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[Metroiddarks]

seriously where these people coming from? does greenberg factory exist? for all i've seen on this forum those who proclaim themselfs developer/engineer have failed miserably.

I triggered with my last comment the thing is I never had any discussion with him where he was able
to use the terminology is used for the devs in a good way, he usually talk from fan perspective so is just curious.

Usually when I say I prefer someone with a tech background talk about this kind of stuff I never say only engineers
I live enough to meet people better than me in some aspects without any degree and the opposite, guys with a higher
degree but worse than me in other aspects.

Obviously be a dev doesn't mean you have to know something of make a game and even then doesn't mean you know
a something of the devkits of PS5 or XSX.

But as we are talking about the optimization of a big piece of software is enough with having worked on a similar scale
project to know its complexity, it cannot be reduced to "can be done, if you have 2 teams".

 

[Sinthor]

What? Jesus christ is this a parody account? 25 TF by flipping a switch?

Good grief, it had BETTER be a parody account. Just absolutely ridiculous. So the XSX somehow has 25TF of power now? Odd that Microsoft, known for trumpeting ANY advantage or even just something they can MARKET as an advantage (they do this very well) hasn't mentioned that at all. You would think that would be a HUGE selling point. Hell, I'D be planning on getting an XSX at launch for sure if it was THAT much more powerful?

I think we're just seeing people mentally collapse as they realize the reality is that both these machines are much closer in raw power (numbers) than this current generation was and realizing that since they couldn't really see the difference THIS generation without Digital Foundry comparisons, that they'll have no hope in HELL of seeing such differences this time around, most likely. Or worse, that the most visible difference this time around may in fact turn out to be the SSD's and I/O systems of the boxes.

Really if you think about it and what you see in the world today, the mental breakdown is actually likely.

 

[FeiRR]

So letting you choose Male or female main character is the best of what assassin's creed games have done in years. A compliment that's a lead lifejacket.

It isn't anything new in AC.

 

[thurnishaleygw]

Y'all just had to say "Candyman" 3 times smh

 

[SlimySnake]

PCs have the latest technology and can do things that the consoles can't. It's not me being a PC elitist. It's more of me being a tech fanboy. And that should be OK. That's how we move forward.

I’m pretty sure unique “bottleneck-eliminating” SSD+I/O engineering hardware (as an example) will drive PC’s forward as well. No “tech fanboy”should or could not deny this unless I’m in error .

this is a great point because the SSD+I/O is definitely above the PC's latest and greatest. I swear I think Cerny's been reading era and gaf this whole time, saw vfx veteran post PC elitist bullshit for years, and designed the PS5 just to prove VFX Veteran wrong. Tflops can always be topped, but this SSD+I/O stuff? Beat that VFX veteran.

 

[yewles1]

Sony is dead
/s

Isn't this the same guy that mistook an additional Graphics Command Processor in the X1 used for faster OS multitasking for a discrete secondary GPU and ran with that misinformation for years?

 

[onQ123]

Sony is dead
/s

Is it me or does this read like it was typed by Trump?

 

[kensama]

Isn't this the same guy that mistook an additional Graphics Command Processor in the X1 used for faster OS multitasking for a discrete secondary GPU and ran with that misinformation for years?

That's him

Plus you forgot the 3D stacked RAM for Xbox one.


He is a fucking insane man in his head but the weirdest is that's some people continue to believe him.

And many suspect Blue negroho to be also MisterXmedia (or maybe his son). They are simply mentally disordered.

 

[IllegalLemon]

Sony is dead
/s

I want to know what spices this guy’s smoking, Either way, it must feel good. We’re talking about grownups, possibly in their late 20s to early 30s and maybe even a lot older than that having so much affection to their plastic box that no other should exist in the world. He embarrassed himself with the gpu in the power brick fallacy, looks like he hasn’t learned anything from that ordeal, still a moron spreading misinformation as that’s the only thing in his life he can do best, spew bs and make others laugh at him. Him and his little boy band with blueisviolet and TimDog, can’t get any worse from that, you simply can’t make that shit up.

 

[Metroiddarks]

PCs have the latest technology and can do things that the consoles can't. It's not me being a PC elitist. It's more of me being a tech fanboy. And that should be OK. That's how we move forward.

I remember when I read that HZD in PC will looks better than HZD 2 in PS5 while I just also saw you are verified.

How someone can be so wrong and pretend for work in the industry its argument become true because "look I am verified".

Your conclusion the HZD will looks better came from the bias of be PC fanboy, because a PC port should
looks better than any game in the new console even when is clear for many things like time for the release
of the port will not include any new technology available for the new console.

If that is not be a PC fanboy sorry I don't know what is. In the case you were only tech fanboy you will never say that stuff
because will be clear that port will not have all that new tech.

