parts to be upgrade-able/customized?

 

[pasterpl]

It's not fanboy talk, it's real talk your comment on the other hand... whew.
Everyone praises sony exclusives for a reason: they're polished, they set bars for quality and they've been consistently nominated for GOTY awards in the last 10 years - not all games are like that but the majority of big releases are. I'm sorry to hurt your feelings but it's the truth.
It's all subjective though, maybe you thought crackdown 3 was amazing... well good for you.

I enjoyed crackdown 3, for what it was, it was okay. I have enjoyed forza horizon more, but I also enjoy wipeout on PS4, both systems have some great games. I have got death stranding in day one and was very disappointed, I played all uncharted games, and u4, while enjoyable, is nothing new. GOTY argument is funny as well, untitled goose game got some awards as well, overwatch got some etc. Look at Japan game awards, Nintendo is the king there! Yes, Sony makes very well made 3rd person adventure games, but what if someone is not a fan of this genre? You cannot force me to like some games simply because of few awards.

 

[Shambala]

"Only a Sith deal in absolutes" just kidding....but no one saying GitHub is the Bible, but to discard completely is asinine.

It's definitely worth considering. Might be false or inaccurate. Who knows? Answer: No one on this forum.

Lol if you think that there aren’t real ps/Xbox employees lurking in these threads that know the truth you are wrong lol

 

[semicool]

Lol if you think that there aren’t real ps/Xbox employees lurking in these threads that know the truth you are wrong lol

Yeah maybe lurking , but not posting. NDAs and integrity and all.