HotPocket69
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I mean, that’s basically what it is. Ellie is a teen and Ashley Johnson is 36.
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All The Last of Us 2 leaks/spoilers in here and nowhere else.
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I mean, that’s basically what it is. Ellie is a teen and Ashley Johnson is 36.
Oddvintagechap
Banned
Everything he said in that talk applied to the first game. Art is allowed to be “Political“. But again the agenda isnt a political one, its about social acceptance of what is. Bunch of people will play this game waiting for the LGBT commentary, and when it doesn’t come in the form they’re looking for, they’ll be forced to ask themselves: Why did I think a game with a gay character had to be about gayness? That realization may provide an opportunity for self-reflection and eventually a change in perception. If you do want to see “The Last of Us” as a franchise about Feminism , that reaction may say more about your own assumptions than anything Druckmann himself is bringing to the table. I dont see how the diversity of his employees being represented in this game or not having a character dressed like a hooker is a political one. Then you can say that the opposite is true. Having no diversity or a sleazy main character is political. I could care less about LGBT issues, but seeing callous people feathers all ruffled is a sight to behold.Yeah, it’s not like we have put all the statements of Neil Cuckmann (the creator of the game) saying that he has a political agenda in it’s game. Political agenda based on Anita Sarkeesian (crazy third wave feminist).
But somehow you all become fucking blind at those precise moments and still keep asking the same loaded questions trying to convince yourselves that there isn’t anything political about the game.
I wonder who is going to be the next asking the question completely ignoring everything the creator of the game has already publicly stated?
Two decades and still didn’t got an answer about this supposed woke agenda
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Exactly. “AGENDA! AGENDA!”. Everytime.
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Is there any new informations about the final boss of the game?
The leaker John Shorom revealed who is the final boss of the game when the first videos got leaked.
Someone from jeuxvideo.com made a screenshot of John Shorom answering some questions in the comment section of his youtube channel before it got deleted :
http://www.noelshack.com/2020-18-1-1587946019-screen.png
I found some pictures of the character he was talking about :
I can confirm this message is real, I saw it before it was deleted. However I don't know if this information is true and why he didn't leak the fight against the final boss
The leaker John Shorom revealed who is the final boss of the game when the first videos got leaked.
Someone from jeuxvideo.com made a screenshot of John Shorom answering some questions in the comment section of his youtube channel before it got deleted :
http://www.noelshack.com/2020-18-1-1587946019-screen.png
I found some pictures of the character he was talking about :
I can confirm this message is real, I saw it before it was deleted. However I don't know if this information is true and why he didn't leak the fight against the final boss
HotPocket69
Banned
Wow this game is really covering all bases of the socio political climate huh
Extreme brutal violence - check
Homosexual relations - check
Trans actors - check
Trans characters - check
Whites killing blacks - check
Sounds great 11/10
Extreme brutal violence - check
Homosexual relations - check
Trans actors - check
Trans characters - check
Whites killing blacks - check
Sounds great 11/10
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Sketchball
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Hey guys I’m new to this forum but I found this footage on Reddit that I don’t think has been posted here before. I read that it was on easy that’s why the enemies are kind of dumb plus tons of resources and health isn’t effected much by bullets BUT it gives a good glimpse into some of the gun play and graphics and level design. Cheers!
Hayabusabruh
Member
Doesn't glamorous obesity though. They Probably forgot.
Windle Poons
Made a crappy phPBB forum once ... once.
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Doczu
Member
Skill Up released a fantastic review of TLoU 2, where he compared the whole story and character building of the sequel to the character and story building between the original and seauel trilogy of Star Wars. I think it's a fantastic way to walk past the plot NDA of the review while showing the people what they should prepare for.
MiguelItUp
Member
Agreed. It's extremely unfortunate seeing how he was attacked by fans on Twitter and YouTube comments over his personal opinion on a game. One that they haven't even played yet, lmao. It's absolutely ridiculous.
hemo memo
You can't die before your death
Yeah Sony is so strict on what they can and can’t say. Same for Gamespot which they are releasing another review with same score on release day but they’ll elaborate on things they couldn’t talk about. I wish Skill Up so the same.
Explosive Zombie
Banned
Yeah I'm really glad mildly right wing youtubers have The Last Jedi to talk about for the rest of their lives.
Jill Valentine
Member
Bigot sandwiches are two words I never thought I would hear together. Thank you Neil! The Citizen Kane of gaming.