 

[Bo_Hazem]

I kind of doubt that the difference will be that massive.

You seem to be forgetting that XSX is using 4-channel for 16 modules, and PS5 is using 12-channel for 12 modules. 2.4Gb/s is best case scenario, with it being DRAM-less makes it even harder to achieve in real world results. Heat and throttling, 2 priority levels vs 6 on PS5, are all showing that 5.5GB/s raw of PS5 is sustainable. 7GB/s NVMe PCIe 4.0 with 8-channel, double what XSX has, and 2 true priority levels is still inferior to PS5's SSD!

You can't break physics. I think the difference will be staggering according to official demos showing 4x times advantage over HDD for XSX in real world results, and according to their official PR.

People can dream though.

 

[reksveks]

Man, your quote is very old. I went to uncle google and searched for a more accurate mathematics, check the post again. That old post wasn't accurate because it doesn't calculate everything together.

quote was old cause it was my first post and the mods were getting around to it.

 

[Bo_Hazem]

Because the whole bottleneck, phat pipe thing is BS.
I could say the PS5 is bottlenecked by its weaker RAM bandwidth compared to the XSX. You could say the XSX is bottlenecks by the SSD.
Reality is neither are bottlenecked.
Both Sony and Microsoft know what a bottleneck is, and they have both designed their system to not have one.
Be happy about that.

People are talking about bottlenecks as if they are some kind of secret now:

-12-Channel for 12 modules (PS5), 1:1 ratio VS 4-channel for 16 modules (XSX), 1:4 ratio = MASSIVE bottleneck, more heat generation and potential throttling.

-6 priority levels (PS5) VS 2 Priority levels (XSX): MASSIVE bottleneck, 3x times more latency, problems like lip sync and sound/animation glitching might be present or more RAM usage on XSX to offset that.

-SRAM (much better than DRAM) (PS5) VS DRAM-less: Unknown yet what's XSX solution here, but that could potential make the 2.4GB/s RAW near impossible to reach as DRAM-less SSD's are the cheapest in the market with worst longevity. Could use more CPU/RAM to offset that somehow.

- PS5's I/O is an equivalent of 11-12x ZEN2 cores vs 5x ZEN2 cores in XSX: PS5 100% offloads all decompression, direct GPU cache feed, cache scrubbing without a touch from the CPU (there is no GPU scrubbers in any other platform anyway, and that prevent stalls that can hurt framerates at least), XSX needs half a core out of the 8x main cores in the main CPU for decompression alone to assist the I/O.

- Hardware placement, and this is debatable as it's not 100% clear. According to Tim Sweeney, and even Yan Chernikov (Cherno channel) all indicate that the hardware is so closely integrated in the PS5 to reach this extremely low latency that's not possible on any PC, at least. Reminds us of the AMD's roadmap of stacked HW, and the cooling system as well suggests that:

So yes, the difference accordingly should be staggering, and those are physical bottlenecks.

 

[kensama]

For those who wants the gameplay leak of AC:

Ac Valhalla

 

[jonnyp]

Also let's not forget HZD on PC looking better H2FW on PS5...

Or saying Horizon Forbidden West trailer was prerendered because it was impossible for it to look like that in realtime. Then did a 180 saying it was realtime after "having it confirmed to be in realtime by one of his sources" but then of course it was looking very "gamey" and not that impressive anymore and his usual "remember consolites, it's a cutscene it will look much worse in gameplay!".

The fact that he, as a self-professed VFX industry professional, didn't figure out they were using baked lighting and shadow maps and how they did the hair rendering - which is nothing new from the previous game or the majority of 3D games developed up until now - is quite telling about his so-called "expertise" on the subject.

It's embarrassing if he's actually an adult, let alone an "industry professional".

 

[Metroiddarks]

People are talking about bottlenecks as if they are some kind of secret now:

-12-Channel for 12 modules (PS5), 1:1 ratio VS 4-channel for 16 modules (XSX), 1:4 ratio = MASSIVE bottleneck, more heat generation and potential throttling.

-6 priority levels (PS5) VS 2 Priority levels (XSX): MASSIVE bottleneck, 3x times more latency, problems like lip sync and sound/animation glitching might be present or more RAM usage on XSX to offset that.

-SRAM (much better than DRAM) (PS5) VS DRAM-less: Unknown yet what's XSX solution here, but that could potential make the 2.4GB/s RAW near impossible to reach as DRAM-less SSD's are the cheapest in the market with worst longevity. Could use more CPU/RAM to offset that somehow.

- PS5's I/O is an equivalent of 11-12x ZEN2 cores vs 5x ZEN2 cores in XSX: PS5 100% offloads all decompression, direct GPU cache feed, cache scrubbing without a touch from the CPU (there is no GPU scrubbers in any other platform anyway, and that prevent stalls that can hurt framerates at least), XSX needs half a core out of the 8x main cores in the main CPU for decompression alone to assist the I/O.

