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[DF] PlayStation 5 vs PS5 Digital Edition: A Cheaper Price For a Discless Machine?
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Gavin Stevens
Formerly 'o'dium'
I oddly think that the diskless PS5 will be the... More expensive one.
I think it will come with a 1640gb ssd size instead, which will pump the cost up a fair whack, compared to the normal 820gb SSD the PS5 has.
I think it will come with a 1640gb ssd size instead, which will pump the cost up a fair whack, compared to the normal 820gb SSD the PS5 has.
shaddam
Member
Its sounds so minimal price difference. I think It will be 100 minimum
M1chl
Currently Gif and Meme Champion
I don't think that would made for the losses, because I cannot see people going for disk version that much, because everything is streamed, everything is downloadable, etc. And if this is a price difference, it's a massive one.
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Andodalf
Banned
they would need like 25 game sales in digital vs physical to break even. 100$ is the most I can see, and it’s a bit of stretch
Sony
Nintendo
I don't think the PS5 Digital's price difference from the PS5 Lump can be estimated through BOM Math. I think strategy will play a bigger role than the actual cost difference in parts. I think Sony will eat a loss on the PS5 Digital in order to conpensate with digital sales, which in general are more expensive than physical copies.
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JLB
Banned
200+ dollars only for a disc unit? That sounds crazy.
I bet that both consoles will be almost at same price.
Nikana
Go Go Neo Rangers!
Pretty sure it was confirmed its identical except the Disc Drive.
Gavin Stevens
Formerly 'o'dium'
Oh was it?
I'm a bit unsure what to think about the SSD size. 820, plus what the OS reserves, is... A kick in the balls.
Fake
Member
Do you even watch the video?
MoreJRPG
Suffers from extreme PDS
Average PS4 owner owns roughly 10 games. If you think Sony is going to sell a digital version for $200 less because it’s missing a $20 piece of equipment and will make it up via digital sales I have a bridge to sell you.
Why ? Do they know something else that noone knows? No. So let it be 50 still good enough.
Rikkori
Member
Yeah, think the same. About $100 difference.
Evilms
Banned
Exactly, and it's from CNET interview with Jim Ryan.
Sony's PS5 design is 'bold, daring and future facing," PlayStation CEO says
The PlayStation head, in an interview with CNET, discusses the new PS5 design, launch games like Spider-Man, and pre-orders.
www.cnet.com
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turtlepowa
Banned
Depends on how many people resell their discs. Sony knows how many people played game A and how many bought it. If there is usually a huge discrepancy the number is not even close to 25.
Musky_Cheese
Banned
Still going $399-$499 prediction
JohnnyFootball
GerAlt-Right. Ciriously.
No way there is going to be a $200 price difference. C'mon man
Reficul
Member
Personally I'm all in on the digital edition. Haven't bought a single physical game since the PS3 era.
I have never had the urge or need to sell my games (even though I understand that other do it).
I hope the price difference will be significant ($50-$100) but it doesn't really bother me too much.
Looking forward to getting the new gen going.
I have never had the urge or need to sell my games (even though I understand that other do it).
I hope the price difference will be significant ($50-$100) but it doesn't really bother me too much.
Looking forward to getting the new gen going.
TLZ
Banned
I have a feeling there might be more SKUs. Both disc and discless versions will have 825gb and 1650gb versions. Let's just call them 1 and 2tb versions for now.
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Deleted member 775630
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In the video they claim the drive costs $20 and extra profit on digital game is $8. So they would need to sell at least 10 games (at full price) for each user... That's a lot.
T-Cake
Member
But then they could wazz up the price of PSN games to $100!
Skyr
Member
Had no chance to watch the video yet, but while those numbers may be correct you would have to add two factors into that calculation.
- second hand game market which results in 0 profits.
- long term conditioning of the customer base to go fully digital.
Which is of course is pretty hard to put a number on.
DeepEnigma
Gold Member
And they don't take into account weight for shipping, licensing per unit, etc..
The savings a good bit more than "$20."
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Fake
Member
20$
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Deleted member 775630
Unconfirmed Member
How do you know this? I would imagine that this is part of the $20
DeepEnigma
Gold Member
yurinka
Member
Sure, a 500 dollars difference. They will give you the discless version for free. xDD
Now seriously: by selling the normal version at $500 they are already losing money, that later they may compensate with Plus, Now, and selling ~10 games on average per console at the end of the generation. $50 cut could be possible by reducing $15-20 by removing disk drive related stuff, considering that out of these ~10 games sold per console 4 or 5 would be full priced AAA games purchased digitally instead of in retail, which I think it's too generous because many games already are bought discounted, digitally or are cheap indies.
Even without considering the discless SKU the % of games that are being sold digitally increases year after year, so it's going to be hard for them even to justify that $50 price cut. I think it's going to be very difficult to see them cutting it beyond $50, and if they do it, won't be more than $100. I think the maximum possible difference, even if they make an extra effort on top of the one they already will do with the normal SKU, is $100. Something like $399 and $499 or $449 and $549. But again, my bet is $449 and $499, and my second bet woud be $499 and $549.
Companies aren't charities, they need to justify costs and target profits even if it's a long term with decent estimations. PS4, like the consoles who sold the best ratio of games per console, sold an average of around between 10 and 11 games per console.