My God.
In the 2 first hours of the game:
-The bigot old white guy ask sorry to the poor lesbian girl that don’t even accept his apologies
- The soft porn sex scene between Ellie and Dina (seriously, I’ve find so much disturbing the look on the Ellie’s face when she’s going to kiss Dina in the bunker )
- the Trans character that (after he saves him) kills Joel without mercy.
Great work ND.
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Allnamestakenlol
Member
Beefcake. BEEFCAKE.
Roman Empire
Member
I heard the character isn't a trans but just a girl who decided to get buff after Joel killed her father (the surgeon in the first game).
But I think it is hard to get that built in just 5 years from the original. The woman is huge from the leaked cutscene of her old self. It's actually disturbing because I think it might be pretty difficult to get your hands on any kind of steroids 25 years after the downfall of society.
That is some huge plot hole in the story (there is a gym in the leaked footage too, but it doesn't make it more believable).
Some reviews confirm Abby is a trans character:
Time:
"And it’s no small thing that Naughty Dog decided to primarily tell this story not with the typical white, straight, male antihero, but a gay woman. Ellie’s bisexual girlfriend Dina and a trans character (whose identity I’m not permitted to spoil) also play major roles. The women in the game don’t have the buxom bodies still popular among many game developers, but realistic and varied builds. This sort of diversity is still radical for a mainstream video game, though the core cast of characters remains primarily white, and the game avoids any acknowledgment of the glaring racial divide in this country, which would not simply dissipate in a post-apocalyptic world.
Still, explorations of sexism, homophobia and transphobia in the game open up new avenues that have largely been missing from mainstream video games. A concerted effort by the #gamergate movement has pushed back against any video game company that dares to expand its perspective in these ways. Even as notable female-led video games have impressed fans and critics (including recent triumphs like Horizon Zero Dawn and Control), little progress has been made. Last year, the website Feminist Frequency found that the number of video games with female protagonists at the E3 Expo (the premiere video game expo) was lower in 2019 than it was in 2015 when the #gamergate movement caught fire.
Digital Spy:
"The Last of Us: Part 2 definitely feels like a passionate, all-consuming companion to the first game. Plus, there's progressive LGBTQ+ representation through Ellie's relationship with Dina, as well as a trans character later in the story, which is too rare in video games.
Roman Empire
Member
Well, now I have my answer
. I was uncertain because we didn't get any confirmation from anyone. It's great some clearance of this.
I just hope this doesn't set a record for maximum representation in games. It is cool to a game be varied, but I think the first game did a better job at that.
Doczu
Member
It's not their fault The Last Jedi is a textbook example how to piss of your fanbase and how not to make sequels by trying to subvert all expectations.
Elpidio Valdés
Member
Wait so not only is Abby trans but she also kills Joel and then we have to play as her for half the game??? That can't be real, there's no freaking way.
How's this game getting 10's if this is what happens? Are people not as attached to Joel as I first thought. The first game was such a masterpiece, what is Naughty Dog thinking... I refuse to believe that's what happens. I guess I'll have my answer soon.
How's this game getting 10's if this is what happens? Are people not as attached to Joel as I first thought. The first game was such a masterpiece, what is Naughty Dog thinking... I refuse to believe that's what happens. I guess I'll have my answer soon.
hemo memo
You can't die before your death
Joshmyersbv
Member
Ok so I just got to the part where Abby 'traps" Joel and Tommy. It makes absolutely no sense, Joel and Tommy are in this room surrounded by people (who are armed btw) that they don't even know and Tommy goes on to tell these people Without a care in the world his name, where their settlement is and where this group can get supplies.
After this Joel introduces himself in the middle of the room surrounded by these people, everyone goes quiet and then Joel asks them if they've heard of him. Abby caps him with a shotgun and people in her group pistol whip Tommy.
I'm trying to understand why Joel and Tommy would just casually introduce themselves to complete strangers who are armed with guns and not be cautius of them at all considering that their camp has been attacked by hunters on and off up to this point. We're talking about a guy (Joel) who Is so overly cautious that he didn't want Ellie introducing themselves to Sam and his brother and before that runs over a guy who is pretending to be hurt. This scene is so out of character for Joel. What makes it worse is she doesn't even know if this is really him because AFTER she shoots him she asks him if his last name is Miller. So was she just killing random guys named Joel up to this point? This just comes off as just really shitty writing.
Then the Golf mini game begans........