- Hardware placement, and this is debatable as it's not 100% clear. According to Tim Sweeney, and even Yan Chernikov (Cherno channel) all indicate that the hardware is so closely integrated in the PS5 to reach this extremely low latency that's not possible on any PC, at least. Reminds us of the AMD's roadmap of stacked HW, and the cooling system as well suggests that:

So yes, the difference accordingly should be staggering, and those are physical bottlenecks.

You really love to dream. I mean could happen but I don't think will happen. (regarding the 3d stacking)

 

[xacto]

Lol So he is back at 9TF for PS5 and the XSX has 25TF suddenly? I guess that happens if you smoke dirty shit.

Was thinking the same, mental illness and drugs are not a good match.

 

[Deleted member 775630]

Nice to meet you I am Artificial Intelligence Engineer.

So if you are engineer what are you talking about this? when you are designing a software are you able to dev a software which use in its 100% all your platforms available
even when in still designed in the year of your presentation, example make a software which should run in a FX-6300 in a decent performance while also your code
should use in the 100% the capabilities and features of the last ryzen CPU like use the set of instructions AVX, all of this while you already have a date to deliver and
your budget was assigned years before?

The answer is you cannot do it, because we just cannot spend and "infinite" amount time and money just reach that dream, so we have to make concessions, even
if you position you don't touch the code in so low level you should know that the people who is working with you and work in that part is who is in charge of make that decisions.

My logic is this one since the moment when start the design of that engine was years back before 2018, as we know when Phil Spencer
take the head of Xbox (2014), one of his first instructions was to created a machine which take again the crown of most powerful console
Xbox one X and was release until 2017, during this period of time Halo 5 was released (2015) and probably close to the 2015 the new engine
start is dev lest say 2014 during all this time until 2017 XSX was probably only in the mind of a couple of engineers of Xbox, also remember
they also need AMD actually have a GPU RDNA working man this was very after that year (2017) you 343 was already working in the game even before
AMD finished the RDNA or have it the Ryzen which happens until 2017.

You cannot go with your team and say people we change the way in how the are going to run some workflow because AMD came with the new ryzen CPU
so we need to create also a way of fully used, so please people of slipspace engine create a new API or libraries specialized for use the new set of instructions
and the came after the next year or two people AMD has the RDNA 2 please modified the engine for use RT to the max potential of the new GPU which still in
discussion for other team inside XBOX about the correct configuration of the SoC.

Is a miracle the games like Halo Infinite use some features of the new gen while still running in very old and obsolete hardware, think will use 100% in both sides
is dreaming with the open eyes.

Have two teams is a way to improve this but is not magically resolve the problem still exists and is not like both teams means one can change completely the mechanics
for use the new CPU and SSD at least they shouldn't, the team in charge of XSX and XSS has more limited time to designed,update or even create parts of the engine,
have two team means each team focus in each gen but not they will be able to do everything they want.

Cool, so we basically have the same job.

To counter your perspective, when they started working on the Slipspace engine they knew they needed to make it so that games developed on it would be able to run on low-end hardware as well as high-end hardware. They knew they needed to support new hardware features that isn't available on every platform. I'm 100% sure this engine will support all of this, and taken this into account. Why? Unreal Engine 5 is doing exactly the same. That's also an engine that's able to run on each platform. Does that mean you will get PS5 demo graphics on an iPhone? Nope, but that doesn't mean you can't create a game that will be changed depending on the platform you are running on.

343i already said that the Slipspace Engine was created for next-gen development, they are very aware what is needed for this. At the same time, 343i also said that Halo Infinite would include Ray Tracing. They are obviously not talking about the base Xbox One version here, because that's just not realistic. So on the one hand you have an engine that is able to run on multiple devices (low-end PC/Xbox One as well as high-end PC/XSX), while the team size to make sure that both versions will get the best out of the engine. I honestly don't see any issue here from a software engineering point of view knowing the amount of talent and money they have behind this game and engine.

 

[Bo_Hazem]

Not an unreasonable question. After all, 1080p can be transposed to 1800p by simply pressing the keys in the wrong order when typing. This is the first time I've seen a console dev offer that resolution.

We analysed both the PS4 and PS4 Pro versions of Watch Dogs 2. Keep in mind that some weather inconsistencies may be seen in footage for the PS4 version. The base version runs at 1080p resolution and 30 frames per second, offering up some pretty good performance overall. On the PS4 Pro, the resolution is 1800p up to 4K courtesy of checkerboard rendering. While a large amount of pop-in reduction was noticed compared to the base game, it is important to note that the Pro version would at times show signs of frame drops.

