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[jakinov]

Simply looking at it as there's only twice as much memory to use is an oversimplification of the net benefit. How fast the RAM is and the other components at play drastically change the picture.

If I'm the CPU, my desk is RAM and and my persistent storage are the shelves at a library. Doubling my desk space would allow me to hold twice as many books from those shelves alone but my ability to pick up a book and use it would be much faster; and if i needed additional books for my table, the new super fast librarian would be able to get me books so much faster to the table compared to before. Yes I could just get a bigger table but that costs significant amount of more money, I'm not actively looking at every book at my table, and the fast librarian who can get me any other books is fast enough that increasing RAM will give me diminishing returns. It's nice to have books already on the table in case i need it, but is it worth the extra money? probably not. It's about balance. Also, a lot of the leaks/rumors have been around 12-16GB. I'm sure Microsoft also talked to devs on much they expect. For the people referencing how much RAM their current PC games use, that doesn't mean much, some games or the OS will keep things in RAM that you don't really get much of benefit for it already being there. Saves you miliseconds-seconds if you need to load it back into RAM. The amount of RAM a game can use is more or less the size of the game, and if you have a lot of it, the game/OS is going to be okay with using a lot of it instead of moving things out. But again on these next gen consoles their ability to move things into RAM will be much faster and so will be their ability to consume the RAM.

 

[10000]

them putting ram more than 16gb on those consoles wouldn't make sense on the business perspective

this is the dillema the console maker faced right now, RAM price goes up, but at the same time the demand for 4k and 8k resolurion also there,

it would be nice if sony could add more cheap 2gb ram for OS

 

[M1chl]

It was article somewhere where they stated, that due to shitty Jaguar, X1X GPU and (V)RAM in full throttle cannot even be used for something like games, for tech demos definitely could, but who cares about that. So it's really not that bad.

 

[MiyazakiHatesKojima]

Well PC's use DDR4 for system ram, some people are still on DDR3. 16gb of GDDR6 would be better than say 64gb of DDR3 for example.

PlayStation 5 will definitely have GDDR6 or at the very least 24GB of GDDR5 to make up for thr difference.

 

[DoctaThompson]

This! I see a ton of people bitching its not 24 GB of RAM and how they have been running that much for years now but you are not looking apples to apples. Can someone tell me what 16GB of GDDR6 would be equivelant to in todays consoles / PC's use of GDDR5? If you tell me 16GB of GDDR6 is equivelant to 24+ GB of GDDR5 then is there really a problem?

Pc's use GDDR6 for the last few years in gpu's.

 

[M1chl]

PlayStation 5 will definitely have GDDR6 or at the very least 24GB of GDDR5 to make up for thr difference.

Because speed and size is the same thing, you must be bomb at bed : P

 

[Stuart360]

PlayStation 5 will definitely have GDDR6 or at the very least 24GB of GDDR5 to make up for thr difference.

I think they will have 20gb, 16 for games, and 4 for the os. I think thats why they made a big deal about the texture system they are using (like they said, most games display textures the player cant even see, wasting resources, XSX can display only the textures the player can see, saving resources). I think Microsoft already know that PS5 may have a little more.

 

[Shin]

I feel there might be too many assumptions needing to be made to make a conversation viable, but I'll try. What if MS were paying 45% of the list price? Then it's $4 LESS than current gen. Totally feasible.

I don't see it, you have 4GB more than X which launched at $499 + an SSD on top of that then there's the APU itself.
I was being generous with the 50% as I worked retail all my life (different sector, but I have decent idea about pricing).
Samsung is cheaper than Micron/Hynix, you'd save some money there but the $93+- figure is where I reckon they are sitting.

 

[MiyazakiHatesKojima]

I think they will have 20gb, 16 for games, and 4 for the os. I think thats why they made a big deal about the texture system they are using (like they said, most games display textures the player cant even see, wasting resources, XSX can display only the textures the player can see, saving resources). I think Microsoft already know that PS5 may have a little more.

Both consoles are going to have some interesting trade-offs to analyze once Sony reveals the full specs of their console (hopefully soon!).

But overall, for a home console, XSX is insane, might be the most insane bang for your buck gaming pc counterpart ever released!

