MastaKiiLA
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Hopefully the headphones are $150, as speculated. I'd like to get a pair. The PS4 one used to make my ears sweat though.
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PS5 Variable Frequency is Very Versatile, Tempest Will be a Game Changer – Dev
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Umbral
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I’m just in here for the positivity. I’ll be in the corner of the pool just soaking it in. 2020 has been a bitch.
I’m not super techy, but if I understand the variable stuff right what they did is they designed for thermal limits first so that the clock speed could always remain at or near max. Is that right?
I’m not super techy, but if I understand the variable stuff right what they did is they designed for thermal limits first so that the clock speed could always remain at or near max. Is that right?
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nowhat
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Basically, and do correct me if I'm wrong, the system is designed to have a constant power draw, no matter how that power is split between the CPU and GPU. Thus the cooling solution can be built around that power draw, which (in theory) means the fans (or whatever cooling solution is used) will also run at a constant rate, possibly making the system quieter (or at least consistently loud, we'll see how it turns out).
JerryinSoCal
Member
I have the platinum headset already and it sounds great but I'm not the type of guy that likes wearing big headphones for very long, they start to get uncomfortable to me. I wonder how much better then new set is going to be?
kuncol02
Banned
Only thing it allows it to use weaker cooling solution because you can design quiet cooling system for both components using full power too (it will be much bigger and more expensive).
There are some edge cases where it allow to push some more power into one component with cost of other one power, but IMO that situations in stationary device are way to far into inefficient part of powercurve to be even considered (like heavy overclock).
Rikkori
Member
I can't find a home theatre system with the receiver supporting both 4K and HDR in my country. And if I find such a receiver, it comes with no speakers, and I have no idea what speakers to buy which won't get fried by the receiver.
The best I found was this, but it doesn't support HDR (at least, doesn't say if it does).
Sony BDV-N9200WB | Petropoulos | soundimage.gr
www.soundimage.gr
It's very hard to go wrong with 4 ohms speakers. There's plenty of resources around and plenty of forums where you can just ask, I'm sure in Greek also.
Even from that site, here's a fast 5.1 setup I put together:
Note: I'm not necessarily recommending those choices and at those prices, those are just for an example. Tho I did use both that AVR & speakers and they are quite good, though for the AVR that one would limit you to just 5.1 with no upgrade path, but that's okay in general because AVRs get more expensive quickly and if you don't know you want to add more in the future, it's not worth worrying about. Downside also - no HDMI 2.1, but there's ways around that possibly.
Nickolaidas
Member
This is the problem. The particular receiver does not support hdr.It's very hard to go wrong with 4 ohms speakers. There's plenty of resources around and plenty of forums where you can just ask, I'm sure in Greek also.
Even from that site, here's a fast 5.1 setup I put together:
Note: I'm not necessarily recommending those choices and at those prices, those are just for an example. Tho I did use both that AVR & speakers and they are quite good, though for the AVR that one would limit you to just 5.1 with no upgrade path, but that's okay in general because AVRs get more expensive quickly and if you don't know you want to add more in the future, it's not worth worrying about. Downside also - no HDMI 2.1, but there's ways around that possibly.
Theoretically, I could connect a ps4 with an optical cable, but I will unable to connect it to a series x with hdmi and also have hdr.
The soundbar I found comes with rear speakers and a subwoofer, and supports both 4k and hdr.
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Amaranty
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I had the Sony Gold headset and it also became a bit uncomfortable after an hour or so. I bought HyperX Cloud headset. It's a wired headset, you can plug it into the controller or into console through USB (the cable is quite long).
It's the most comfortable headset I have ever used. Never gets uncomfortable. They also come with foam padding, which is useful in summer time, when it's hot.
MasterCornholio
Member
How's the sound quality? Is it crisp and clear? Does it have some nice base to it?
Amaranty
Member
It's difficult to tell what the sound quality is like compared to my Gold hesdset, since I've been using them for 2-3 years now. If you connect it through USB then the sound quality is a bit better than connecting it through the controller, like there's more bass/depth to the sound, but I still connect it through the controller since the console is some distance away from me.
It sounds good enough for me. Audio is clear and not muddy. I think it was king in price/quality when it first came out. I think they now sell Hyperx Cloud 2. It's worth reading reviews before making a purchase.