Watch Dogs 2 PS4 vs PS4 Pro Graphics Comparison: Better Image Quality, Less Texture Pop In And More

gamingbolt.com

My first game on PS4 Pro was 1800p. HZD as well:

"It's a bit of a quality/quantity trade-off you can make," muses de Carpentier, "[You could have] 1800p checkerboard rendering in our case at least, with more whistles and bells attached to it, so you could have more sharpness in those 1800p checkerboard pixels versus a little less sharpness in 2160p checkerboard - but you do have 2160p so you do have that little extra detail in the geometry and the textures."

Horizon Zero Dawn: the making of PS4 Pro's best 4K game

Guerrilla Games' Horizon Zero Dawn not only raised the bar in terms of technical accomplishment on current generation c…

www.eurogamer.net

 

[Bo_Hazem]

Well I bookmarked some of VFX Veterans posts so I could come back to it and I found a lot of BS to be honest.
(Sorry dark mode users)

Well we already know what here is BS such as there being only one version of the PS5 and that Legendz game and the games that were not teased at the PS5 event.

Okay so according to the perfect insider we have two PS5 models one being the base PS5 at 9TF and the PS5 Pro which will rival the 12TF XSX. But also the PS5 Pro is coming out at launch ... but he has no dates for when the PS5 Pro will launch.

Okay so now the perfect insider tells us that the PS5 pro which is launching at the same time as the base PS5 which is launching in 2020 might be launching two years after the base PS5 which is a massive contradiction. He also tells us that this mysterious PS5 Pro and the XSX might cost as high as $800 which is obviously bullshit. Also it doesn't make sense for this hypothetical PS5 Pro to be less powerful than the XSX if there is a two year gap between the two.

Now you may be wondering what did VFX say after the PS5 spec reveal.

If your wondering what Mr Perfect is saying here is that the 10.28TF PS5 is probably the PS5 Pro version he was talking about before

Anyways you can see for yourself above what he has said but I don't know about you guys but I'm coming to the conclusion he is just another fraud insider like Tommy and O'dium and Osiris and whoever else has come along with insider information.

Sorry for the long post but most of you guys probably scrolled past anyways

I can't believe he's not permanently banned yet, this really hurts the reputation of NeoGAF.

 

[Lethal01]

I can't believe he's not permanently banned yet, this really hurts the reputation of NeoGAF.

Could be worse, he could be using light theme.

 

[Darius87]

Cool, so we basically have the same job.

To counter your perspective, when they started working on the Slipspace engine they knew they needed to make it so that games developed on it would be able to run on low-end hardware as well as high-end hardware. They knew they needed to support new hardware features that isn't available on every platform. I'm 100% sure this engine will support all of this, and taken this into account. Why? Unreal Engine 5 is doing exactly the same. That's also an engine that's able to run on each platform. Does that mean you will get PS5 demo graphics on an iPhone? Nope, but that doesn't mean you can't create a game that will be changed depending on the platform you are running on.

343i already said that the Slipspace Engine was created for next-gen development, they are very aware what is needed for this. At the same time, 343i also said that Halo Infinite would include Ray Tracing. They are obviously not talking about the base Xbox One version here, because that's just not realistic. So on the one hand you have an engine that is able to run on multiple devices (low-end PC/Xbox One as well as high-end PC/XSX), while the team size to make sure that both versions will get the best out of the engine. I honestly don't see any issue here from a software engineering point of view knowing the amount of talent and money they have behind this game and engine.

what programming language you use for ML?

 

[Deleted member 775630]

what programming language you use for ML?

DM me if you want to derail this topic when it comes to my job. I'm happy to answer your questions there.

 

[B_Boss]

Well I bookmarked some of VFX Veterans posts so I could come back to it and I found a lot of BS to be honest.
(Sorry dark mode users)

Well we already know what here is BS such as there being only one version of the PS5 and that Legendz game and the games that were not teased at the PS5 event.

Okay so according to the perfect insider we have two PS5 models one being the base PS5 at 9TF and the PS5 Pro which will rival the 12TF XSX. But also the PS5 Pro is coming out at launch ... but he has no dates for when the PS5 Pro will launch.

Okay so now the perfect insider tells us that the PS5 pro which is launching at the same time as the base PS5 which is launching in 2020 might be launching two years after the base PS5 which is a massive contradiction. He also tells us that this mysterious PS5 Pro and the XSX might cost as high as $800 which is obviously bullshit. Also it doesn't make sense for this hypothetical PS5 Pro to be less powerful than the XSX if there is a two year gap between the two.

Now you may be wondering what did VFX say after the PS5 spec reveal.

If your wondering what Mr Perfect is saying here is that the 10.28TF PS5 is probably the PS5 Pro version he was talking about before

Anyways you can see for yourself above what he has said but I don't know about you guys but I'm coming to the conclusion he is just another fraud insider like Tommy and O'dium and Osiris and whoever else has come along with insider information.

