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[Sosokrates]

yeah, ofcourse you would say that. I must be Dark10X and Richard xbox fanboy leadbetter that made videos touting 9.2TFlop github leak and posted it to the world, or IGN, Gamespot, and the rest of the fake news gaming media. This 9.2TF agenda was carefully constructed by the above with the purpose of MS gaining goodwill, mindshare over the Playstation brand after their massive fuckups early this gen. Go read some cringe garbage comments on TrashEra, people saying "oh MS you understand us gamers, you love and care for us" Somewhere out there, theres the clink of champagne glasses as the shills and strategists say "mission accomplished".

Put down that crack pipe, those media sites just report it because it was from legitimate source.
I dont think ms would go to this much trouble to try and gain "hearts and minds" if there was a chance the PS5 could be more powerful lol.

 

[01011001]

yeah, ofcourse you would say that. I must be Dark10X and Richard xbox fanboy leadbetter that made videos touting 9.2TFlop github leak and posted it to the world, or IGN, Gamespot, and the rest of the fake news gaming media. This 9.2TF agenda was carefully constructed by the above with the purpose of MS gaining goodwill, mindshare over the Playstation brand after their massive fuckups early this gen. Go read some cringe garbage comments on TrashEra, people saying "oh MS you understand us gamers, you love and care for us" Somewhere out there, theres the clink of champagne glasses as the shills and strategists say "mission accomplished".

Digital Foundry BAD!

 

[Matreios Raven]

I have a feeling PS5 might be 10.5 TF max now.

 

[Sosokrates]

OMG SONY DID IT AGAIN THEY HAVE DEMOLISHED XBOX IN POWER.....AGAIN, BOOM

Hahaha.

I hope you dont actually believe this.

 

[Disco_]

I bet the PS5's SSD will be faster. the point of interest is the heat and reliability tho. SSDs get hot when under intensive use... very hot even. so hot people put heatsinks on them after all. Microsoft seems to be very specific about their system having absolutely no thermal throttling of any kind including the SSD. so the SSD is designed to run at that promised speed at all times.

my fears are that Sony will not be able to consistently hit that high performance with their SSD that they promise, and that could be an issue. so I hope they are very confident in their thermals, hell maybe the super expensive cooling solution that is often brought up is also including the SSD? maybe that's what makes it so expensive?

NVME is designed to run hot and cooling the chips themselves can be detrimental and can shorten life span. All you need is a thermal pad on the controller and call it a day.
As for the second part, about MS guaranteeing constant speeds on the SSD, that's silly as well. You can't guaranteed theoretical max/compression speeds.

And please, stop the concern trolling when it comes to ps5. You're not clever enough to pull it off.

 

[Sosokrates]

I have a feeling PS5 might be 10.5 TF max now.

Nah its 13.3tf

 

[mitchman]

What is this weirdo trying to say?

That he ran out of his meds.

 

[Red-Town]

Sell toilet paper i guess

Sony Playstation 5 Pandemic Edition
*Comes with one roll of toilet paper and hand sanitizer.

That's a system seller right there.

 

[Reindeer]

There is no physical way that's possible on 12TF.

B E L I E V E

 

[Null_Key]

Hahaha.

I hope you dont actually believe this.

I actually like both consoles, I did it in jest from the original quote.

 

[CthulhuPL]

What if this virus lasts way into 2021 and beyond unabated? What is Sony going to do then?

Look at MS. They don't have a problem with it. I'll bet my ass that they will launch in 2020.

 

[Matreios Raven]

To be quite honest, waiting for some kind of response from Sony is rather tiring. I’m quickly losing interest in the PS5 and next gen in general.

 

[Gamernyc78]

I have a feeling PS5 might be 10.5 TF max now.

Yeah tales from my ass is telling me tht too

 

[Sosokrates]

I actually like both consoles, I did it in jest from the original quote.

I know, you're hilarious.

 

[demigod]

Sell toilet paper i guess

Sony Playstation 5 Pandemic Edition
*Comes with one roll of toilet paper and hand sanitizer.

That's a system seller right there.

Y’all dirty, Japan uses bidet btw.

 

[StreetsofBeige]

I have a feeling PS5 might be 10.5 TF max now.

All these insiders seem to be at 11-13tf, with most more like 12-13tf. I'm even going to ignore the recent wild calls like 14 and "up to 15tf" the past week.

I'm going to throw a non-insider guess using my whopping zero knowledge about how specs are calculated.

