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[sircaw]

Hi guys! Just popping in to say that I´m looking forward for MS show. I hope they bring their a-game. On another note, SONYs Tempest Engine is very intresting, seems to be very flexible.
That´s all, take care out there and let´s hope this freaking virus will be gone before the year ends.

If you was here i would Squeeze you, in a good way.

 

[Bladed Thesis]

You went too fast reading there though, wrote AAA/AA above it. And I think some will kill for an indie like Stray, Ghostwire, Kena at least. Most of these games are day one for me, at least. I think it covered most flavors there. But if Sony only showed their 9 PS Studio games then that alone is extremely solid and I can't see MS getting close to that, not to mention the spades near the chest that aren't shown yet.

Word, my mistake.

Still don't think Astro's Playroom counts but fair enough.

 

[SlimySnake]

I think people are still forgetting that the GTA V announcement was because it will be a free game for every PS5 buyer...

the game has already sold 120 million copies. most of them on ps4 which means everyone can already play it on the ps5 for free. ps5 is Backward compatible.

 

[DeepSpace5D]

I think anyone expecting Microsoft to show something near the level (not equal) of PS5 console/games reveal is really setting the bar too high and isn't paying enough attention to the gaming industry.

I think Microsoft’s July showcase will be on par with Sony’s PS5 event. They are going to go all out for this event and show pretty much everything major they are working on. There will be some impressive games shown and it will be received well. But I wonder if after this July showcase, will there be any other major game announcements for them until the Series X launch? Because it seems like Sony purposely held back somewhat during the PS5 event, and are planning for multiple waves of announcements leading up to launch.

 

[SlimySnake]

FULL or timed exclusive to launch 2020 (not all).

Little Devil Inside, Bugsnax, Astro Playroom (free with every PS5). Death Loop, Demon´s Souls RE, GT7, Horizon2, Kena, Returnal, Sackboy , Stray?, Godfall, Spiderman PS5 and Ratchet&Clank will outclass anything they got to show.

PS5 games by genre

Spoiler

1x racing with 5.5mill. views (WE GT SLUTS ARE THIRS:TEEEE AS FUCK!!!)
1x action hero licensed game with over 12mill. views (SWINGER)
4x platformer with close to 7mill. views
1x fast paced action shooter in space with switching worlds everytime you die by the guys behind RESOGUN close to 800K views (TPV-FAST-PACED_ACTION)
1x remake of Demons´s Souls close to 2.8mill. views (GITGUD)
1x outcasted female protagonist with 6.7mill. views (ARPG)
1x sexy looking ego shooter set in the 60s? with a neat mechanic with 700K views (PewPew)
1x TPV Hack&Slasher with LOOTING DEAD BODIES for those into that with close to 1mill. views (NOICE)

total views + PS5 reveal (main channel)
games (missing RE8 and others) 35mill views
PS5 reveal 27mill. views
generated views within 3 days (62 million views)
Metacritic Score 88%

What to expect from MS July

FM8
FH5 teaser
Halo 6 + TV Show by Spielberg and Peter Jackson´s Halo adaption.
Playground´s RPG
Rare´s Everwild (my fav.)
Sea of Thieves updates
potentially Gears6
first glimpse of The Initiative´s Single Player Game (hated so much by Phil.)
Hellblade 2
some indies as well
boring Flight Simu. shown on floor with a gamepad
minecraft raytracing again, different world
hopefully "live" demonstration of BC with older titles and how they get patched by the A.I to make them look nice/HDR (this is what interests me the most)
Obisidians shitty, lameass ripoff "Survival for Kids" Grounded for "papa gimmie money. Need to buy me some weapon, gotta defend myself from da bugs!"
1 or 2 surprises ...
Metacritic Score 74%

but you havent even seen it? how can you know for sure?

 

[Metroiddarks]

Cool, so we basically have the same job.

To counter your perspective, when they started working on the Slipspace engine they knew they needed to make it so that games developed on it would be able to run on low-end hardware as well as high-end hardware. They knew they needed to support new hardware features that isn't available on every platform. I'm 100% sure this engine will support all of this, and taken this into account. Why? Unreal Engine 5 is doing exactly the same. That's also an engine that's able to run on each platform. Does that mean you will get PS5 demo graphics on an iPhone? Nope, but that doesn't mean you can't create a game that will be changed depending on the platform you are running on.