After this Joel introduces himself in the middle of the room surrounded by these people, everyone goes quiet and then Joel asks them if they've heard of him. Abby caps him with a shotgun and people in her group pistol whip Tommy.
I'm trying to understand why Joel and Tommy would just casually introduce themselves to complete strangers who are armed with guns and not be cautius of them at all considering that their camp has been attacked by hunters on and off up to this point. We're talking about a guy (Joel) who Is so overly cautious that he didn't want Ellie introducing themselves to Sam and his brother and before that runs over a guy who is pretending to be hurt. This scene is so out of character for Joel. What makes it worse is she doesn't even know if this is really him because AFTER she shoots him she asks him if his last name is Miller. So was she just killing random guys named Joel up to this point? This just comes off as just really shitty writing.
Then the Golf mini game begans........
Explosive Zombie
Banned
I agree, it's the fault of brainlet fans that they want all their expectations met, you'd think they could just pen their own fan-fiction if a movie being exactly what they expected is so important.
Mister Wolf
Member
I believe the trans character is Abby's sidekick.
PanzerAzel
Member
I thought it was already established Abby wasn’t trans?
As for the analogy between using the Star Wars OT to the ST, well all I have to say to that is: I’m glad I love TLoU’s gameplay so much.
As for the analogy between using the Star Wars OT to the ST, well all I have to say to that is: I’m glad I love TLoU’s gameplay so much.
celsowmbr
Banned
- Chinese Virus too?
- and a globalist ruling people like Soros?
Roman Empire
Member
The media in general won't risk talking shit about a gaming from a big developer trying to be inclusive and progressive. It is the same thing with TV shows and movie industry.
I saw the griz gaming video review about the Last of Us 2 and the review embargo is pretty strict on what can be said about who or characters present in the game. Gonna post the link here:
At the 5:35 mark he shows what can be discussed and what cannot. I know it is a non spoiler review but Sony is putting everyone in a tight leash here.
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Humdinger
Gold Member
It should be interesting to see how gamer reviews stack up to critics' reviews on this one. Critics obviously love it, it's sitting at 96 average. I wonder how gamers will rank it.
I personally don't have any interest in the game, not so much because of the progressive/inclusive aspects (which are annoying but I can overlook them), but because the themes don't interest me -- revenge, the effects of violence, etc. I enjoyed the first game but just get a bad feeling about this one.
That's just my taste, though. I've got no problem if others enjoy it. The Sony fanboy in me is happy that they seem to have produced another GOTY and not a trainwreck, as it first seemed.
I personally don't have any interest in the game, not so much because of the progressive/inclusive aspects (which are annoying but I can overlook them), but because the themes don't interest me -- revenge, the effects of violence, etc. I enjoyed the first game but just get a bad feeling about this one.
That's just my taste, though. I've got no problem if others enjoy it. The Sony fanboy in me is happy that they seem to have produced another GOTY and not a trainwreck, as it first seemed.
MayauMiao
Member
Polygon gave Gone Home a 10/10. That should tell you something about game reviewers nowadays.
Elpidio Valdés
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Gaming journalism has really gone to hell the past few years. The only thing I remember about Gone Home is that it gave me nausea and I couldn't finish it lol. Some first person games do that to me though, Layers of Fear was another one.
Either way, TLOU2 is coming out in a couple of days. The forum is going to get interesting and the debate will be fiery. I plan to sit on the sidelines with a bucket of popcorn and enjoy the show.
Gaming journalism has really gone to hell the past few years. The only thing I remember about Gone Home is that it gave me nausea and I couldn't finish it lol. Some first person games do that to me though, Layers of Fear was another one.
Either way, TLOU2 is coming out in a couple of days. The forum is going to get interesting and the debate will be fiery. I plan to sit on the sidelines with a bucket of popcorn and enjoy the show.
Roman Empire
Member
I'm planning on waiting the users to do the review of this game before I give it a go or not. I liked the first game a lot but the gameplay was never anything revolutionary (especially when you can overpower most enemies with the bricks and bottles on the higher difficulties).
What really made the last of us a great game for me was its story and how it was portrayed. Joel wasn't a good man by any means, he did a dirty work and was a broken man in the end. He had lost everything he built in his life after the pandemic happened and Ellie entered his life and as the game kept on going you can see his wounds slowly healing and giving him a new purpose in his life. Their relationship was just that special.