And for sake of being different than you: PS5 at 10.6-10.9tf. Or as some people would write it: Black and Decker toaster < 10.59 tf < X marks the spot < 10.91 tf < neutron bomb

That will have me purposely outside of all the whispering insider claims, as well as the 9.2tf.

 

[01011001]

NVME is designed to run hot and cooling the chips themselves can be detrimental and can shorten life span. All you need is a thermal pad on the controller and call it a day.
As for the second part, about MS guaranteeing constant speeds on the SSD, that's silly as well. You can't guaranteed theoretical max/compression speeds.

And please, stop the concern trolling when it comes to ps5. You're not clever enough to pull it off.

how about you not implying intent of other people you don't know. we need a new term here, I think "Tech SJWs" would be nice... "if you are not 100% on my side you're a nazi, and we tell what your intent is because we can read minds! Also we don't like evidence and go by feelings because my feelings don't care about your facts!"

 

[Sosokrates]

Wow, I didn't read this post in it's entirety sorry...….Not bad......So you are saying PS fans actually planted the 9.2TF leak so they would come bragging when it is not 9.2TF, but it also beats Series X 12TF console.....Nice conspiracy theory......You are a budding spin-artist that's for sure.....Though I think you should spin something more tangible......You are looking like a mime over here, spinning open air...


I always dream big...….You give me 9.2TF or 15.05TF......I'll take 15.05TF......I'm cool with 13.3TF, but I always want better....Always...

Well you never know......With the number of times I see this PR below being being quoted, you never know...

There are some for sure doing this.
Its so transparent,

For example thruway does, the guy is a huge playstation fanboy and yet he keeps saying xsx will be more powerful.

 

[Gudji]

Y’all dirty, Japan uses bidet btw.

Call me when we start using the three shells!

 

[Three Jackdaws]

NVME is designed to run hot and cooling the chips themselves can be detrimental and can shorten life span. All you need is a thermal pad on the controller and call it a day.
As for the second part, about MS guaranteeing constant speeds on the SSD, that's silly as well. You can't guaranteed theoretical max/compression speeds.

And please, stop the concern trolling when it comes to ps5. You're not clever enough to pull it off.

additional note: apply cold water to burns

 

[it_wasn't_me]

CUs and all the other specs from the people in that discussion were totally off.

He bingo'ed 64 CU for 12.1TF, which was taken from a guy who based on spec with 48gb of GDDR6 ram, 3.2ghz cpus at about 1.5 ghz, and a 4TB SSD

Tommy was spot on for RDNA, CU count, gpu ghz, and TF

Yeah but before anyone else he said that both consoles are double digit TF and Navi. Anyway, his "bingo" post was related to TF count only, not CUs, CPU clock and other, but pure TF count.

Nobody knew what SeX was going to be, but they gave a vague "double the power of X" in December.

Double digit TF and Navi also. So, Klee was right about that. Of course some insiders won't say exact number, rather in some cryptic way.

 

[Null_Key]

Sony Playstation 5 Pandemic Edition
*Comes with one roll of toilet paper and hand sanitizer.

That's a system seller right there.

Y’all dirty, Japan uses bidet btw.

At least it comes with a hand sanitizer and a roll of toliet paper, Microsoft would put that behind a paywall like under gamepass. "Want a roll of toliet paper, buy our subscription." But Sony's would probably use a Costco toliet paper and not charmin.

 

[Red-Town]

Y’all dirty, Japan uses bidet btw.

I think everyone that is not named the USA uses a bidet.

 

[VFXVeteran]

This is one of the articles saying 100 fps.

Gears 5 Is Coming to Xbox Series X With Improvements, Possible 120 FPS Support

Gears 5 is getting major technical improvements on Xbox Series X, and the new version is a free upgrade anyone who bought it on Xbox One.

www.gamespot.com

I read that. It doesn't specify the resolution or the graphics features enabled to run 100 FPS. It reads like 2 different paragraphs (and I'm sure it is). The other question is why wouldn't the optimizations to the engine not be available for the Nvidia/AMD GPUs? UE4.0 has a LOT of frame-pacing issues. Some of the UE games with very little features are still bottlenecked. We don't see this with every graphics engine.

 

[01011001]

I read that. It doesn't specify the resolution or the graphics features enabled to run 100 FPS. It reads like 2 different paragraphs (and I'm sure it is). The other question is why wouldn't the optimizations to the engine not be available for the Nvidia/AMD GPUs?

because they ported it to SX within a few weeks? and might add these improvements later down the line? you know?