This gen may end up becoming the most amazing generation for console gamers.

 

[CJY]

Both consoles are going to have some interesting trade-offs to analyze once Sony reveals the full specs of their console (hopefully soon!).

But overall, for a home console, XSX is insane, might be the most insane bang for your buck gaming pc counterpart ever released!

This gen may end up becoming the most amazing generation for console gamers.

Do we actually have any indication of the price yet?

Would you still think it's the best bang for your buck at $599? or are you presuming it'll be priced $499? (It's probably $499)

Also, hasn't every gen been better than the last?

 

[JareBear: Remastered]

I have 6gb on my 980ti and i have yet to see a game max it out, even at 4k. Even the high rez texture packs that reccomend 8+gb have only used 4.9gb (Shadow and Mordor for example), albeit only at 1080p.

the last three year I’ve been gaming with an 8gig card and haven’t seen a game take up more than 5.8 gigs

not saying they don’t exist, I just haven’t played them

I do play lot of games tho

 

[MiyazakiHatesKojima]

Do we actually have any indication of the price yet?

Would you still think it's the best bang for your buck at $599? or are you presuming it'll be priced $499? (It's probably $499)

Also, hasn't every gen been better than the last?

Even if it is $599, it is still the best bang for your buck considering that computer with the same specs as the XSX/PS5 will never cost the same.

 

[Stuart360]

the last three year I’ve been gaming with an 8gig card and haven’t seen a game take up more than 5.8 gigs

not saying they don’t exist, I just haven’t played them

I do play lot of games tho

Yeah thats sounds right. You have 2gb more vram, which often means your usage will be a little higher, as you have more headroom. 4.9gb for my 6gb, 5.8 for your 8gb.
There may well be games that use more but yeah i havent played them. Some people swear the highest settings on DOOM 2016 NEED 8gb, but it only used like 4.5gb for me.

 

[Stuart360]

Do we actually have any indication of the price yet?

Would you still think it's the best bang for your buck at $599? or are you presuming it'll be priced $499? (It's probably $499)

Also, hasn't every gen been better than the last?

I think if it was going to be $599, they would of thrown an extra 4gb of ram in for the OS, maybe even a slightly higher SSD size.
Imo it will be $499. And if Lockhart exists, and it is what we think it is, that will be $299 imo.

 

[it_wasn't_me]

16GB dedicated for games would be ok, the problem is 2.5gb is reserved for a bloated OS and they've split the memory with two different speeds.

This leaves an open goal for PS5 to beat them like the'8gb GDDR5' moment

One of the option is more RAM or bigger SSD speed

 

[it_wasn't_me]

Anyway, 13.5 GB of RAM for modern AAA games.....i dunno. Especially when RT says hi. It will eat RAM pretty fast

 

[JLB]

Ram is everything graphics so 16gb is proper shit, infact complete nonesense this is why they kept talking about buzz words like vrs, cause you need tricks to worl with low memory. 16gb isnt next generation its simply a xbox one upgrade.

Considering high memory prices recession and corona virus i cant complain much but thats it 16gb is the nail in the coffin. Xbox fucked up again.

A real hardware engineer have spoken.

 

[rofif]

RAM is always one of those things you wish you had more of, but they have to draw the line somewhere. This does not look like a cheap system to build.

Still I predict in 3 years "RAM-starved" will be the new "slow Jaguar"

that's not true since like 2007. Even 8gb was fine when I still had it last year. 16gb is fine

 

[Bernkastel]

16GB dedicated for games would be ok, the problem is 2.5gb is reserved for a bloated OS and they've split the memory with two different speeds.

This leaves an open goal for PS5 to beat them like the'8gb GDDR5' moment

I think you and almost everyone here does not realise that the PS4 reserves 3 GB for the OS. Even Xbox One X reserves 3 GB for the OS. Windows Core OS on Xbox Series X already has a lower foot print then last gen consoles.

 

[Dlacy13g]

Pc's use GDDR6 for the last few years in gpu's.