343i already said that the Slipspace Engine was created for next-gen development, they are very aware what is needed for this. At the same time, 343i also said that Halo Infinite would include Ray Tracing. They are obviously not talking about the base Xbox One version here, because that's just not realistic. So on the one hand you have an engine that is able to run on multiple devices (low-end PC/Xbox One as well as high-end PC/XSX), while the team size to make sure that both versions will get the best out of the engine. I honestly don't see any issue here from a software engineering point of view knowing the amount of talent and money they have behind this game and engine.

Of course you make your engine scalable they are not dumb and I am agree with you the engine will use some features of the new hardware but still
my point you cannot just have in a intergen game/engine all the new features without affect the dev of the old one or even have it in time, this always
has been happens is not new.

Unreal engine doesn't fully utilize any console, that is why an studio like The Coalition use many time in optimize its workload or modified every aspect of that engine
in order to get the possible result.

You don't see a problem because probably never be in project which require years of work, this a titles/engines born in an crossgen moment and will become better
with the pass of the time and yes they cannot use everything they want. Sorry but the argument of money is not a good one, this used only for people who never
work it in a project like that and think the money solve all.

Even with the talent of Xbox studios doesn't mean they can reach you unrealistic expectations because this is normal to happen at least you think a studio like
Playground Games decide to not use in all its power the Xbox one in the FH2 for saved for FH4 because they are evil instead because is normal in the dev world.

Halo Infinite will looks gorgeous I don't have a doubt about this but I understand their next project will looks better because with the pass of this gen they be liberated from
the old gen and focus in XSX, XSS and have more time to optimize it engine and its devs and artists who used can do their works with more freedom, this a thing the money
cannot buy.

I don't know why we have a discussion of a topic so obvious even for people with 0 idea of coding can understand just because you argument is money.

Note: not because our titles are similar means we work in the same thing, this is not how this works, I don't care your current profession because is too personal for share it.

 

[zufuel]

 

[Voidout]

You went too fast reading there though, wrote AAA/AA above it. And I think some will kill for an indie like Stray, Ghostwire, Kena at least. Most of these games are day one for me, at least. I think it covered most flavors there. But if Sony only showed their 9 PS Studio games then that alone is extremely solid and I can't see MS getting close to that, not to mention the spades near the chest that aren't shown yet.

Their 9 studio exclusives showed huge variety, visual quality and gameplay styles.

 

[sircaw]

I think Microsoft’s July showcase will be on par with Sony’s PS5 event. They are going to go all out for this event and show pretty much everything major they are working on. There will be some impressive games shown and it will be received well. But I wonder if after this July showcase, will there be any other major game announcements for them until the Series X launch? Because it seems like Sony purposely held back somewhat during the PS5 event, and are planning for multiple waves of announcements leading up to launch.

I actually think Microsoft's event will be better, It has to be surely. They have been given all the time they need to make it shine, they will polish, touch up everything to the max. We are talking streamers and fireworks here. Sony has shown them the bar, matching it is not good enough from a Microsoft stand point, they need to go past it.

If Microsoft put on a poor show well, its over, if they can't make it work with all the extra time they have had, what can you say.

Saying that, Sony has so many things in reserve, i would imagine their Master plan is working as intended.
Microsoft will go full out, everyone will cheer, then slowly but surely over the next few months, Sony will drop big bombs, like a quick sequence from new God of war, spider-man, uncharted and so on all the way up to release.

Sony releasing Horizon zero dawn on the pc is not some random event, it is a well thought calculated endeavour.

Imagine Sony dropping a 20 minute video of Horizon Zero dawn 2 that same week, devastating.

 

[iamvin22]

The system level interface, the Dual Sense features, the new PSN/+/Now, and more games.

Lovely news.

Ding ding ding!!!

 

[THE:MILKMAN]

 

[sircaw]

It's not as good when you have already seen it do the rounds a month or two back,

 

[Great Hair]

but you havent even seen it? how can you know for sure?