Very likely a big portion of these are cheap indie games, discounted big games and digital big games. We know that year over year the % of games sold that are digital is growing so very likely will continue growing. As of now it's around half of the console games sold so at the end of the generation will be already pretty big even without considering the discless SKU.
A $50 cut would assume that on top of the $20 saved because of the disc drive and everything else related, in games 4 AAA fully priced retail games sold for these console owners should be replaced by 4 AAA fully priced digital sales. Which isn't too realistic, seems that it would be more likely to consider 2 or maybe 3. But well, let's say that 4th game could be compensated by a slightly increase on Plus and Now subs for the digital only SKU, if that is the case.
So I think a $50 price cut is already a difficult and risky long term bet, and $100 would be too much. Specially considering the uncertainity caused by the financial crisis, jobs losts, companies shut down and death toll caused globally by pandemic.
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vdopey
Member
I keep hearing these guys are not biased, but this is the 2nd video he is harping on about price of the console, has microsoft revealed the price of the xsx ? No? Why is that not a big deal and sony not revealing the price yet a big deal?
why has microsoft not revealed lockhart ? Why is that "very obviously" ?
Sony creates the UHD BD drive, so they build it at cost.
Somewhat gigantic...
smaller less capable processor... (completely forgetting to mention that its running at much higher frequencies for the gpu and that the cpus are basically awash and not less capable)
size is problematic, for ikea kallax, yet he forgets to mention that the width of the xsx is also problematic, especially in the horizontal config.
More likely to topple over, more likely to not balance horizontally, possible extra cost for stand -- all negatives,
declined to show the rear again a negative spin.
Hope we can turn off the blue light... the ps4 also had a blue light running across, no issue there, but its an issue here apparently, again a negative.
hardware design looks contentious, again negative.
Then the spiel about pricing, etc etc, throwing negative spin at digital possible reduction costs.
If you hear everything he says, its all negative spin.
Its the wording and the phrasing that all shows this, he could have quite obviously said the PS5 has taken a narrow and fast approach, we cant be sure about the thermal impact this will have.. That would be a neutral way of saying it.
Nothing he says is neutral it all wreaks of bias against the platform, its full of negative phrases with a but thrown in to try and make it sound less fanboyish. I'm sorry its just all so obvious.
why has microsoft not revealed lockhart ? Why is that "very obviously" ?
Sony creates the UHD BD drive, so they build it at cost.
Somewhat gigantic...
smaller less capable processor... (completely forgetting to mention that its running at much higher frequencies for the gpu and that the cpus are basically awash and not less capable)
size is problematic, for ikea kallax, yet he forgets to mention that the width of the xsx is also problematic, especially in the horizontal config.
More likely to topple over, more likely to not balance horizontally, possible extra cost for stand -- all negatives,
declined to show the rear again a negative spin.
Hope we can turn off the blue light... the ps4 also had a blue light running across, no issue there, but its an issue here apparently, again a negative.
hardware design looks contentious, again negative.
Then the spiel about pricing, etc etc, throwing negative spin at digital possible reduction costs.
If you hear everything he says, its all negative spin.
Its the wording and the phrasing that all shows this, he could have quite obviously said the PS5 has taken a narrow and fast approach, we cant be sure about the thermal impact this will have.. That would be a neutral way of saying it.
Nothing he says is neutral it all wreaks of bias against the platform, its full of negative phrases with a but thrown in to try and make it sound less fanboyish. I'm sorry its just all so obvious.
sdrawkcabunltd
Banned
No... just no!
geordiemp
Member
The 8$ number assumes a 3rd party sale difference retail to PS store.
If its a sony first party sale, numbers are different.
No, Most people will back up on extrenal HDD. Even extra TB is nothing, hell COD MW is 250 GB on a HD drive.
SSD will be for your most played games, 3-5 or so, on both systems. And anyone thinking XSX has allot more SSD space, wait and see, XSX may also reserve for fast resume which Ps5 does not need.
We dont even know where ps5 OS will reside yet/
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MastaKiiLA
Member
Not going to watch the video, as watching someone else speculation is pointless. I just hope that the DE is cheaper, because otherwise there's no point in getting it. $50 difference wouldn't be enough, IMO. I can't remember seeing an $x49 price tag for a new system before, and I feel like that price point would just push people to make the extra investment for the disc version. Economies of scale have to work better the fewer components you have, so I have to imagine DE would be the preferred SKU for Sony to sell. So I'm hoping for a $100 difference. I plan on getting the DE regardless, but pricing it too close to the disc version would be a mistake IMO.
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FranXico
Member
Sshhh... don't question the voice of authority.
Neo Blaster
Member
Oh, there's no way it can be worse than Xbox SAD Edition.
Neo Blaster
Member
TheCrimsnFuckr
Member
My guess is going to be that there will be a $50 price difference, so the regular PS5 will be $499 and PS5 DE will be $449. Or $549/$499
geordiemp
Member
Yep it was a crap video with no technical hardware knowledge or thought, other than it looks big, it was embarrassing for people who claim they are technical, it was laughable and very biased.
Neo Blaster
Member
Jim Ryan said they are going for value instead of price this time, but he also said they wanted a fast migration. What better incentive than having a $100 less entry point? Those who want more value(keep disc collections, 4k Blu-ray movies) will go for the regular one, 399/499 makes a lot of sense.
JLB
Banned
it looks better than the standard, and theres plenty of digital only users.
Tarin02543
Member
825 gb was chosen for performance reasons so no.
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