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Digital Foundry - PS5 Reveal Analysis & Reaction

Kagoshima_Luke

Gold Member
Ok ill bite, what CONSOLE reveals have been better objectively?

None, because there is no objectively best way to reveal a console. It's clear from this reveal. Some believe it was the best ever. Others think issues like the stream quality, lack of dev commentary (how is their game pushing new boundies with the new hardware/SSD?), overall game choice, lack of gameplay for certain titles, etc, made it less than optimal.
 
None, because there is no objectively best way to reveal a console. It's clear from this reveal. Some believe it was the best ever. Others think issues like the stream quality, lack of dev commentary (how is their game pushing new boundies with the new hardware/SSD?), overall game choice, lack of gameplay for certain titles, etc, made it less than optimal.
Maybe objectively was too strong a stance. However I firmly believe you will be hard pressed to find a better console reveal if your focus is a wide plethora of games.
 

Gamerguy84

Member
So these games still have some dev time and tools mature and efficiency and performance gets better but so far it looks like 4k RT 30fps or 4k no RT 60 fps.

It will be nice if they give us choice. Performance or graphics mode.
 
20 minutes in and they have already heaped lots of praise on the presentation. How are they biased against Sony again?
I am tired of this.

''Sonygaf'', ''Sonyera'', ''sony digital foundry'', ''sonyworld'', ''sonygod'', ''sony Illuminati''
Why so difficult to accept that they just keep praising reasonably the best gaming brand in the industry. Deal with it.
They love gaming they praise sony.
1+1=two.

In a parallel universe could be atari.
 
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TLZ

Banned
they are whenever the narrative fits for Sony fanboys.
and when they are praising Sony they will gladly take their word as gospel.

they were among the people that always stood by the github leaks as being real, and back then that obviously didn't sit well with Sony fans, so they were declared Xbox fanboys partly because of that.
even tho, anyone who wasn't blinded by fanboyism knew the leaks would be very close to the final hardware
Again with the GitHub. You guys just won't drop it will you? Have it your way. I'll give you a better one too. The PS5 is 8tf. Yet it can still produce mind-blowing graphics like the UE5 demo. That's one hell of a 8tf machine don't you think?

Also, praising DF only when praising Sony is wrong. You're twisting it. It's about fans seeing credit given where it's due. And many times DF did the opposite this gen, especially Richard. Fans were rightfully mad. He's been declared Xbox biased since the start of this gen (or even last gen I'm not sure, I wasn't following then). We all know why so let's not play pretend here. Please don't twist things.
 
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Xbox has a 20% TFLOPS advantage and 33% more compute units. So its a third more powerful in terms of RT hardware.
Even using your exaggerated numbers it does not equal a 100% increase in performance. Or 50% reduction depending on how you math. At best your looking at a 8ish fps advantage in the absolute best case scenario. The PS5 GPU is in between a 2080 and 2080S closer to the 2080S the X series X is inbetween a 2080s and 2080TI closer to the 2080S. Dont set yourself up for disappointment.
 

Hendrick's

If only my penis was as big as my GamerScore!
This crushed the PS4 reveal. I dont think it was even close.

Ratchet >>>>>knack
Horizon 2 >>>> KZSF
GT7 >>> Drive Club
Returnal >> resogun
Spiderman >> Infamous
Demon Souls >>>>>>.....
Sackboy/LBP >>>>>>.....
Destruction Allstars >>>>>>.....
All games minor filler >>>>>>>> PR speak
I think Killzone SF reveal was better than anything shown here. At the time, it was jaw dropping and it was actual gameplay.
 

Joey.

Member
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Off-topic: What is the guys name or his videos called again? I've been trying to find those videos on YouTube for years now but I can never find it.
 
I think Killzone SF reveal was better than anything shown here. At the time, it was jaw dropping and it was actual gameplay.
Well we know as of KZSF on gorilla games have been pretty close to gameplay from thier reveals (i think Killzone 2 will forever haunt them) so i trust the Horizon 2 reval is indicative of gameplay or atleast in engine. If you go back and watch that, Spiderman and Ratchet in 4k its atleast as impressive as KZSF was back then.
 

Jesb

Member
O.T but how long you think those video graphics took to make for the unveil. What software is used to make all that.
 
I see 30fps and suddenly all that tech is meaningless

For the love of God 1440p 60fps please

Or no RT for better frame rate option

Gran Turismo 7 has RT and 4K 60fps.

I get what you mean though. I hope there's option for most games similar to Demon's Soul option for 60fps.
 
Again with the GitHub. You guys just won't drop it will you? Have it your way. I'll give you a better one too. The PS5 is 8tf. Yet it can still produce mind-blowing graphics like the UE5 demo. That's one hell of a 8tf machine don't you think?

Also, praising DF only when praising Sony is wrong. You're twisting it. It's about fans seeing credit given where it's due. And many times DF did the opposite this gen, especially Richard. Fans were rightfully mad. He's been declared Xbox biased since the start of this gen (or even last gen I'm not sure, I wasn't following then). We all know why so let's not play pretend here. Please don't twist things.

Richard is definitely bias but he's good at hiding it. That Alex though tainted DF reputation.
 

Romulus

Member
I think Ratchet and Clank should have a lower resolution option to hit 60fps. Even if its 1440p. I honestly don't think the RT looks good either, seems like more of waste and for DF zoom lenses. It looks good, I just think alot of resources are being wasted on things that don't really add much to it.
 