MasterCornholio
Member
Isn't the tempest engine designed to work with a wide variety do devices? So everything from a headset to a complex surround sound system should benefit from it. You don't need Dolby Atmos to get good sound quality from my understanding of the situation.
Kerotan
Member
I think most will use headphones.
Polygonal_Sprite
Gold Member
He’s saying he’s getting 4/6 ms per frame on PS5 compared to 10 ms on an old i7?
Jtibh
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What is it with these alt accounts.Very versatile.. it can take a 9.2 tf GPU and make is 10.3!!!!
Joined july 2017 and has 230 posts.
Soo obvious.
These accounts should be perma banned not 2 weeks banned
Jtibh
Banned
alabtrosMyster
Member
I'm selling my old receiver + speakers and subwoofer to get a sound bar, the whole thing is way too big, and when I get to enjoy audio this is because the family is asleep... Which means I have to use headphones anway.
I will probably regret this move later on
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alabtrosMyster
Member
The fun thing is that while I love the sound quality of TLoU 2, I seem to remember that the first one had better 3d audio placement.
The conspirationist in me think that this game will be used to demonstrate the tempest audio engine of the ps5 and that if they already have had a good 3d audio engine that would have made the demo less impressive.
Or maybe this is all the fault of interdimentional aliens!
Rikkori
Member
Are you talking about the Sony or the Denon?
Nickolaidas
Member
The Denon.
At any rate, my room is small so the soundbar will probably be more effective. Plus, it comes with a woofer and rear speakers, so I'll definitely get the surround feel.
To get an idea, my speakers are currently to each side of my 42" TV. The Soundbar is about the same length so technically its left/right side is the same distance with my current left/right speakers.
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Rikkori
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It absolutely does, and I've personally tested it.
Denon AV Receivers | Denon™
Our collection of receivers from Denon are engineered with extraordinary care and percision. Maximize your home audio experience with Denon.
www.denon.com
Listen, if a soundbar fits your needs better then go for it. Just know how much you are giving up for that form factor.
Bryank75
Banned
I thought that was pretty clear to everyone...It made you appreciate all the screaming and gurgling blood etc. ?
You are a sadist.
CrysisFreak
Banned
I just want to feel adaptive triggers while playing Ratchet and Clank in pristine native 4K. Is that too much to ask? Sony announce the release date NOW!
CrysisFreak
Banned
Xbox Series X doesn't deliver its full potential even 1% of the time because without variable frequency they are leaving performance on the table and that's a fact.
But it was their rational choice. To have variable frequency they'd need die space for that and they didn't want to make that concession.
pls educat3 urself
ZehDon
Member
Not quite. At launch it'll work for headphones and it'll work within a "sweet spot" for TV Speakers, with the hopes to one day bring its ambisonics to surround sound setups. The PS5 can turn off its Tempest Engine 3D Audio, so users can fall back to the more traditional surround sound setups that we're used to until Sony have it functioning. We'll still benefit from the higher number of audio sources that the engine allows for, but it won't illicit the effect that using headphones with the 3D Audio enabled will.
Werewolfgrandma
Banned
All this Tempest audio is just hrtf which is very person specific. It just won't work on some people in certain set ups. Some might hear it great from tv speakers while others it will sound bad. Best bet is get some good non gaming headphones and a decent amp and worst case you will have great audio. Best case you get great positioning as well.
skneogaf
Member
If an av receiver doesn't support whatever Sony is doing how will I get my 7.2.4 speakers to work correctly?
It really does just come across like it's a fake 3d sound which we're all aware of.
I hope Sony can do something amazing I really do as dolby atmos and dts x are excellent so if they can somehow give me the same thing using my setup then I'll be in heaven playing god of war 2.
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MasterCornholio
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Developers haven't said anything about it being shitty. They appear to be excited for it. Im pretty sure it isn't just crappy 3D audio because that wouldn't be exciting to anyone.
skneogaf
Member
How can it be anything else?
3d audio with 2 speakers or headphones is surely just a version of what we already have heard.
I listened to the Sony 3d audio demo with headphones that someone on here or the other gaming forum that bans everyone who doesn't think a particular way.
It sounded very good but no better than dts x headphones thst have been trying on my driving simulator.