Noted and understood now and looking at cards online that many have GDDR6. And as I did some searching looks like cards with 6-8 GDDR6. So looking at price tags for those its $350 to $550 just for the card. Seems to me a system that can allocate 12-13GB of GDDR6 to game usage is more than adequate especially if we have costs around $500-$600 for the system.

 

[sendit]

Bookmark this. It will be 10GB for games, 3.5 for gaming related task such as instant resume of multiple games. Having a split memory pool will require developers to constantly account for swaping in between fast and slow ram. I doubt Microsoft designed the system this way (development hell).

 

[DoctaThompson]

Noted and understood now and looking at cards online that many have GDDR6. And as I did some searching looks like cards with 6-8 GDDR6. So looking at price tags for those its $350 to $550 just for the card. Seems to me a system that can allocate 12-13GB of GDDR6 to game usage is more than adequate especially if we have costs around $500-$600 for the system.

Pc's and consoles work a bit different. Pc's have dedicated memory (16gb is pretty much the standard right now), plus the vram of the gpu, which would be gddr6 or hbm2.

I personally think xsex will be ok for the first few years, and may show deficiencies later down the road, but a series x pro might pop up, just like the one x or ps4 pro did, for a mid cycle refresh.

I just hope next gen consoles are powerful enough, so that pc gaming isn't held back again, like current gen.

 

[Jigsaah]

Sony reveals 16gigs of GDDR6 for PS5!

Sony Fans:

 

[sendit]

Pc's and consoles work a bit different. Pc's have dedicated memory (16gb is pretty much the standard right now), plus the vram of the gpu, which would be gddr6 or hbm2.

I personally think xsex will be ok for the first few years, and may show deficiencies later down the road, but a series x pro might pop up, just like the one x or ps4 pro did, for a mid cycle refresh.

I just hope next gen consoles are powerful enough, so that pc gaming isn't held back again, like current gen.

PC gaming will always be held back by consoles as PC parts are reiterated every 1-2 years.

 

[DoctaThompson]

Bookmark this. It will be 10GB for games, 3.5 for gaming related task such as instant resume of multiple games. Having a split memory pool will require developers to constantly account for swaping in between fast and slow ram. I doubt Microsoft designed the system this way (development hell).

I doubt they will swap assets between the memory like that. If I'm not mistaken, the slower memory will be used for the OS alone and mundane tasks. Doubt MS would bottleneck the system like that.

 

[SlimySnake]

I'm gonna sound really ignorant, because I don't know much about hardware these days. But I'm gonna post this anyway.

The PS2 had about ten times the amount of RAM of the PS1. The PS3 had more than eight times the RAM of the PS2. And the PS4 had 16 times the total RAM of the PS3. So, we're really settling for just 16GB of RAM for next gen? Maybe it has something to do with the speed. But so did previous gens.

I don't get it. But please be gentle with me, because I don't know much about this stuff anymore.

the ssd speeds are essentially 100x higher than what devs had to code with on the base xbox one and ps4 ssds.

ssds will help mitigate the small increase in ram.

that said, only 10 gb ram is pretty low.

 

[Dunnas]

Bookmark this. It will be 10GB for games, 3.5 for gaming related task such as instant resume of multiple games. Having a split memory pool will require developers to constantly account for swaping in between fast and slow ram. I doubt Microsoft designed the system this way (development hell).

Why would we Bookmark that? We already know that you are wrong. It is 13.5GB for games and generally, from what they’ve said, CPU and other non GPU related tasks will use more than 3.5GB, which means the GPU will only be using the faster ram. Also, I’m not sure how you think 3.5GB of ram will be used for resuming multiple games. That is what the SSD allows for. Moving the total ram state to storage very quickly.

 

[skneogaf]

Not once have I ever needed all the ram on my 2080ti, not ever and I play at 4k. Maybe these guys have done their maths and know their stuff

 

[EverydayBeast]

I do think SONY will supply the ram but won't break the bank over it.

 

[DrAspirino]

Do we actually have any indication of the price yet?

Would you still think it's the best bang for your buck at $599? or are you presuming it'll be priced $499? (It's probably $499)

Also, hasn't every gen been better than the last?