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So...the most impressive looking Ps5 games revealed (Horizon, Ratchet et al...) are probably rendering at native 4K.

That's so frustrating to me...I still cannot believe that those next gen consoles (PS5 and XsX) are fit for native 4K. It's just a waste of power that could be used to improve other assets like geometry, textures and shadow maps.

4K is a jump FAR beyond then the one we got with PS3/360 to PS4/ONE and even higher than the one we got when we transitioned from PS2 to PS3....

1440p with state of the art antialiasing like the one Insomniac utilizes was the way to go. The image quality of the UE5 PS5 demo was pristine and that was 1440p.
 

emperor84

Neo Member
Quality of this video is great.

takeaways so far:

Ratchet & Clank 4K native/30fps with RT
Godfall is Native 4K/60fps but RT seems absent now.
Horizon was Native 4K/30fps

4k makes the games look like ps4.5. i'd take the 1440p unreal engine 5 look anyday. Ratchet & Clank and stray look unreal engine like so i know its possible to get that look
 
the problem is we had console refresh mid gen with the One X and Pro, which were pumping out games like Red Dead, Last of Us 2, Gears 5 etc. Had we still been playing original x1 and Ps4 games, mostly at 900p and 30fps, this showcase of next gen games would have been more impressive. Problem is, games like Red dead and Last of us 2 look more impressive than 90% of games we are seeing with next gen. Im sure this will change in time..
 
To actually address this, MS showed what was supposedly real footage of
Halo Infinite Cutscenes in 60 FPS. They could pull a Uncharted 4, but they seem to have really thrown their lot in with 60 FPS support
Really it was a troll response to a troll post. But since you took the time to form a valid point, my argument is good job? X series X can run a X1X game at 60FPS maybe?
 
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Deleted member 471617

Unconfirmed Member
Will be very disappointed if the majority of exclusives on PS5 are only 30FPS.
 

thelastword

Banned
Richard seems pretty pessimistic, why don't they explain what the game is doing that's next gen? So people can say.... stop talking and show me the games Richard?

Also Richard saying Sony didn't advertise the price is a mistake is hilarious, he terms it as if he is disappointed. He is so concerned for Sony, that he is arguing and insinuating that PS5 is going to be priced high, so they should get it out the way. However, if Sony announces a price now MS can definitely react to it...... :unsure:

No Richard, it makes no sense to announce a price so early. Besides, looking at how much the world is gasping for any PS5 announcement and news, that could be another event in and of itself......No need to worry Richard, PS5 don't need your advice on marketing and selling a console....I think they got that covered, going by four generations now....
 

DeepEnigma

Gold Member
Richard seems pretty pessimistic, why don't they explain what the game is doing that's next gen? So people can say.... stop talking and show me the games Richard?

Also Richard saying Sony didn't advertise the price is a mistake is hilarious, he terms it as if he is disappointed. He is so concerned for Sony, that he is arguing and insinuating that PS5 is going to be priced high, so they should get it out the way. However, if Sony announces a price now MS can definitely react to it...... :unsure:

No Richard, it makes no sense to announce a price so early. Besides, looking at how much the world is gasping for any PS5 announcement and news, that could be another event in and of itself......No need to worry Richard, PS5 don't need your advice on marketing and selling a console....I think they got that covered, going by four generations now....

Has he shown the same concern about Microsoft and why they haven’t announced their price yet?
 

thelastword

Banned
Has he shown the same concern about Microsoft and why they haven’t announced their price yet?
No, you know how it goes.

Good ol' Rich even tried his best to balance the scales by saying Sony showed less gameplay towards the end and had too much variety and not necessarily a nextgen push. So I guess to say, in retrospect MS's game-showcase was "about par", "like for like".....with what we saw from Sony.
 

Codes 208

Member
I think Killzone SF reveal was better than anything shown here. At the time, it was jaw dropping and it was actual gameplay.
Yeah ultimately being a terribly repetitive game didnt take away from that “holy shit” factor during the reveal.
Not that H2 looked bad or anything.
 
Loool Richard that moron says he wasn’t happy with the stream, mentioned it was poor 1080p 30FPS stream when 4K is available, my mans been living under a rock for the last few months, YouTube have restricted bandwidth along with many other social media sites due to the lockdown.

He mentions in his article MS have been talking about 60FPS and 120FPS (yet we saw no games in their reveal running at those frames) and That all of Sony’s showing were somewhat lacklustre at 30FPS.

The guy is pretty good at hiding his bias but after reading his article, yikes.
 

Redlight

Member
This crushed the PS4 reveal. I dont think it was even close.

Ratchet >>>>>knack
Horizon 2 >>>> KZSF
GT7 >>> Drive Club
Returnal >> resogun
Spiderman >> Infamous
Demon Souls = Bloodborn
Sackboy/LBP >>>>>>.....
Destruction Allstars >>>>>>.....
All games minor filler >>>>>>>> PR speak


I think people are disputing the claim that any reveal is 'objectively' better than any other. What's good in gaming is very subjective.
 
One point they raised which I never considered, buy the digital only version and you are losing Blu-Ray movie playback and crucially, if we get it, back compatibility with previous PS gens.

Hmmm.

I thought about that, but then I realized I haven't bought a blu-ray in forever, game or movie. I also don't sell my old consoles, so the 4 will still be around should I feel the urge to watch a movie or fire up something from this generation. My initial reaction was basically, "Wut, no way....wait...hmm, well, actually..."
 
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