Im not into Fable, it´s a bad rpg imho. If they´re using that for playground´s rpg ... it better be something new and not the same. Grounded we have seen more than enough, any survival game = gets a no thanks from me ... the others are kinda given

Forza, Forza H, Halo, Indies, more footage for Everwild and finally we can see what ex-sony playstation employees have to show (The initiative) ... other than that :

lots of indies (filler)
<5 new IPs? highly unlikely ...
Psychonauts 2

All im saying, don´t think anyone will be blown away .. unless they get Elden Ring or Y7 exclusively.

 

[Bo_Hazem]

I think Microsoft’s July showcase will be on par with Sony’s PS5 event. They are going to go all out for this event and show pretty much everything major they are working on. There will be some impressive games shown and it will be received well. But I wonder if after this July showcase, will there be any other major game announcements for them until the Series X launch? Because it seems like Sony purposely held back somewhat during the PS5 event, and are planning for multiple waves of announcements leading up to launch.

Not sure about that, though. The best games I can expect are FH5 and Halo Infinite, both aren't making me go crazy. It doesn't need to be on par, only needs to be decent and make xbox fans happy. If something is too interesting to skip I might give it a try on my PC.

 

[Handy Fake]

If you was here i would Squeeze you, in a good way.

SOCIAL DISTANCING.

 

[SlimySnake]

Their 9 studio exclusives showed huge variety, visual quality and gameplay styles.

i see what you are saying but you dont want variety in visual quality, you want consistency. ;p

 

[mitchman]

As been mentioned before, 6.25% of that CPU (1/2 a core out of 8 cores) is used to assist the decompression process, unlike PS5's, and that's only one thing unfold. That 100Mhz is only 2.8%.

Does he? I understand it the other way around, that despite some clock differences the CPUs will behave more or less the same, because well, they are the same Zen2 CPUs after all.

I'm pretty sure he's referring to the PS5 CPU only having a single CCX while the XSX CPU has a traditional 2x CCX CPU with infinity fabric interconnection. If this is the case, than the PS5 CPU should have an advantage when it comes to latency and memory access times. Zen 2 CPUs with 2 or more CCXs have latency issues, hence their high amount of L2 cache to reduce the impact.

 

[Bo_Hazem]

Word, my mistake.

Still don't think Astro's Playroom counts but fair enough.

Last time it was AAA and considered the best PSVR game to many, not sure how big this one is but has 4 realms. Still, it's a free game on every PS5, what's not to like 2 free games so far seems like a good deal, although if you give me GTA Online for free and pay me $60 every month to play it I won't do it!

 

[Neo Blaster]

I think anyone expecting Microsoft to show something near the level (not equal) of PS5 console/games reveal is really setting the bar too high and isn't paying enough attention to the gaming industry.

Bo, MS have to deliver and I'm hoping for that, another indiefest, Gamepass show and games from PC like they had in last E3 shows and I'm done with them.

 

[Bo_Hazem]

I'm pretty sure he's referring to the PS5 CPU only having a single CCX while the XSX CPU has a traditional 2x CCX CPU with infinity fabric interconnection. If this is the case, than the PS5 CPU should have an advantage when it comes to latency and memory access times. Zen 2 CPUs with 2 or more CCXs have latency issues, hence their high amount of L2 cache to reduce the impact.

That sounds interesting, and it's 1-10 levels above my comprehension, which is great! You learn something new everyday, if you have enough time I would love to understand this more.

 

[Neo Blaster]

I think people are still forgetting that the GTA V announcement was because it will be a free game for every PS5 buyer...

Considering literally everyone today has GTAV, that was a given.

 

[sircaw]

SOCIAL DISTANCING.

You as well, would make it a group hug.

 

[Bo_Hazem]

Bo, MS have to deliver and I'm hoping for that, another indiefest, Gamepass show and games from PC like they had in last E3 shows and I'm done with them.

I'm not saying they'll not deliver, but I doubt they'll reach PS5's first reveal in terms of games quality, and they don't have to, they only need to show decent games and have a good reveal overall.

 

[Neo Blaster]

Sorry bro, but someone already used this in PS favour.

 

[Deleted member 775630]

Of course you make your engine scalable they are not dumb and I am agree with you the engine will use some features of the new hardware but still
my point you cannot just have in a intergen game/engine all the new features without affect the dev of the old one or even have it in time, this always
has been happens is not new.