Sorry for the long post but most of you guys probably scrolled past anyways

Do you really need somebody to spell out for you how much bollocks you wrote? OK, fine, I have some time anyway.

31- 01 - 2020:

• PS5 event in February - WRONG
• PS5 release in October - still UNKNOWN
• PS5 at $499, one model - price part still UNKNOWN, second part WRONG
• Launch games are GT7, MLB The Show 21, Demon's Souls Remastered, Godfall, Legendz - as far as we can tell and all logic now suggests you got 1/5, congratulation. So mostly WRONG
• Teasers for Horizon 2, Spider-Man sequel, 3 new IPs, FF XVI, RE - if we count Miles Morales as a sequel, 3/7 of those you mentioned are confirmed to exist. Let's say UNKNOWN so far?
• PS5 almost on par with XSX, XSX more espensive, XSS worse than PS5 - we don't know the prices, but the rest is CORRECT
• PS5 slogan is "It's time to play" - WRONG, it's actually "Play has no limits"

25 - 02 -2020:

• Base consoles and "mid-gen refreshes" will both be "introduced" at launch for both PS5 and Xbox - First of all, by pure definition a launch console won't be a "mid-gen" refresh, so that makes no sense to begin with. Or why "introducing" a mid-gen console at launch would "cover the whole 7 years cycle" any better than not doing it? However, we don't know yet if Lockhart will really release in 2020, but assuming that is true and being generous on the terminology let's say that it's CORRECT for Microsoft. Still WRONG for Sony. Also, here we have your first unexplained CONTRADICTION (a month earlier you said there's just one PS5)
• One PS5 is 9TF, the other one is to "compete with SXS" - No matter what you are going to call the one real PS5 we are getting, since you are measuring stuff in TFLOPS this is WRONG (PS5 is not 9TF, but neither it's close to XSX's 12).
• Top 2 consoles will be around $600 - I and any industry analyst I read seriously doubt that, but to be fair so far it's still UNKNOWN
• No date for PS5 release - Let's assume you meant "base" PS5 comes out in October, so no contradiction there. But since there is no PS5 Pro (and you yourself will go on to say that what we get now IS the PS5 Pro), there is either your CONTRADICTION or where you are WRONG
• XSX = PS5 Pro > PS5 > Lockhart - there is no PS5 and PS5 Pro, so by virtue of that automatically WRONG
• XSX and PS5 "Pro" could cost up to $800 - technically still UNKNOWN, even though by any possible solid data and estimate we now have this sounds like sheer lunacy. Also, you JUST SAID, THAT VERY DAY, YOU THINK THEY WOULD COST $600. That's $200 dollars, how the hell can you be told one figure and then assume another one so different. So here is another CONTRADICTION.
• PS5 Pro might come out only in 2022 - I don't know, it might? But you will say that this PS5 we are now getting is the Pro? So WRONG?

18 - 03 -2020:

• Now the actual PS5 is what you called the PS5 Pro, there is still also an unannounced base PS5, and they are both coming out in 2020 - congratulations, you managed both to be almost certainly WRONG (99% by now now we know there is not another, less powerful PS5) and to CONTRADICT your earlier statement (PS5 Pro is years in the making) in one single take.

So to conclude, in regards to PS5 in particular you were not just wrong: you managed to be so wrong that you gave THREE completely different stories and you STILL pigeon-holed (no intentional references ) the only possible route that would prove 100% wrong along every SINGLE step of the way. First that there is one PS5 model; then that there are two PS5 models, but the one that actually turned out to exist would release in 2022; then that there will be in fact two PS5 models at launch, but one will be different in term of hardware and performance, not just a disk-less version. Which are ALL 100% WRONG.

I'm gonna be very blunt: based on this track record, I'd rather hear what you have to say and then bet on the exact opposite. Because you were not just wrong, you were statistics-wise abnormally wrong.

 

[Bo_Hazem]

Could be worse, he could be using light theme.

 

[Bill O'Rights]

Folks,


There are now dedicated threads for both platforms in which specific posts and speculation can be posted. These threads will be moderated a lot more strictly with regards to people derailing them, going in to pick fights or trying to police which speculation is authorised to be talked about.


PS5 thread
Xbox thread


At the moment, the xbox thread is still in gaming to pick up subs (like the PS5 thread also was). As such, we are now lifting a number of reply bans in this thread. These are listed below, with relevant members tagged.