Consider this: an eVGA RTX 2070 card (that has a similar performance) costs $525 alone, not including SSDs, nor mobo, nor anything at all. Even at $600 the Xbox Series X and the PS5 (presumably) would be an excellent bang-for-buck for gaming.

 

[CJY]

Consider this: an eVGA RTX 2070 card (that has a similar performance) costs $525 alone, not including SSDs, nor mobo, nor anything at all. Even at $600 the Xbox Series X and the PS5 (presumably) would be an excellent bang-for-buck for gaming.

Consider this: Nvidia makes about 40-65% net profit in their consumer division whereas consoles are generally sold at a loss. In other words: comparing a console to a GPU is basically useless and offers almost nothing of value.

 

[DoctaThompson]

Consider this: an eVGA RTX 2070 card (that has a similar performance) costs $525 alone, not including SSDs, nor mobo, nor anything at all. Even at $600 the Xbox Series X and the PS5 (presumably) would be an excellent bang-for-buck for gaming.

People with pc's already, can easily just buy a gpu, and have better performance than next gen consoles, for cheaper or similar price as next gen consoles.

 

[Deleted member 775630]

Ram is everything graphics so 16gb is proper shit, infact complete nonesense this is why they kept talking about buzz words like vrs, cause you need tricks to worl with low memory. 16gb isnt next generation its simply a xbox one upgrade.

Considering high memory prices recession and corona virus i cant complain much but thats it 16gb is the nail in the coffin. Xbox fucked up again.

Can you expand on this? Why this is exactly a problem. And don't give me this "you need tricks", give me proper examples.

 

[Whitecrow]

When the game storage and hence, texture streaming, is this fast, you can swap texture data in a way it coudlnt be done before, and just a bit of careful design is enough to have all the textures you need at any given time, unless you are making an open world with infinite drawing distance and 100% texture quality at any distance.

 

[Dory16]

I personally have 96GB of RAM for my Mac and regularly push 30GB+ used just doing normal things. (no video editing or creating of any kind. When I do, i'll use a lottt more)

Why stop there? why don't you use a terabyte of ram in your imaginary Mac just in case you one day easily easily push 31GB+? That woud make a lot more sense.

 

[Dory16]

16GB is an absolute joke. It's pathetic. If that's to be shared between CPU + GPU then it's even worse.

On PC I've seen games use as much as 13GB RAM and 7GB VRAM. So what chance of earth do these new consoles have?

Imo, 22GB should be the minimum. 16GB for CPU and 6GB for GPU.

We keep hearing about how these consoles will run at 4K and how people want 60-120fps. Yeah, not with 16GB RAM. 4K eats a shit load of memory due to textures and the higher the frame rate the higher the frame buffer in VRAM.

16GB is just not enough. Say the OS uses 2-3GB well that's you lost 13-19% straight away. 13-14GB is very little to work with.

Sure, it's a big improvement over what we have now but I just hope people keep their expectations in check. It'll be a case of high resolution OR Frame rate.

4k 30fps. 1440p 60fps, 1080p 120fps. I reckon those would be the standards for most games. Some games could hit 4k 120fps but it would be the exception not the rule.

Microsoft + Sony really know how to spin bullshit and console owners are lapping it right up and asking for more. When they are confronted with facts they are in pure denial.

That's why nobody hired you to design a game console. Stick to your contoller please. Whine and let others innovate. Thanks..

 

[CJY]

Why stop there? why don't you use a terabyte of ram in your imaginary Mac just in case you one day easily easily push 31GB+? That woud make a lot more sense.

Imaginary mac? What you talking about?

128GB is actually the maximum RAM quantity for my machine, but then it gets reduced down to running in dual channel. 16GB X 6 is actually the fastest and most optimal as it runs in triple-channel.

And here's my current RAM usage:

Obviously a massive amount is cached memory, but all I'm doing it browsing with 7 tabs and I've just booted up.

 

[DoctaThompson]

Why stop there? why don't you use a terabyte of ram in your imaginary Mac just in case you one day easily easily push 31GB+? That woud make a lot more sense.