Unreal engine doesn't fully utilize any console, that is why an studio like The Coalition use many time in optimize its workload or modified every aspect of that engine in order to get the possible result.

You don't see a problem because probably never be in project which require years of work, this a titles/engines born in an crossgen moment and will become better
with the pass of the time and yes they cannot use everything they want. Sorry but the argument of money is not a good one, this used only for people who never
work it in a project like that and think the money solve all.

Even with the talent of Xbox studios doesn't mean they can reach you unrealistic expectations because this is normal to happen at least you think a studio like
Playground Games decide to not use in all its power the Xbox one in the FH2 for saved for FH4 because they are evil instead because is normal in the dev world.

Halo Infinite will looks gorgeous I don't have a doubt about this but I understand their next project will looks better because with the pass of this gen they be liberated from
the old gen and focus in XSX, XSS and have more time to optimize it engine and its devs and artists who used can do their works with more freedom, this a thing the money
cannot buy.

I don't know why we have a discussion of a topic so obvious even for people with 0 idea of coding can understand just because you argument is money.

The discussion is that Xbox One is holding back the Xbox Series X version. Nothing you have said shows anything like that. Will the next Halo after Infinite look even better, of course. Will the current version be held back by Xbox One? No, because like I said, they'll have two teams working on this within 343i. Just like Rise of The Tomb Raider had a separate team for the Xbox 360 version. Did the Xbox 360 version hold back the Xbox One/PS4 version? No.

My argument isn't money by the way. My argument is two versions of a single game.

 

[SlimySnake]

Im not into Fable, it´s a bad rpg imho. If they´re using that for playground´s rpg ... it better be something new and not the same. Grounded we have seen more than enough, any survival game = gets a no thanks from me ... the others are kinda given

Forza, Forza H, Halo, Indies, more footage for Everwild and finally we can see what ex-sony playstation employees have to show (The initiative) ... other than that :

lots of indies (filler)
<5 new IPs? highly unlikely ...
Psychonauts 2

All im saying, don´t think anyone will be blown away .. unless they get Elden Ring or Y7 exclusively.

we dont know. Fable could be a ground up reboot like GoW. I am not into fable either. I am not into Ratchet, bugsnax, and 95% of the indie shit Sony showed off. thats besides the point.

The idea behind these conferences is to sell us next gen. MS has the most powerful console and i HOPE they bring in some killer looking games with A LOT of next gen gameplay. i need to see their next gen vision. Yes, forza sucks, but with the power of next gen maybe they can get realistic destruction, weather and crowd that we simply werent able to get in the past gens. how many here remember the forza 5 crowd downgrade? even if they stick with franchises like fable, forza and halo, there is still a lot of room to innovate. i am willing to give them a chance. thats all.

 

[Metroiddarks]

Let the “games” begin...

I really miss the E3 instead only these guerrilla warfare.

I hope it's not 95% indie games like PS5 event. Come on MS.

From them I want to see dates, my problem with its current gen of Xbox was large gaps between releases
and I don't see title be serious competitor for goty but for the last one I need to wait until the release of each game.

 

[xacto]

People still running with this PS5 indie event nonsense

Every nonsense is legit if it help play down the PS5.

 

[BluRayHiDef]

Aye. I was hoping for a 16+n RAM setup on the PS5, where n would be some extra GBs of RAM specifically for use by the OS for background tasks and all kinds of other stuff.

Of course, with the SSD, it might be possible for Sony to offload the OS state on to drive when its not needed and pull it back out. Might work? There would be data shuffling going on if a game was close to maxing out the RAM and the OS wanted to come to the front. But, it would be possible.

Sony is dead
/s

If that were true, then the XSX would be able to run Minecraft with Ray tracing enabled at a resolution higher than 1080p and/ or with a framerate higher than 30 fps. This sounds like typical Microsoft marketing.

 

[DeeDogg_]

Can we actually get gameplay this time and not cinematic bullshots ?

 

[Bo_Hazem]

Those guys are hiding something...

 

[Tiago07]

Let's hope for something like Unreal Engine 5 even for 2022.

 

[Metroiddarks]

The discussion is that Xbox One is holding back the Xbox Series X version. Nothing you have said shows anything like that.

And still your devs/artists working in the same need to think is if possible in a jaguar CPU and a HDD. Is incredible
how you let you preference for a console blind you in something so obvious.

