Stuart360
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It wont let me link for some reason. Just go to Twitch and search AngryJoeShow
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All The Last of Us 2 leaks/spoilers in here and nowhere else.
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Stuart360
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AngryJoe saying that its a disgrace that this is rated higher than The Witcher 3, Skyrim, and other high profile games. And how the gaming media basically came together in unity for Cuckman as they knew there would be a big backlash against the game.
He refuses to play as Abbey, and poor OJ is having to play lol.
He refuses to play as Abbey, and poor OJ is having to play lol.
Halo is Back
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TheWisp
Member
It's amazing to see the reaction of youtubers and streamers to this. I am yet to see someone that liked that development or how it went down.
Stuart360
Member
They are playing one of the Ellie and Joel flashbacks, that does have a genuine great scene in it. I'll be interested to see his reaction.
small_law
Member
I agree, but my thing with TLoU was why not give the player agency and let them make that choice? Let them decide what to do, either rescue her or walk away.
First, if Naughty Dog was confident of the narrative it created, it also should have been confident that the impact of the story on the player would have produced a genuine response. In other words, it would be a hard choice. Second, and more importantly, giving players agency is a unique feature of the medium of video games, a distinct advantage over film. I get that games want to be "cinematic," but it seemed like Naughty Dog's over-pursuit of that goal meant passing up the opportunity to do something special, something only games do.
I'm sure this has been argued to death. Just my two-cents.
M1chl
Currently Gif and Meme Champion
I get that, but I would do, what was done in the game. So it does not bother me much. Shows the character does it. But I am not too far away crippling loneliness. And it does not make it right on large scale, but does it for me. And no I don't have daughter...
small_law
Member
Totally understand. I'm not here to relitigate my criticism. A coture narrative experience has tremendous value, absolutely.
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Krappadizzle
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I'd bet it has more to do with production and creating essentially 2 COMPLETELY different stories base on a single action than anything else. The world of TLoU is drastically different if there's a vaccine than one that has none and the amount of work that would take to make for a single choice in one game would be substantial.
Strider7
Member
So, I went ahead and killed my pre-order back when the leaks started dropping. I'm not happy at all with what they've done to the characters and story. But can someone at least tell me if there are good, lengthy segments against the infected? I've been reading that there is an awful lot of walking/talking and not much in the way of fungus zombies.
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JORMBO
Darkness no more
In my opinion the game has way too much walking/talking and just walking around looting empty buildings. The combat sequences are really good with huge levels, but it feels like there are too few of those levels in comparison to all the walking around and talking. I wouldn't mind it so much if the story wasn't bad and the characters weren't boring.
MayauMiao
Member
Watching the the Lets Plays the game looks to be more killing of humans than infected. Walking/talking is also more than gameplay.
I guess that's why ND have enemies call each other by names because there are too few of the gameplay fights.
Piku_Ringo
Banned
Don't hold your breath
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SLoWMoTIoN
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He screams alot for 30 minutes.
Mypmarlo
Banned
I finished it 2 hours ago and my impression went from "it was okish overall but WTF is this ending" to good old fashion hate
Story falls apart really quickly when u start thinking bout it...
And for all the LGBT hype there was the chemistry between Elly and the Small Nose... Let's just say... Fucking Joel n Ellie in the space museum had more legit sexual vibes between em
Story falls apart really quickly when u start thinking bout it...
And for all the LGBT hype there was the chemistry between Elly and the Small Nose... Let's just say... Fucking Joel n Ellie in the space museum had more legit sexual vibes between em
Madflavor
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It's pretty much the only universally praised part of the story. It's almost as if a sequel with Joel and Ellie together was all people wanted.
It's pretty much the only universally praised part of the story. It's almost as if a sequel with Joel and Ellie together was all people wanted.
ThatOneGrunt
Member
I was reading comments in a r/gamingcirclejerk thread and they were downplaying the negative reviews and whatnot. But something I hadn't seen before were people talking about how Joel was a criminal, murderer, and deserved to die. And everyone being angry about his death were misguided and don't understand the Last of Us.
