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PS5 version of Sniper Contracts 2 delayed due to technical issues (featuring 3D audio derail).

SLB1904

Banned
In 1999 I could accurately tell exactly how many and basically to the inch where people were in counter strike by sound. With shitty headphones on a crappy PC set to regular stereo. Sounds have gotten much better in gaming, but it's not exclusive to ps5.
No one said that lol
 

Dr.Morris79

Gold Member
What sort of discussion were you expecting?
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ethomaz

Banned
Sorry my wording was poor. I didn't mean they didn't sound different. It's more none sounded better. Maybe on cheaper headphones the ps5 sounds "better" but on higher end properly amped headphones they are all quite similar.

Edit also I can't find Tom or PC gamer saying that. Link?

The effects are the same across versions... even PS4 has the same effects but it should best on PS5.
 
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Is not about how it sounds but how accurate the sound is located
For example in returnal you need to find a switch to open a small room with a chest in it. And the way to find it is by the sound. If aim anywhere near the door you can hear the switch beeping with an accurate sound location

No one said that lol
That's you saying that. I showed you an example from over 20 years ago that accurate sound location has been a thing in gaming.
 

ethomaz

Banned
Yeah read it again. It doesn't say what you think it says.
Read again he talk about all versions... he even mistook Series not having 3D audio so he had to fix the article.

“So, sure, you can play Resident Evil Village on a PS4, PC or Xbox One or Xbox Series X/S, but if you have the choice? I'd play it on the PS5 — but the Xbox Series X|S' 3D audio makes it a contender as well. This is one of the easy contenders for game of the year, and these immersive differences help you get the full experience of its wonderful tributes to horror movies.”
 
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ethomaz

Banned
The article compares only to PS4 but only makes a reference that Xbox has Atmos and Sonic (they failed to mention DTS also), but this wasn’t a comparison to anything other than PS4
“So, sure, you can play Resident Evil Village on a PS4, PC or Xbox One or Xbox Series X/S, but if you have the choice? I'd play it on the PS5 — but the Xbox Series X|S' 3D audio makes it a contender as well. This is one of the easy contenders for game of the year, and these immersive differences help you get the full experience of its wonderful tributes to horror movies.”

Selective reading? C’mon.
 

FrankieSab

Member
Tempest is designed from the ground up for gaming. Tracking hundreds of moving sources at once. This is essential because characters and the camera are constantly in motion.
Dolby is designed primarily for TV and film and uses stationary sound sources almost exclusively. Gaming is an afterthought for them. Stationary sources are fine for TV because the location of everything in a scene is fixed and known. They are awful for video games where every object is in almost constant motion that is unpredictable.
It's what Dolby Atmos and DTS:X are offering compared to older format . They offer a way to calculate the positioning of sound like Tempest is also doing. So your analogy is false.
 
When will Cerny come to my house and analyse my ears so I can get the ultimate tempest experience?

Or can i just cut off my ears and mail them to Sony for analysis. A small sacrifice for the ultimate experience that is "Tempest 3D audio" tm brought to you by Sony entertainment!

mel brooks GIF


I don't think Cerny wants your ear.

:messenger_tears_of_joy:

Cerny Wife: Honey there's a letter for you and it has something squishy inside it.

Cerny: Not another one. I only wanted pictures of their ears not the actual thing. I guess I'll just make an ear necklace and sell it on eBay.

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GuinGuin

Banned
It's what Dolby Atmos and DTS:X are offering compared to older format . They offer a way to calculate the positioning of sound like Tempest is also doing. So your analogy is false.

They still use stationary sound sources. My analogy is accurate.
 
Read again he talk about all versions... he even mistook Series not having 3D audio so he had to fix the article.

“So, sure, you can play Resident Evil Village on a PS4, PC or Xbox One or Xbox Series X/S, but if you have the choice? I'd play it on the PS5 — but the Xbox Series X|S' 3D audio makes it a contender as well. This is one of the easy contenders for game of the year, and these immersive differences help you get the full experience of its wonderful tributes to horror movies.”
They only make comparisons to PS4. This paragraph doesn't have a comparison of anything to ps5 except series is a contender as well. Which is also odd since PC offers the same 3d audio as Xbox. Again nowhere does it say anything remotely ps5 is better than anything except PS4.
 

hlm666

Member
They still use stationary sound sources. My analogy is accurate.

Not sure how only being able to support stationary sound sources would work in things like cod and r6 siege among other things.

"DTS Headphone:X leverages Microsoft Spatial sound, enabling the most believable, 3D audio experience for games. Immersion through DTS Headphone:X means in the sonic landscape, stationary and moving sounds can be heard from above, below or around the listener. Sounds pass around the listener with amazing externalization and accurate localization."

 
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ManaByte

Member
Not sure how only being able to support stationary sound sources would work in things like cod and r6 siege among other things.

"DTS Headphone:X leverages Microsoft Spatial sound, enabling the most believable, 3D audio experience for games. Immersion through DTS Headphone:X means in the sonic landscape, stationary and moving sounds can be heard from above, below or around the listener. Sounds pass around the listener with amazing externalization and accurate localization."

Atmos for headphones is the same. But the Dolby license is less than DTS.
 