 

[Negotiator]

Btw, a 3.8 GHz 8-core Zen 2 CPU can offer almost 1TF of FP32 performance (972.8 GF to be precise). Not sure if SMT helps even further.

The formula goes like this: 3800 MHz * 8 cores * 32 floating point operations (AVX2).

Source: https://en.wikichip.org/wiki/flops

 

[VFXVeteran]

because they ported it to SX within a few weeks? and might add these improvements later down the line? you know?

I don't guess. I find out the facts first.

 

[saintjules]

Finally getting down to watching this. Does Austin accidentally reveal the month of September for release?

 

[it_wasn't_me]

lol so simply because XSX is 12.1 Teraflops, how in the world could people even speculate that PS5 is 25 TF? 13 TF is far more believable than that.

Why they wouldn't? Read the Eurogamer article about XSX's 25 TF.

 

[THEAP99]

As of today, Sony has no more arguments to hide the ps5.

Unfortunately it’s clear to me that they are waiting till PS4’s lineup is out.

 

[demigod]

Call me when we start using the three shells!

Offtopic but I’m not familiar with this, where is it and what does it do?

 

[Disco_]

how about you not implying intent of other people you don't know. we need a new term here, I think "Tech SJWs" would be nice... "if you are not 100% on my side you're a nazi, and we tell what your intent is because we can read minds! Also we don't like evidence and go by feelings because my feelings don't care about your facts!"

What's "my side"? Go ahead, play the victim but again, you're not that clever.
When you start posting facts, I'll take you seriously.

 

[01011001]

I don't guess. I find out the facts first.

well that's one possibility... we know the port was made pretty fast and the improvements we see might be results on the work on Gears 6.

 

[Sosokrates]

Unfortunately it’s clear to me that they are waiting till PS4’s lineup is out.

Cowards.

 

[DeepEnigma]

The only reason for such defence strategy is the inevitable sony fanboy response of

"OMG SONY DID IT AGAIN THEY HAVE DEMOLISHED XBOX IN POWER.....AGAIN, BOOM"

Many people have thought ps5 would be more powerful, choosing to believe klee, osirisblack and tommy fisher.

I actually think some sony fans have pushed the 9.2tf github narrative, when they actually believed klee all along, so in there mind if the ps5 was more powerful they can claim it as some massive victory.

These people are mentally ill and need to be helped.

Seek help.

 

[Gudji]

Offtopic but I’m not familiar with this, where is it and what does it do?

It's from demolition man movie:



Btw you asked a good question... after 27 years there's still no answer to that.

 

[VFXVeteran]

well that's one possibility... we know the port was made pretty fast and the improvements we see might be results on the work on Gears 6.

I'm going to let experience and common sense do the work for me. There really isn't any kind of secret sauce going on nor will ever be at this stage (except Switch games). They are all using DX and XSX and PCs are pretty tightly coupled.

 

[01011001]

When you start posting facts, I'll take you seriously.
And again, your intent is clear.

facts like the chips in the github leaks are real? facts like 52 active CUs doesn't disprove the 56CU chip tested in the github leak? because whenever I do some fanboy comes along with nonsensical bullshit trying to discredit these facts, which are facts... straight hard facts. but facts are not welcome on this thread, which is why I made the comparison to your typical twitter SJWs... "we don't like facts... if you present facts we do everything to spin it our way and discredit the source of these facts! and if we don't have arguments left we REEEEEEEEEEE", on in the case of this thread, spam laughing emojis

 

[MisterXDTV]

Unfortunately it’s clear to me that they are waiting till PS4’s lineup is out.

Well Xbox doesn't have any exclusive so they reveal hardware every 6 months. It seems like yesterday they were revealing the 6TF Xbox One X.

Playstation still has GAMES to sell on PS4 before next-gen begins

 

[Matreios Raven]

Why they wouldn't? Read the Eurogamer article about XSX's 25 TF.

Okay, I get it now.

 

[Null_Key]

I read that. It doesn't specify the resolution or the graphics features enabled to run 100 FPS. It reads like 2 different paragraphs (and I'm sure it is). The other question is why wouldn't the optimizations to the engine not be available for the Nvidia/AMD GPUs? UE4.0 has a LOT of frame-pacing issues. Some of the UE games with very little features are still bottlenecked. We don't see this with every graphics engine.