Why are you doubting his ram size? There are computers with 2 terabytes of ram. 96gbs isn't even 1/20th of that. Many gamers, myself included, have 32gb of ram. Overkill, but not insane. For people who use AutoCAD and other modeling software can definitely use plenty of ram, or even people who do editing and virtualization.

 

[polybius80]

Pc is limited to this shity consoles cause now theyll target 16gb bullcrap

maybe that is why they seem more interested in fast streaming from SSD, most devs just want to have everything on RAM like the entire map and take some stuff for the map but realistically you cannot have that improving in every generation it worked very well for many generations but maybe is not as improved this time, games will now be designed with fast streaming so they can get away with less ram than what you may expect from a generational jump, not having 5+ times as much ram as last gen is not necessarily bad

 

[JLB]

Imaginary mac? What you talking about?

baby jesus, 96 gb right there. i have 32gb on my new 2020 16” mbp. such a monster laptop.

 

[DoctaThompson]

baby jesus, 96 gb right there. i have 32gb on my new 2020 16” mbp. such a monster laptop.

I don't get why people pull the Xdoubt card, when they have absolutely no idea what they are talking about. 96gb of ram is the equivalent of saying you have a high end Bugatti apparently.

 

[JLB]

I don't get why people pull the Xdoubt card, when they have absolutely no idea what they are talking about. 96gb of ram is the equivalent of saying you have a high end Bugatti apparently.

its not the norm, heck not even 32 gb are the average. But as mentioned before, i know some pals that work on 3d modeling and photoshop, and they have crazy amount of ram.

 

[GymWolf]

i think this lack of ram problem is gonna be greatly reduced when M and sony are gonna present ps5 pro and SeX with god tier pornostar in 3 years like they already did in this gen.

can they resist 3 years with only 13-14 gb of ram for games? probably yes.

 

[FlyyGOD]

Some people want the world for pennies. How much do you guys want this thing to cost? 16 gigs of DDR 6 and virtual ram from the SSD plus hardware accelerated ray tracing with be just fine for a closed console.

 

[DoctaThompson]

its not the norm, heck not even 32 gb are the average. But as mentioned before, i know some pals that work on 3d modeling and photoshop, and they have crazy amount of ram.

But computers can't use more than 16gb of ram!

/S

 

[JLB]

i think this lack of ram problem is gonna be greatly reduced when M and sony are gonna present ps5 pro and SeX with god tier pornostar in 3 years like they already did in this gen.

can they resist 3 years with only 13-14 gb of ram for games? probably yes.

i think the ssd solution has a lot to do with the amount of ram, at least they mentioned they can use as much as 100gb as virtual memory.

 

[GymWolf]

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[GymWolf]

People with pc's already, can easily just buy a gpu, and have better performance than next gen consoles, for cheaper or similar price as next gen consoles.

not if you have to add a speedy ssd, upgraded ram and cpu.
i have a 8600k, a not fancy 550gb ssd, a 2070super and 16gb of ddr4 at 3200, so basically a sex console fuck my pc in the ass without vaseline and with blood coming out from the hole right now.
i'm gonna need a new intel 8 core cpu, a new mobo, a new gpu and probably faster ram to get noticeably better than a sex\ps5. (also a new psu, my 550w bronze doesn't cut anymore with that upgrade)

 

[Celcius]

I have 6gb on my 980ti and i have yet to see a game max it out, even at 4k. Even the high rez texture packs that reccomend 8+gb have only used 4.9gb (Shadow and Mordor for example), albeit only at 1080p.

Final fantasy 15 would like to have a word

 

[DoctaThompson]

not if you have to add a speedy ssd, upgraded ram and cpu.
i have a 8600k, a not fancy 550gb ssd, a 2070super and 16gb of ddr4 at 3200, so basically a sex console fuck my pc in the ass without vaseline and with blood coming out from the hole right now.
i'm gonna need a new intel 8 core cpu, a new mobo, a new gpu and probably faster ram to get noticeably better than a sex\ps5. (also a new psu, my 550w bronze doesn't cut anymore with that upgrade)

So you honestly think consoles will best your current setup? Please don't give in to the hype. From those specs alone, you'll have much better performance than next gen consoles. Check out detailed analysis when consoles release, and you won't be let down at all, with your hardware.