It gave me serious flashbacks to when The Last Jedi came out and everyone seemed to be saying that my idea of Luke being a hero was misguided. And how anyone that didn't like the movie, hated it because it featured strong female characters. That thought had never ever crossed my mind.
Or it's like Ghostbusters 2016 came out with the all girl cast. I thought it was genuinely unfunny and poorly paced, but my own mother in law accused me for not liking it because it had girls. I freaking love girls. I mean, I married her daughter. Why would that be the reason?
I feel like this has become a trick by large media entities. If something isn't beloved, then you imply sexist incels don't like it because of shallow reasons. Then all the criticism becomes mired in a cloud of bigotry and intolerance and it steals the attention. You are distracted from the pure and simple properties of the thing just sucking.
It gave me serious flashbacks to when The Last Jedi came out and everyone seemed to be saying that my idea of Luke being a hero was misguided. And how anyone that didn't like the movie, hated it because it featured strong female characters. That thought had never ever crossed my mind.
Or it's like Ghostbusters 2016 came out with the all girl cast. I thought it was genuinely unfunny and poorly paced, but my own mother in law accused me for not liking it because it had girls. I freaking love girls. I mean, I married her daughter. Why would that be the reason?
I feel like this has become a trick by large media entities. If something isn't beloved, then you imply sexist incels don't like it because of shallow reasons. Then all the criticism becomes mired in a cloud of bigotry and intolerance and it steals the attention. You are distracted from the pure and simple properties of the thing just sucking.
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Silent Duck
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I don't know why, but Joel introducing himself to Abby's crew reminded me of this scene from The Simpsons.
captainraincoat
Banned
They never explained why Abbie got so Jacked from a young girl to what she was in the game
its a real missed opportunity as you could of seen her go from young girl into Sarah Conner........the game never really explores her family or what she lost very well so you never sympathize with her at all
instead your just forced to play as someone who killed off one of the most liked characters in a game
its a real missed opportunity as you could of seen her go from young girl into Sarah Conner........the game never really explores her family or what she lost very well so you never sympathize with her at all
instead your just forced to play as someone who killed off one of the most liked characters in a game
PrCat88
Member
I'm sure Sony will alter this game now because of those complaints.
captainraincoat
Banned
lol
MayauMiao
Member
Maybe they didn't want us to see Abby taking steroids or testosterone.
MiguelItUp
Member
The idea of being forced to play a character like Abby when you really just want to keep playing as Ellie sounds annoying and frustrating. Not only because of what she did to Joel, but because she just isn't an interesting character IMO.
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lastmessiah
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Not only is there nothing interesting about her, but she is actively unpleasant and nonsensical. Her name should be Gary Sue.
What the fuck was even supposed to be conveyed in those 10 hours you play as her? None of it made any sense.
captainraincoat
Banned
its a real missed opportunity and i cant see how people thought it would be a great idea to force people to play as this character when you are not going to properly explain her.
if you really wanted to craft a great story of revenge and transformation the entire part 2 should of been from her angle leading up to the events with Joel killing her dad and the aftermath
you could of explored the Scars and WLF relationships in real detail and could of really built abbie up as someone who lost everything and overcome obstacles to become the tank she was
the best part about this approach is that it could of been milked for a part 3 or standalone game
VlaudTheImpaler
tl;dr
MiguelItUp
Member
Makes no sense to me whatsoever. Joel dying sucks, yeah, of course. But primarily because of how his death was handled. They could've made it a lot better than that, the whole lead up to it just felt so out of place for him and Tommy. It felt so incredibly fucking careless for them, and out of character. It's liked they asked no questions whatsoever and just rolled with it.
I wholeheartedly agree. I fucking LOVE revenge stories, and I've loved a TON of content where a character I love dies. But if it's done well, then so be it. But all of this was just really strange. The pacing, the direction, the writing, etc. I really don't understand.