I'd love to be wrong 2 speakers for multiple directions and objects equals fake 3d sound.
I think this was it
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MasterCornholio
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From Cernys presentation it seems like it's alot more than just some crappy 3D audio. I mean they modified an entire CU just for the tempest engine so that alone proves that it isn't just some crappy software implementation.
PlayStation 5: Mark Cerny explains Tempest Engine for 3D audio
PlayStation 5 lead system architect Mark Cerny revealed more details on the Tempest Engine for making sound appear to come from multiple directions.
venturebeat.com
Also Sony as a hardware company has plenty of experience with sound. So I don't understand why the PS5s sound quality is terrible if it doesn't use Dolby Atmos.
Edit:
Sony just acquired the gaming industry’s biggest audio toolset
Creators of “Wwise” will remain “independent” after acquisition closes, SIE insists.
arstechnica.com
Also I remember that someone told me that Sony bought Wwise. If anything the combination of the tempest engine and technology from Wwise is an indication that sound won't be terrible on the PS5 with or without Dolby Atmos.
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nowhat
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I'm willing to bet each and every gamer, hell, every thing in the universe, is running on atoms.
Whitecrow
Banned
Of course there's advantage.
The fact that you can overclock the GPU if the CPU doesnt need the power is an advantage.
There are no consumer GPUs clocking at >=2GHz, but the PS5 can thanks to it's tech.
But if what you wanna say is that PS5 lacks some horsepower, then we can agree.
cireza
Member
Paying more to offer less. Rational choice indeed.
skneogaf
Member
I absolutely don't believe that the ps5 gpu will run at full speed for more than seconds or maybe a minute as of when is needed.
I believe the frequency will ramp up for high demand things like explosions or something else but why can the ps5 gpu go to frequencies that no gpu has done in home computing.
Its a great idea and will definitely smooth out the drops in performance games have in high demanding scenes but I still see the ps5 as less their highest frequency teraflop number as I can't imagine it not struggling to ramp up the frequency if a player is purposefully trying to stress the machine with some game thing like heavy rain, full car count smashing in the other cars to cause bits flying off kind of stress test in some garbage developed game like assetto corsa competizione on console.
We shall see and hopefully the ps5 will change how gpus and cpus are ran from now on.
I believe the frequency will ramp up for high demand things like explosions or something else but why can the ps5 gpu go to frequencies that no gpu has done in home computing.
Its a great idea and will definitely smooth out the drops in performance games have in high demanding scenes but I still see the ps5 as less their highest frequency teraflop number as I can't imagine it not struggling to ramp up the frequency if a player is purposefully trying to stress the machine with some game thing like heavy rain, full car count smashing in the other cars to cause bits flying off kind of stress test in some garbage developed game like assetto corsa competizione on console.
We shall see and hopefully the ps5 will change how gpus and cpus are ran from now on.
MastaKiiLA
Member
It really depends on hos graphics or computationally expensive any particular area in a game is. But since the switch can happen multiple times in a single frame, I agree with you that there might not be a lot of scenarios where the hardware needs to run at full clock for extended periods of time. This is based on the idea that microprocessors spend a lot of time waiting for data, and even when they are processing, don't necessarily have a full plate to eat.
I should add that I have no idea how efficient game engines have become in the last 5 years. Maybe coders have gotten good enough to basically stress test hardware for long periods of gameplay.
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FranXico
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That concession does have advantages though.
CrysisFreak
Banned
Indeed which is why I said it's a rational choice.
Dave_at_Home
Member
Both companies come to the same conclusion, but different ways of getting there. Why is that? Microsoft's Series X GPU is literally a server grade GPU. Series X is simply apart of a larger ecosystem that Microsoft wants you to be apart of. If it's not the Series X, it could be Lockheart, if not that, than PC or tablet. On the other hand, we have Sony. Why did they build their system with features like variable frequency (AMD SmartShift), along with an insane I/O and SSD? I could be completely wrong, but it feels obvious that the PS5 is designed around their next generation PSVR. Other things like the "Tempest" engine, haptic feedback and adaptive triggers in DualSense, hell, even the look of the PS5 takes inspiration from the PSVR headset. I hope I'm right here cause if Sony makes a much bigger push for VR this time around I'm in. Sony could position themselves as the definitive VR company.