Shin
Proelite
D DoctaThompson
D darkinstinct
Reindeer
gaming_noob
Hendrick's
Lort
Daniel_Mallorca1985
P prinz_valium
kyliethicc
pyrocro
SatansReverence
longdi
R Redlight
Dory16
StreetsofBeige
E eastwood333
ZywyPL
S sinnergy
S semicool
Aceofspades
Jon Neu
The Shift


Going forward, this thread is expected to be a lot more cordial and open to genine discussion of the differing technologies, how they work and evidencing why they are better/more efficient. Any deliberate antagonising remarks (such as 9TF, brute force) and any other point scoring nonsense will be an immediate removal from the thread and you'll be directed to the platform thread above. Any hostiltiy or name calling, will also incur the same penalty. Any meta discussion in here like the pages about specific games (e.g. TLOU II) will also lead to temporary removal so you can discuss this in the appropriate threads. We did suggest closing it but the consensus was to keep it open, therefore this thread should remain on topic with calm and rational discussion.

 

[RicochetBullet]

Looking at that woman, no wonder they came to our shores for ours. FFS

And if you like your woman looking like Russian power lifters, there is nothing wrong with that... Bo

I don't see the problem, for a female viking she looks properly built and badass as she's supposed to. We don't all feel the need to be aroused by the women we play in games.

What bothers me is the animations, especially of the faces. My god they look even stiffer than Odyssey and I have hard time believing It'll be fixed.
Other than that, nothing remarkable stood out.

We better lower our expectations for Valhalla, sadly.

 

[ToadMan]

Is it me or does this read like it was typed by Trump?

There’s GCN tflops, RDNA tflops and now there’s RT tflops.

Makes perfect sense no? Lol

 

[Darius87]

flud gates just opened for even more fallacy, dumb arguments and reports but it's ok to be wrong in here it's just your opinion.
while seemed this thread was going into right direction for a while.

 

[ZywyPL]

Sony is dead
/s

That's the guy from XB1 power brick dGPU right? He's like that Kaz Hirai parody account, except he does take it all seriously LMAO.


EDIT:
Just went through some of his posts, drugs are indeed very bad.

 

[lepermessiah]

It's a whole new level of "I am authority." He's like the final boss.

 

[pesaddict]

Its to early for this shit I'm going back to bed

 

[xacto]

It's a whole new level of "I am authority." He's like the final boss.

There are some pretty nasty end bosses out there. Usually with different phases, like they keep coming back when you thought you were done with them.

 

[Shin]

PS5 thread
Xbox thread

What is the point of this thread, the consoles are due in 4 months +-, since there are dedicated threads even rumors can be discussed there with those that are interested in it.
Also I'll point something out none of you have taken notice of, the OP was inactive for 7-8 months and only bothered to login the day PS had their GDC stream.
There's no new information in OP, so basically a dead thread where everything goes, it's seldom that both sides can come together and discuss things in a way deemed fit as adult.
To that extent I'd say let them stay in the designated thread and discuss their interests (facts or rumors) to their heart's content, without the derail, without the console war(s) or personal attacks.

 

[ZywyPL]

What is the point of this thread, the consoles are due in 4 months +-, since there are dedicated threads even rumors can be discussed there with those that are interested in it.
Also I'll point something out none of you have taken notice of, the OP was inactive for 7-8 months and only bothered to login the day PS had their GDC stream.
There's no new information in OP, so basically a dead thread where everything goes, it's seldom that both sides can come together and discuss things in a way deemed fit as adult.
To that extent I'd say let them stay in the designated thread and discuss their interests (facts or rumors) to their heart's content, without the derail, without the console war(s) or personal attacks.

Amen to that. Once the specs of both consoles have been out the speculations should've ended, but some still continued to make up their fairy tales like they did before with 32GB HBM or 20TF. Not only this, but we already saw many many games, and we are seeing more of them almost every week or so, so again, even less room to talk about what is/will/should be possible, it's all there, right in front of us, people just need to accept the reality.

 

[kensama]

Folks,


There are now dedicated threads for both platforms in which specific posts and speculation can be posted. These threads will be moderated a lot more strictly with regards to people derailing them, going in to pick fights or trying to police which speculation is authorised to be talked about.


PS5 thread
Xbox thread


At the moment, the xbox thread is still in gaming to pick up subs (like the PS5 thread also was). As such, we are now lifting a number of reply bans in this thread. These are listed below, with relevant members tagged.


Shin
Proelite
D DoctaThompson
D darkinstinct
Reindeer
gaming_noob
Hendrick's
Lort
Daniel_Mallorca1985
P prinz_valium
kyliethicc
pyrocro
SatansReverence
longdi
R Redlight
Dory16
StreetsofBeige
E eastwood333
ZywyPL
S sinnergy
S semicool
Aceofspades
Jon Neu
The Shift


Going forward, this thread is expected to be a lot more cordial and open to genine discussion of the differing technologies, how they work and evidencing why they are better/more efficient. Any deliberate antagonising remarks (such as 9TF, brute force) and any other point scoring nonsense will be an immediate removal from the thread and you'll be directed to the platform thread above. Any hostiltiy or name calling, will also incur the same penalty. Any meta discussion in here like the pages about specific games (e.g. TLOU II) will also lead to temporary removal so you can discuss this in the appropriate threads. We did suggest closing it but the consensus was to keep it open, therefore this thread should remain on topic with calm and rational discussion.