And what have made it the logical conclusion to test their bounding? Ellie getting to know the truth of Joel's actions at the end of the first game and from there they would have a Rift in their relationship, with Ellie consequentially leaving the same settlement she was with Joel, thus leading to a new adventure.
But that is just me and my personal opinion.
Eiknarf
Banned
Pardon my ignorance, but I have a legit question about this.
If game reviewers are just gamers who grew up playing and enjoying the same games as us, why would they love a game that gamers hate? What I’m asking is, why should our user reviews be drastically different than professional critic reviews? They’re just gamers that happen to get a job playing video games and reviewing them, right?
Roman Empire
Member
No really, there a good amount of gamers journalist who really are enthusiasts like us, but the cold truth is that it is their job and a lot of them just do it as a job. A lot of them are directed to cover games that don't really like or want to cover. And there are a lot of them that don't even like videogames but go to the game industry because it looks easier than your average journalist (world news, economics, massive media, celebrity, movies, comics).
Sadly, the industry is filled with tons of fake journos that drag to do their job and don't even like videogames.
digoutyoursoul
Member
Does journalism really have a impactful presence anymore ? To me it feels like another avenue for publishers to sell a product with hardly any questions asked. Free games, free limited edition stuff and so on.
Journalists are supposed to investigate and report the truth right? (How naive of me) I dont see that much. Makes me laugh how a fair number of them call themselves journalists when they are clearly not.
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Doczu
Member
Dude, did someone piss in your cereal and hurt your fee fees? You don't like that some people may not like where sequels go, story wise?
I can spin your argument around and say that brainlet suits from Disney penned a crappy fan-fiction called TLJ, because they were sure their vision of SW is the right one. But it's not for them to decide, but for the consumers.
Even George Martin said in an interview that subverting (readers) expectations is a bad way to pen stories, a jab at the story trainwreck that the last two seasons of GoT were.
And to defend SkillUp - he didn't even call the game crappy, or said it's shit. He gave a reasonable review, with examples, compared it to the previous game, to UC, and other games that did specific gameplayelements better (in his view) and even told multiple times that those who liked the ND game loop will like it, but warned about story decisions the studio made.
Explosive Zombie
Banned
You can claim something totally untrue because Rian Johnson penned it and to this day stands by it and says he'd change nothing?
Did he? I mean... I actually read the Song of Ice and Fire books and subverting expectations is kinda what they do all the time. I mean, the 6th book still not being released 9 years after book 5 really subverted them.
What do I care about you defending SkillUp?
Doczu
Member
I think you do care more than you want to admit as you're going through with a rant and calling him a "mildly right wing youtuber" and calling people not happy with some decisions as brainlets. Get the fuck out with your polarizing shit, this aint Reee.
Explosive Zombie
Banned
What rant?
Humdinger
Gold Member
Just watched the Skill Up review. I feel very similar to how he does about the original The Last of Us -- I liked it for the same reasons (character/story), and was unimpressed for the same reasons (gameplay, world). That leads me to think his opinion about TLoU 2 is probably on target, for me. He repeatedly states it is just his personal reaction, a subjective opinion, and he differentiates it from people who liked things about TLoU he didn't. But I think he backs it his opinion well.
Even though he couldn't go into the story, because of the restrictions placed on reviewers, the things he did say helped me understand why he didn't like it -- e.g., "petty story of revenge," Ellie loses her uniqueness and becomes interchangeable, unremittingly dark/grim tone, 'suffering porn' without any light, characters do laughably unbelievable things, concern with 'deconstructing' the characters of the first game, etc. -- and why I wouldn't like it either.
Even though he couldn't go into the story, because of the restrictions placed on reviewers, the things he did say helped me understand why he didn't like it -- e.g., "petty story of revenge," Ellie loses her uniqueness and becomes interchangeable, unremittingly dark/grim tone, 'suffering porn' without any light, characters do laughably unbelievable things, concern with 'deconstructing' the characters of the first game, etc. -- and why I wouldn't like it either.
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Humdinger
Gold Member
I used to think so, too -- "Hey, reviewers are gamers, too." I've come to understand otherwise, though. There are a few things that make professional reviewers different than your average gamer. Here are the things that come to my mind (I'm a little tired, so maybe I'll miss some things).