Will the next Halo after Infinite look even better, of course. Will the current version be held back by Xbox One? No

That is basically the definition of hold back.

because like I said, they'll have two teams working on this within 343i. Just like Rise of The Tomb Raider had a separate team for the Xbox 360 version. Did the Xbox 360 version hold back the Xbox One/PS4 version? No.

Yes it does in graphics, the next title still used for some people as benchmark while everyone forget how looks the first one.

If you are talking about the gameplay remember the CPU and HDD were the responsable for hold back this current gen many things.

My argument isn't money by the way. My argument is two versions of a single game.

That is basically you argument and is born from a combination of 'I like Xbox', 'Microsoft has money', 'Will have two teams ' and
'Please don't say any bad thing about the brand I like' (when actually is not a bad thing), your comments are not from an actual
dev I just listening a fan who doesn't understand the definition of 'hold back'.

 

[DeepSpace5D]

I actually think Microsoft's event will be better, It has to be surely. They have been given all the time they need to make it shine, they will polish, touch up everything to the max. We are talking streamers and fireworks here. Sony has shown them the bar, matching it is not good enough from a Microsoft stand point, they need to go past it.

If Microsoft put on a poor show well, its over, if they can't make it work with all the extra time they have had, what can you say.

Saying that, Sony has so many things in reserve, i would imagine their Master plan is working as intended.
Microsoft will go full out, everyone will cheer, then slowly but surely over the next few months, Sony will drop big bombs, like a quick sequence from new God of war, spider-man, uncharted and so on all the way up to release.

Sony releasing Horizon zero dawn on the pc is not some random event, it is a well thought calculated endeavour.

Imagine Sony dropping a 20 minute video of Horizon Zero dawn 2 that same week, devastating.

In terms of production, I agree Microsoft has all the time to prepare now and make the show look impressive. But it will be tough still to top the Sony event because the PS5 hardware was revealed for the first time during. I suppose the Series S reveal could be a pretty big deal if it happens.

Comparing the games, I guess it’s a matter of personal preference but people really love Spiderman. I think even the spinoff is bigger than Halo in this day and age and combine it with Horizon II, Ratchet, Gran Turismo, and Demon’s Souls. Microsoft really need to bring it this event to keep up.

But ya I envision a similar scenario as you. Sony has so much going on this year with people just finishing up TLoU: II, Ghost of Tsushima right around the corner, Horizon close to PC launch, and another State of Play in August with probably more game announcements. They can drop Horizon II gameplay when the first comes out on PC and blow people away. I’m hoping to see some Demon’s Souls gameplay in the future personally and it would be awesome if that Silent Hill reboot was real after all.

 

[Deleted member 775630]

That is basically you argument and is born from a combination of 'I like Xbox', 'Microsoft has money', 'Will have two teams ' and
'Please don't say any bad thing about the brand I like' (when actually is not a bad thing), your comments are not from an actual
dev I just listening a fan who doesn't understand the definition of 'hold back'.

Ok, discussion is over. Agree to disagree. When you start reacting like a child, I have no interest anymore. We'll see in 17 days when we'll see actual Halo Infinite gameplay.

 

[SlimySnake]

Bo, MS have to deliver and I'm hoping for that, another indiefest, Gamepass show and games from PC like they had in last E3 shows and I'm done with them.

yeah, i cant take another bad conference from MS. I have given these guys a shot time and time again. literally 7 or so bad conferences with the last good one being the e3 2013 one which got a lot of flack but showed off several great games though some they ended up cancelling.

If i were to steal from Final Bossman, this would be my Dos and Dont Dos for MS:

Do: Show next gen gameplay.
Dont Do: Show cross gen gameplay. Halo 5 is the only exception.
Do: Show exclusives on par if not better than the Unreal Engine 5 demo.
Dont Do: Show indie games. No one cares. If people cared about indies, they would sell more and win GOTYs.
Do: Show us ray tracing, weather, destruction, photorealistic visuals and new combat mechanics a cut above Sony's best first party efforts this gen.
Dont Do: Show cinematic trailers like Hellblade 2. Time for cock teasing is over.
Do: Tell us the goddamn price.
Dont: No more most powerful talk. We get it. Just shut up and show us what you got.
Dont: No more cars on stage.
Dont: No more kinect, tv show talk, anything to do with Yusuf Mehdi. Send him to Zynga.
Dont: Have montages of people saying one fancy catchy word. its pretentious and pointless.
Do: Innovate where Sony hasn't. Give us massive online games.
Dont Do: copy Sony's cinematic games.
Dont Do: Talk. No more talking. Please I cant handle anymore self flagellation.