Can we hope that the warriors of each console manufacturer will not intoxicate any of the thread?

 

[Luck]

I really don't like separate threads. I prefer 2 in 1, where you can easily follow the discussion about both platforms, compare them, analyze etc. instead of separating from each other and wondering if sometimes something fits better to Xbox or Playstation [OT]. It's also fun to watch various disagreements and arguments. The same was done Era, where my interest in the speculation thread dropped dramatically and I don't even know anymore which one is worth following there.

So I hope that this thread will not share such a fate, and it will still be the most popular one where the general discussion about next-gen will take place.

 

[Bo_Hazem]

I like Matt, but no matter how hard he shoots facts and sense, some have a very thick skull that is logic-proof.

 

[ToadMan]

What is the point of this thread, the consoles are due in 4 months +-, since there are dedicated threads even rumors can be discussed there with those that are interested in it.
Also I'll point something out none of you have taken notice of, the OP was inactive for 7-8 months and only bothered to login the day PS had their GDC stream.
There's no new information in OP, so basically a dead thread where everything goes, it's seldom that both sides can come together and discuss things in a way deemed fit as adult.
To that extent I'd say let them stay in the designated thread and discuss their interests (facts or rumors) to their heart's content, without the derail, without the console war(s) or personal attacks.

Welcome back.

So your first return post is off topic asking to close the thread? Ok .... yeah anything goes I guess.

So since according to you, everything is cleared up, can you tell me the price, launch day and release games for the Xsex and/or PS5 together with your sources?

Thank you.

 

[PaintTinJr]

Amen to that. Once the specs of both consoles have been out the speculations should've ended, but some still continued to make up their fairy tales like they did before with 32GB HBM or 20TF. Not only this, but we already saw many many games, and we are seeing more of them almost every week or so, so again, even less room to talk about what is/will/should be possible, it's all there, right in front of us, people just need to accept the reality.

But surely you'd agree that there are a lot of holes in the spec sheet of both - particularly regarding ACE count, ROPs, IO latency on VA, the silicon of the PS5 APU, etc, etc.

With UE5 demo being implied to be 100% ACE and 10% Fixed path GPU (with io complex) the missing specs surely leave a lot to speculate about. and Xbox haven't put forward their equivalent lineup showcase, to see a potential win for their strategy.

 

[Bo_Hazem]

industrial espionage

Why is he hacking every PS-related tweet? This is actually free advertisement for Sony, he should know better. Sony didn't even mention xbox in their campaign.

 

[ToadMan]

Amen to that. Once the specs of both consoles have been out the speculations should've ended, but some still continued to make up their fairy tales like they did before with 32GB HBM or 20TF. Not only this, but we already saw many many games, and we are seeing more of them almost every week or so, so again, even less room to talk about what is/will/should be possible, it's all there, right in front of us, people just need to accept the reality.

Yeah but I think the reason the console OTs are dead right now is because there’s very little confirmed detail to put in them.

Ok put in some flops and gb/s and a pic or two.

But there’s no price, dates, release lineups, exclusives, tear downs or whatever.

At the moment there is a lot of speculation because Sony and MS have held a lot of detail back longer than anticipated. I thought we’d get most information confirmed in June, now there might be questions even in August waiting to be addressed.

In one sense the popularity of this thread is the exact reason it should be left open for now. It sticks on the front page - someone cares enough to come here

Artificially closing it because ... “some people” .... are unable to take part in it successfully, is hardly the fault of the those who were speculating over things in here.

 

[pasterpl]

Why is he hacking every PS-related tweet? This is actually free advertisement for Sony, he should know better. Sony didn't even mention xbox in their campaign.

but you know, not everyone have a fanboy mentality, some people might enjoy games regardless of the platform, there is no vr support for xbsex, so there is no gain for Xbox camp from Phil saying this. People spare seriously reading too much into some stuff.

 

[Bo_Hazem]

but you know, not everyone have a fanboy mentality, some people might enjoy games regardless of the platform, there is no vr support for xbsex, so there is no gain for Xbox camp from Phil saying this. People spare seriously reading too much into some stuff.

Who knows? Maybe they're planning to support VR, at least 3rd party VR as it's already using a Windows-based API? Why not open the doors for potential PC migration? We all know that the PC master race is only 3% or less, and XSX sounds like a massive bargain and investment for them in comparison.

Actually, MS is too stupid not to support Word, Powerpoint, Excel for free in every xbox for potential students using it. Although it's minor and usually students have PC/laptop/tablets that support those, it adds value to your platform.