1. They are part of an industry group that has the same pressures to conform you find in other industries -- like Hollywood, for instance. There are subtle rewards for having certain opinions and subtle pressures to avoid other opinions. There is a certain conformity of thought and opinion. I don't mean they're all in lockstep -- and in fact, some reviewers seek attention specifically by being "rebels". But the groupthink pressures are there, like with any industry group where your public reputation matters, what you say matters, and social rewards and punishments are doled out by your peers, by the game developers, and by publishers.
2. Some of them are swayed by the large corporations and publishers involved in the space. Reviews matter a lot to the bottom line, and there is a tremendous amount of money involved in these games. As a result, reviewers' opinions get shaped -- unconsciously, for the most part -- by the way they are treated by the companies involved. It's sort of like how physicians' prescription practices are unconsciously swayed by the drug reps, the favors, and so forth.
3. Some game journalists are journalists simply as a fallback position, not because they particularly love gaming. These are the types who use their reviews as a way to express their political opinions. They would rather do that, which they think of as "making a difference," than actually just review the game for what it is. This has become more prominent in the past decade.
4. Reviewers have to play through games they don't like and aren't interested in, just to do their job. I think that affects their experience. Some of them seem burned out on games and are overly critical. Others seem like they just half-assed the game to get through it, so they could spit out a review.
5. Social media makes it so the amount of views matters a lot, so you get the clickbait journalists, too -- more interested in hyperbole and attention than just giving their opinion.
6. Ego gets involved with some of these reviewers, especially the more prominent ones. They see themselves as different from, even superior to, normal gamers. You can see it in the way they talk sometimes.
So for all those reasons and probably others I've forgotten, I think critic reviews and gamer reviews can diverge a lot, sometimes. You'll see that in some games on metacritic, where reviewer scores are typically very high, but user reviews are not. (Granted, that could be because of "review bombing" sometimes, but that's another subject.)
I'm wondering if there will be that kind of spread with TLoU 2. I guess we'll see.
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Lupingosei
Banned
So, it is all about DeCoNsTrUcTiOn and SuBvErTiNg ExPeCtAtIoNs.
Fuck off. I so tired of this shit. This gave us the Last Jedi and the last season of Games of Thrones. Just because you have TDS this does not mean people still can be happy or have fun.
Fuck off. I so tired of this shit. This gave us the Last Jedi and the last season of Games of Thrones. Just because you have TDS this does not mean people still can be happy or have fun.
Elpidio Valdés
Member
I made the mistake of going down the rabbit/spoiler hole and I just cannot believe some of the things I've been reading. I copied and pasted the below from a post on Reddit.
"Side character says something homophobic to Ellie, and she chews him out for it. He apologizes by giving her sandwiches, and she tells him she doesn’t want to eat something he’s touched. Jesse then asks Ellie what she’s holding and she says “some bigot sandwiches”, and tosses them at him"
All of the above sounds like some shitty tumblr fanfiction that was written by someone with pink hair and not a AAA game writer. Besides that scene is literally something taken out of our modern day. Reminds me of Reee and how they never accept an apology. Always trying to cancel people even after they apologize.
Again I don't know if that scene is in the game or not, that was taken from a Reddit post but holy cow if it is!
"Side character says something homophobic to Ellie, and she chews him out for it. He apologizes by giving her sandwiches, and she tells him she doesn’t want to eat something he’s touched. Jesse then asks Ellie what she’s holding and she says “some bigot sandwiches”, and tosses them at him"
All of the above sounds like some shitty tumblr fanfiction that was written by someone with pink hair and not a AAA game writer. Besides that scene is literally something taken out of our modern day. Reminds me of Reee and how they never accept an apology. Always trying to cancel people even after they apologize.
Again I don't know if that scene is in the game or not, that was taken from a Reddit post but holy cow if it is!
Falcs
Banned
If this is true...
There it is. Perfect example of absolute SHIT writing due to identity politics.
EVERYTIME identity politics are inserted into something its always very clearly a forced message they are trying to say, and it makes for fucking shit storytelling.
Explosive Zombie
Banned
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comshoplesce
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So that YT video of 2h46minures is all we got so far?
PanzerAzel
Member
I really, REALLY hope this is true. It will paint ND in the worst light and will do nothing but damage the notion that they are not consumed and driven by an agenda and identity politics.
And if this is indeed true, I’ll make a prediction: white dude.
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Explosive Zombie
Banned
I really, REALLY hope this is true. It will paint ND in the worst light and will do nothing but damage the notion that they are not consumed and driven by an agenda and identity politics.
And if this is indeed true, I’ll make a prediction: white dude.
Why?