I’m tending to agree with this. I think it’s gonna be 15-16 teraflops (maybe it’ll get to 18 teraflops) with around double the ray-tracing performance and double the SSD storage (like 1.6Gbs or so). Perhaps a little increase in CPU clock speeds as well. I will still aim to buy it but I don’t think it’s gonna be an insane leap over the PS5.
Its a mid-gen refresh. Its not supposed to be setting the world alight.
There's no way that its clocked the same with a PS5. So 54@2233mhz(PS5 current GPU clock) is 15.4TF. Now if we add a modest 10% clock boost to this, we get 54@2500mhz which gives us 17.1TF. And bear in mind, PS4pro doubled CU count vs the PS4 and still managed a 15% GPU clock boost.
Those numbers make absolute zero sense, you probably have no idea what you're talking about.
Let's not fall into the trap of AMD's marketing here.
I can get into how this thing would probably not draw anything more than 260W and all that. But nah.
15-18 as I have mentioned before
Who thinks its gonna be 23?
I don’t have much idea of what I’m talking about apart from some of the things said in this thread and perhaps some other threads. But the power increase that I mentioned has been supported by HeisenbergFX4 so it isn’t without basis.
Yes I mentioned that maybe it will be up to 18 teraflops, to account for things like clock speed increases. But I like to keep my expectations low until there is confirmation of these things. I would need to see evidence of the dual issue computing translating into regular improvements across many games before I get too excited about that feature. Ray-tracing should be nicely improved like you said. I’m looking forward to the machine and will buy it but I just want to be sensible with my expectations.
As for the dual issue thing? Here you go.
Ok thank you. Sorry for being rude and defensive. I’ll trust you regarding the dual issue thing and change my prediction to probably around 18 teraflops with the potential to exceed that if utilised correctly. I think you’re right that there’s a high likelihood that the gpu will also get a clock speed increase. So my initial prediction of 15-16tf is probably too low. And probably better than 2x ray tracing performance. It should be a nice machine.
idiots never learnWe are supposedly getting a pro console with dedicated HW for RT traversal and AI upscaling and all this thread wants to talk about is "how many teraflops?" SMH.
I bet the Xbox Series Ultra X or whatever silly name Microsoft comes up with, will have more teraflops but will not be more powerful than the PS 5 Pro
That would be good. I wonder if they’ll have some dedicated AI upscaling hardware built into it? But regardless, it should be a nice machine and I’ll be buying it. I’m glad it’s happening (assuming the leaks are true which I think they are).
idiots never learn
You think they will leave the tag line 'Most Powerful Console' to Sony?
Didn't you hear, MS released its pro console in 2020 along with the Series S.
I honestly have my doubts here. Unless something drastic happens between RDNA3 and RDNA3+ that the PS5pro would be based on.
If I remember correctly, there's dedicated hardware,it just it shares resources with the shaders instead of being a stand alone unit.
So is this basically PS5 Pro?
I won't hold my breath. And technically, it can launch whenever they want it to launch. But AMD hasn't even got FSR2 right yet, and that shit is supposed to be easier to do than frame generation. I just don't know, For Nvidia to pull off FG, they are using AI (tensor cores) for reconstruction, using an image accelerator on top of that for part of the FG, and using AI for the rest of it. In addition to having reflex.
The rumours are coming because people are being sold the need of Pro consoles, they are sold the promise to double the framerate and/or resolution of their current games and then people are making back of the envelope math and taking diminishing returns / non linear scaling in mind and putting specs forward that do not rely on major architectural improvements to achieve what they think is needed to deliver for the “you just buy a Pro console, cannot wait for PS6, consume more HW more often!” message.
PSVR2 games will have more to gain from a pro console than flat screen ones, at least when it comes to noticeable visual diminishing returns.
You think they will leave the tag line 'Most Powerful Console' to Sony?
Given that PSVR2 is going to be a colossal failure if a Pro is centered around that then it's huge mistake IMO. A Pro model should be delivering around 3 or 4 times the capability of the base model. Those specs are not near that, this is just rumours nothing more, hopefully anyway.
It should be clear by now that at similar prices and box sizes as we have now 3-4x performance jumps after 3-4 years are just not feasible unless the base point was just botched in execution badly. If you make the box expensive and big enough to deliver such a jump, what do you do with PS6? Do you have PS6 slower than PS5 Pro?
The PS5 is about 3x more powerful so, well, yes… at least GPU metrics wise. Not sure what the point is though, for titles designed around the XSS sure, but again bruteforcing their way through pushing smaller and smaller and less and less noticeable improvements to IQ (those built around XSS titles should get 60 FPS on PS5 already).
Now ask yourself, do you see PS6 reaching 36-40 TFLOPS in 2028? Mmmh…
… yup… and until a really big breakthrough comes out of left field, this is going to be more and more accurate as times goes on.
It's impossible to center it around that... It's just an inevitable consequence from the increase in power. PSVR2 will get more noticeable benefits than flat screen games because of the diffence of resolution between images per eye vs the single high res image of flat-screen. Diminishing returns come earlier to the higher res image (and if the cpu boost allows for more native 120hz VR games, it's also a massive improvement over the normal ps5).
PS5 PRO is coming out, most probably, in Nov 2024, 4 years after the Base Model, so yes, it can be a 23.5 TF machine, I wouldn't be surprised. My bet is always the same, 72 RDNA3 CUs clocked at 2.5 GHz Variable, 2X Hardware Ray Tracing acceleration, and this would be what needed for a real 2X the performance and better Ray Tracing. People can laugh how much they want, I will quote them once the final specs will be announced.