 

[Bill O'Rights]

What is the point of this thread, the consoles are due in 4 months +-, since there are dedicated threads even rumors can be discussed there with those that are interested in it.
Also I'll point something out none of you have taken notice of, the OP was inactive for 7-8 months and only bothered to login the day PS had their GDC stream.
There's no new information in OP, so basically a dead thread where everything goes, it's seldom that both sides can come together and discuss things in a way deemed fit as adult.
To that extent I'd say let them stay in the designated thread and discuss their interests (facts or rumors) to their heart's content, without the derail, without the console war(s) or personal attacks.

Unfortunately because we're engaged in this cat/mouse game between Microsoft and Sony, the thread has ran on longer than we probably need. However, there is still room to speculate on unspecified items and issues. The dimensions of the PS5, the ports on the back of the PS5, the speculated pros and cons of each approach or technology, dates of release, launch titles etc.

 

[Shin]

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I believe you can read, if not perhaps visit an optician?

To answer your question which was already covered by the post you're felt inclined to respond to, the things you wish to discuss can be done within the threads for that specific console.
That way we can avoid replies such as yours which didn't require a response as the initial post wasn't directed towards you and we might all be saved from likes that creates an illusion.

 

[CrysisFreak]

Phil Spencer if you read this add me on PSN lmao.

 

[kensama]

but you know, not everyone have a fanboy mentality, some people might enjoy games regardless of the platform, there is no vr support for xbsex, so there is no gain for Xbox camp from Phil saying this. People spare seriously reading too much into some stuff.

Who knows? Maybe they're planning to support VR, at least 3rd party VR as it's already using a Windows-based API? Why not open the doors for potential PC migration? We all know that the PC master race is only 3% or less, and XSX sounds like a massive bargain and investment for them in comparison.

Actually, MS is too stupid not to support Word, Powerpoint, Excel for free in every xbox for potential students using it. Although it's minor and usually students have PC/laptop/tablets that support those, it adds value to your platform.

But we had a recently news that Ms partnered with HP and steam for VR.

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[ToadMan]

I believe you can read, if not perhaps visit an optician?

To answer your question which was already covered by the post you're felt inclined to respond to, the things you wish to discuss can be done within the threads for that specific console.
That way we can avoid replies such as yours which didn't require a response as the initial post wasn't directed towards you and we might all be saved from likes that creates an illusion.

Personal insult straight out of the gate? Anything still goes - is that what you’re trying to prove?

My post pointed our there is stuff to speculate over - the very title of this thread - that isn’t suited to an OT.

The popularity and post count of this thread despite many bannings for those who couldn’t be nice, is the best reason to say it should stay open for now.

 

[ZywyPL]

I really don't like separate threads. I prefer 2 in 1, where you can easily follow the discussion about both platforms, compare them, analyze etc. instead of separating from each other and wondering if sometimes something fits better to Xbox or Playstation [OT]. It's also fun to watch various disagreements and arguments. The same was done Era, where my interest in the speculation thread dropped dramatically and I don't even know anymore which one is worth following there.

So I hope that this thread will not share such a fate, and it will still be the most popular one where the general discussion about next-gen will take place.

I think it's WAY better to have the two separate OTs, especially if they will be under strict moderation. We saw tens (hundreds?) of PS5 and XBX oriented threads in the past half a year, where each one of them sooner or later turned into nothing but console warring between two camps and got closed eventually, even tho some people had genuine discussions about a particular tech/solution/rumor. Bare in mind there are only so many mods here and they cannot keep up with every single post, so once they jump into a thread it's often already too late and it's just better/easier to just close it. This OT isn't any better, this is where the vast majority of bans come from, but that's exactly because it's being constantly moderated, so having two OTs will separate the flaming camps, and whenever someone will try to derail an OT he will get his "reward", while others would still be able to continue the discussion.

Yeah but I think the reason the console OTs are dead right now is because there’s very little confirmed detail to put in them.

That's exactly my point - if it's not confirmed=it's not there, and there's no reason to do circles about it, which always end up with nothing but flaming. Like the PS5 GPU being RDNA1/2/3 for example - it's RDNA2, it's been clearly stated multiple times, especially during GCN presentation by Cerny himself, dunno why people keep talking about it, there are just some people who desperately try to make it look worse than it is as well as people who desperately try to make it look better than it is, that's what all those "speculations" are mostly about, and nothing good comes out of it. VRS hasn't been confirmed for the PS5, so it's not there, Primitive Shaders haven't been confirmed for XBX, so it's not there, and so on. The way I see those "speculations" is like Elon Musk didn't say there isn't a V8 in the next Tesla so people keep speculating about it indeed being under the hood, it just doesn't make any sense at all...

But there’s no price, dates, release lineups, exclusives, tear downs or whatever.

But all of that can be discussed in the respective OTs, no?