Well Consoles do have one distinct advantage over traditional pc model, essentially the entire northern bridge of the PC and GPU are built into the SOC with low level optimization, in many ways it also keeps the consoles to somewhat keep up, but I'm with you PC brute power is overwhelming and I have my reservation on true 4K 120fps unless its games like racing or have some of its graphics fidelity is given up. Metro killed the FPS count on SLI systems in 4K with all the particles etc maxed out. I give the console credit for being more practical due to it's locked spec nature, but the amount of processing power needed could be overwhelming.

 

[devilNprada]

I keep seeing people saying sub $500. I wouldn't be too sure of that at this point. To be honest I am over here damn near praying for $499.

I expect $599+ people bring up PS3 but they sold 85m
108m @ 399 = 43bn
85m @ 599 = 50.9bn

MS sells a crappy old model surface $599
Sony just announced a $1,300 phone..
IMO: they won't be cheap like people think

Also Anecdotal: Our Chinese mfg facilities are running at full capacity at this time.

 

[Apollo Helios]

52 active CUs at 2.0Ghz ~ 13.3TFlops
PS5

52 active CUs at 1.82Ghz ~ 12.1TFlops
XseX


gl

wow I believe him now.

Next time you see Cerny will be FP16 calculations.

And given what he tried to pull off last time by saying PS4 Pro is 8.4 TF (using FP16) when X was launching soon at 6 TF straight up, if he gets on stage and starts talking FP16, you know something sneaky is being promoted.

For what I understood, it's the power you would require for RT without dedicated hardware solutions: 25 TFs.
DF itself said that to calculate RT normally SeX would need 12 TF only for that process, therefore 12+12= 24. It's not 25 but still, that's the concept.
It's no surprise RTX card can handle something absurd like RT but do not offer HUGE improvements from the 1000 series when it's off. Same for SeX, it's not like it's really the equivalent of a 25 TFs card.
Edit: plus I dunno if it is a MS spin, I'm citing DF here.

This Int4 and Int8 calculations and half packed math=fp16 seems like a secret sauce on AMD's part for RT solutions against Nvidia. From what I understand, AMD doesn't have specific RT cores like in RTX cards but somehow integrated hardware acceleration into their own compute units, so each and every one of them can be considered as 'RT cores' as well while also being compute units. That is why 12TF gpu is roughly doubled to give an estimate figure as to how performant it is when doing RT. Since each CU is now hardware BVH traversal, collision detection and thus ray tracing acceleration capable, it is not a portion of the chip that is hw accelerating it but the whole chip (at least GPU portion of it), and since RT calculation is running in parallel to standard rasterization and shading, it is in fact acting as though it is a 24 or 25TF chip doing the graphics.

@Mod of War just a question man .looking back at the spec document tommy shared with you at the begining and you allowed him to continue to stay in thread till reveals, how legit you feel they were ?

I'm wondering about this as well. Can we get a glimpse, say like the supposed DS5 image?

 

[Zero707]

Unfortunately it’s clear to me that they are waiting till PS4’s lineup is out.

ohh shii MLB rage guy, hey i'm your biggest fan

 

[StreetsofBeige]

Why they wouldn't? Read the Eurogamer article about XSX's 25 TF.

I read it.

12tf of normal stuff and another 13tf from RT hardware = it's like 25tf when running RT games.

Awesome. Good to see DF get first coverage of SeX and tell gamers this:

"Without hardware acceleration, this work could have been done in the shaders, but would have consumed over 13 TFLOPs alone," says Andrew Goossen. "For the Series X, this work is offloaded onto dedicated hardware and the shader can continue to run in parallel with full performance. In other words, Series X can effectively tap the equivalent of well over 25 TFLOPs of performance while ray tracing."

 

[DeepEnigma]

It's from demolition man movie:



Btw you asked a good question... after 27 years there's still no answer to that.

 

[JLB]

Well Xbox doesn't have any exclusive so they reveal hardware every 6 months. It seems like yesterday they were revealing the 6TF Xbox One X.

Playstation still has GAMES to sell on PS4 before next-gen begins

The irony of saying this when Ori was released less than 10 days ago.

 

[Hawking Radiation]

OMFG I'm dying - lmfao

 

[Apollo Helios]

I think everyone that is not named the USA uses a bidet.

What's a bidet?

 

[MisterXDTV]

The irony of saying this when 10 days ago Ori was released.

It's on PC as well. You want to compare Ori to The Last of Us 2?