The sound argument always cracks me up considering the PS5 doesn’t support Atmos surround speakers for games. So the argument is that a virtual surround solution like Tempest is somehow better than a true, physical surround (with actual speakers positioned behind you) because Sony magic.
I'd say the percentage of people with Dolby Atmos surround set ups are about 1/100th of the people who have headphones. I'll let it slide though, I get you gotta flaunt whatever miniscule one-ups you can scrounge up when you don't have any games.
 

phil_t98

#SonyToo
Why do so many people pretend they bought the same game twice on different systems? 🤭
Very easy to compare these days with lots of games going free to play and to add into the mix PlayStation plus also games with gold and gamepass. Lots of ways to own the same game without having to buy twice.
 

dotnotbot

Member
I feel like another user having Playstation avatar instantly triggers some of you into fight mode, it's hillarious. Like a red cape for a bull.
 
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Wulfer

Member
The only thing xbox does better than ps5 is the gpu. everything else ps5 is better and is not close.
Has to be a joke post, no one would say this in there right mind! Sony didn't even give you the option of purchasing Atmos on your headsets. Superior sound I call BS, more like too cheap to include the best standard (and superior brand) on the market. Where's your answer for Dobly Vision?
 
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GuinGuin

Banned
Not sure how only being able to support stationary sound sources would work in things like cod and r6 siege among other things.

"DTS Headphone:X leverages Microsoft Spatial sound, enabling the most believable, 3D audio experience for games. Immersion through DTS Headphone:X means in the sonic landscape, stationary and moving sounds can be heard from above, below or around the listener. Sounds pass around the listener with amazing externalization and accurate localization."


It supports some moving sounds. 10-20 I believe but not the hundreds of Tempest 3D audio. The rest have to be faked with tricks like tying the stationary sounds to a position attached to the camera.
 

SLB1904

Banned
I have no idea what the issue is. Please elaborate.
Come on mate. That's old technology. Even tho has the same principle but is just your nostalgia talking
Is like me saying ray tracing isnt nothing new because cerny had a game with ray tracing in the 80s
 
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rofif

Can’t Git Gud
Was looking toward to checking out the latest sniper ghost warrior game but it’s been delayed on ps5 due to “technical issues”



anyone that hasn’t played it it’s a very underrated series

Oh btw.... underrated series?
Ghost Warrior was GARBAGE. At least the first one. But I guess every turd has it's fans
 
Come on mate. That's old technology. Even tho has the same principle but is just your nostalgia talking
Is like me saying ray tracing isnt nothing new because cerny had a game with ray tracing in the 80s
No nostalgia. Counter strike nearly perfectly places audio cues. I have about 5k hours in CS and about 1k in CS source. People are only taking about good audio now because Sony is pushing it.
I'm not saying Tempest is bad or worse. I'm just saying as of right now it's not better. Maybe there will be a ps5 game that just blows everything away audio wise, but currently that doesn't exist.
 

GuinGuin

Banned
Has to be a joke post, no one would say this in there right mind! Sony didn't even give you the option of purchasing Atmos on your headsets. Superior sound I call BS, more like too cheap to include the best standard (and superior brand) on the market. Where's your answer for Dobly Vision?

Dolby and their proprietary formats are trash. All they have accomplished in their 40ish year history of pushing them is to increase the prices of electronics and entertainment. HDR doesn't require Dolby to function properly.
 

Chukhopops

Member
I'd say the percentage of people with Dolby Atmos surround set ups are about 1/100th of the people who have headphones. I'll let it slide though, I get you gotta flaunt whatever miniscule one-ups you can scrounge up when you don't have any games.
Ah yes the classic « only 1% of people have this technology » argument that is already used for VRR, 120Hz support, Dolby Vision, etc... you sure see it a lot those days. It’s true though: the worse your setup is, the lower the difference between modern tech and ancient tech will appear.

Too bad you can also use a headphone on an SX and get the same virtual surround, plus you can choose which codec to use and sync it with both your phone and your console to listen to music while you play.
 
Guy strikes me as an angry fanboy. Doesn't seem worth engaging, tbh.

I owned a PS3 and I've experienced some really bad multiplats due to developers struggling with the CELL. And even then the PS3 had a weird ram setup that gave it plenty of other issues.

I honestly don't see an indication of that repeating again. The PS5 is a heck of a lot easier to make games for than the PS3. Why these few developers are having issues? I have no idea.

If I were to guess something it's probably due to a really bad issue with improvements over BC. With native versions I really haven't seen any developer complain. Only that it's even easier to make games for the system than before.

P.S I might be wrong with this game not being a native version though. I really don't know much about it.
 

rofif

Can’t Git Gud
Dolby and their proprietary formats are trash. All they have accomplished in their 40ish year history of pushing them is to increase the prices of electronics and entertainment. HDR doesn't require Dolby to function properly.
All this dolby stuff is especially bad since it's proprietary.
-Dolby vision? NOPE. You have to pay them and only run with special licensing and hardware. There is like no way to have dolby vision on pc. That's why it's not on ps5 because they have to pay dolby and make special efforts to support it.
The only place I am able to watch DV is on netflix app built into my tv and it's not worth it. Looks very close to HDR10.
-Dolby Atmos? I still have no idea how it works... My tv has a toggle for it, in windows you have to download and pay for some dolby atmoss app... then maybe enable it in windows, maybe in-game, maybe set to 7.1 maybe not?! Fuck em
 
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ManaByte

Member
Has to be a joke post, no one would say this in there right mind! Sony didn't even give you the option of purchasing Atmos on your headsets. Superior sound I call BS, more like too cheap to include the best standard (and superior brand) on the market. Where's your answer for Dobly Vision?

I'd pay $20 for Atmos for Headphones instantly if Sony offered it on the PS5.
 
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