 

[jose4gg]

I understand your point, its valid..

I just found it personally sad that they would open up a new generation of consoles, with what is essentially an old cash cow of a game with a fresh lick of paint.

I don't think it was a good look. They should of slotted it in towards the mid/end.

Open with Horizon, Rachet, i mean Sony has the best games in the world, use one of them just not GTA5

Yeah, but it's weird to frame it, like putting that info at the end would have been very wrong, leaving out of an event where millions are watching would have been wrong, I feel they should have started with other small games that do not have the same expectations as GTA has for the GTA VI...

 

[jose4gg]

the game has already sold 120 million copies. most of them on ps4 which means everyone can already play it on the ps5 for free. ps5 is Backward compatible.

Yea the game sold a lot, but yet, Epic store put it free for a week, and the downloads where massive...

 

[Bryank75]

25tflops? and it still cannot run Assassins Creed over 30fps!? That guy is so stupid....braindead infact!

 

[Handy Fake]

Those guys are hiding something...

Waldo?

Or Peter Crouch, 5 rows back, bottom left, red shirt.

 

[FranXico]

Sorry bro, but someone already used this in PS favour.

Note how not even once are actual games mentioned in this version. Not even Halo.
All these fans care about is power, "narratives" and taking "market share". Speaks volumes about the product target audience.

 

[3liteDragon]

Microsoft Expresses Interest in Acquiring Warner Game Unit - The Information

Microsoft Expresses Interest in Acquiring Warner Game Unit

Microsoft has expressed interest in acquiring the games division of Warner Bros., the publisher behind popular game franchises based on Batman, Harry Potter and other characters, according to two people familiar with the situation.An acquisition of the business, which consists of game ...

www.theinformation.com

 

[sircaw]

Waldo?

Or Peter Crouch, 5 rows back, bottom left, red shirt.

it does look like him lol.

 

[Hendrick's]

I'm not saying they'll not deliver, but I doubt they'll reach PS5's first reveal in terms of games quality, and they don't have to, they only need to show decent games and have a good reveal overall.

The MS event could easily surpass the somewhat forgettable PS5 reveal (as far as games, no one is forgetting the actual console reveal). They simply have more games to show.

 

[sircaw]

Microsoft Expresses Interest in Acquiring Warner Game Unit - The Information

Microsoft Expresses Interest in Acquiring Warner Game Unit

Microsoft has expressed interest in acquiring the games division of Warner Bros., the publisher behind popular game franchises based on Batman, Harry Potter and other characters, according to two people familiar with the situation.An acquisition of the business, which consists of game ...

www.theinformation.com

I really hope this is not true, i don't want the chance of batman games being ruined because of the incessant need to feed gamepass quicker.

 

[HeisenbergFX4]

Hello all this next month is going to be FUN.

 

[Bryank75]

Hello all this next month is going to be FUN.

I guess you're not going to go into any details.... hints?

 

[SlimySnake]

Hello all this next month is going to be FUN.

i hope its more FUN than last month because that shit was boring.

 

[Wraith Phantom]

Microsoft Expresses Interest in Acquiring Warner Game Unit - The Information

Microsoft Expresses Interest in Acquiring Warner Game Unit

Microsoft has expressed interest in acquiring the games division of Warner Bros., the publisher behind popular game franchises based on Batman, Harry Potter and other characters, according to two people familiar with the situation.An acquisition of the business, which consists of game ...

www.theinformation.com

So after MS announced closing all their stores. We are suppose to believe Satya Nadella will green light its weakest division.
Acquisition money in the 100million+ range to buy studios/talent that WB want to get rid off themselves. In a financial hard year.
In a year the xbox is releasing a new product & spending heavy.

Some of this shit man. SMH.

 

[Voidout]

Hello all this next month is going to be FUN.

hintsss plssss