Coconutt
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Shamelessly stolen from the tlou2 sub on reddit
I saw that scene with Tommy, does he survive that?! I assumed he died.
losslessFlac
Member
So for anyone who hated FF7 Re's ending, was Last of Us 2 worse or better?
MiguelItUp
Member
I loved the original FF7 and I enjoyed FF7:R as a whole. Some very strange and bizarre story choices, sure, but it was enjoyable nonetheless. I was much more emotionally invested in TLOU, so seeing how TLOU2 panned out, and its ending. I'm definitely left feeling more disappointment
Iced Arcade
Member
Weird enough I thought I'd hate playing as Abby after killing Joel BUT when I got to the part I kinda understood from her perspective.
Even though he saved her and her big arms which seems like it should have been a redemption situation.
Even though he saved her and her big arms which seems like it should have been a redemption situation.
Saber
Member
Isn't obvious? Because that Neil wants(aka forces) you to like and symphatize with Abby.
Look at all the LoU fanbase. Ellie and Joel are the protagonists, people love them. No one would gives a fuck about a random_npc that wants to kill Joel because her random_dad_npc died.
Take a look at the LoU ads. It has Ellie and it has Joel. Do you think they would sell this game if they only showed Abby videos? Do you think this would sell if people knew beforehand Joel was killed? Most people assumed Ellie girlfriend was the one dead and that Joel finds and helps Ellie in her quest for vengeance. Yeah, that video where Joel joins Ellie was a lie, because they can't sell this game without Ellie and Joel.
He didn't wanted to deliver a sequel. He want to plant his ideas in this game, simple as that. No wonder when the game leaked he was more worried about representation than his own work being revealed.
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I think a more appropriate comparison would be ME3's ending. FF7R blew its load too early and fucked with the story too much but I don't think anyone could accuse it of being anything less than completely spectacular. TLOU2's ending is as flaccid and useless as Abby's dick.
MayauMiao
Member
Druckmann wanted Abby to be like Rey Palpatine, a Mary Sue that you must like her because she is a woman stronk.
MiguelItUp
Member
I actually like the way that sounds more than the final product.
I think it's so amusing that the game feels like they tried so hard to avoid tropes, but in the end it feels like it just gave into them ten fold.
Dr Bass
Member
I meant "you" as in "the player." Part of the plot from TLOU 1 (if my memory serves!) was that the chance to get a cure from Ellie was far far lower than what the fireflies were telling you. They were basically a lying militant group, or something like that. Of course you say you would do it for loved ones. Of course. That's understandable. My point was simply that the plot from part 2 seems to completely toss out the actual details from part 1 to try and make its point. Which isn't how good storytelling works, of course.
Falcs
Banned
Lol. I could watch that stupid kid get clobbered all day.
I like to think the guy who animated that secretly hated all the SJW bullshit but couldn't speak his mind so this was his way of dealing with it.
A running punch like that in real life would have probably killed that little shit.
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Sander Cohen
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I don’t think review industry collectively ever took a hit this big in terms of their credibility, now and for the future. I can tell you, trust in IGN is currently in tatters, they were already regularly mocked but this is major, major turning point. At least Gamespot gave it 8 and somewhat saved their faces.
This is clearly very corrupt industry and I’m not talking about raw corruption “i’ll give you money for good reviews “ but much deeper, under the table stuff. Connections, deals, gifts, joint ventures, who the fuck knows but it’s indisputable.
At least they can’t just blame bigots anymore, dislike and outrage is spread far and wide, game journalists have finally been caught in the act and there’s no escape. Reminds me of liberal news media collective mind with very few dissenters.
This is clearly very corrupt industry and I’m not talking about raw corruption “i’ll give you money for good reviews “ but much deeper, under the table stuff. Connections, deals, gifts, joint ventures, who the fuck knows but it’s indisputable.
At least they can’t just blame bigots anymore, dislike and outrage is spread far and wide, game journalists have finally been caught in the act and there’s no escape. Reminds me of liberal news media collective mind with very few dissenters.
Strategize
Member
I agree with the reviews.
