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I've still got odds on some semblance of 3d vcache, even if it's a smaller amount. Would help offset some of the performance delta of 2 vs 3/4

It'd be easier/smaller to just implement Zen 4. I'm actually pretty surprised they wouldn't use Zen 4 since the core size is small.

That 500 Mhz increase on PS4 Pro was a 40% increase in frequency. 4 Ghz on PS5 Pro would only be 15%. That's why Zen 4 should have been needed to get the IPC gain on top of a frequency gain.

 

[Mibu no ookami]

Not to defend Microsoft, as I feel like you in a lot of ways, but there is a reason to their actions, and each of your complaints can be explained to favor their plan if you accept a few caveats. One of the most interesting parts of the video from Laura Fryer was the praises that she had about some of the process that exist at Microsoft. And of the competent people that she was working with. There is a reason that we are talking more in Neogaf about mismanagement than incompetence at Xbox. I believe like you that T2 is more valuable than Activision for Xbox. But in my opinion Activision was the one that wanted to sell so from Microsoft POV why not take it? They simply failed to buy them the right way.
For me Xbox problems are in part due to them privileging to much the US and short term thinking. During the Xbox One not putting their games on PC would have made them a lot less relevant and Gamepass without PC would have never be a viable strategy IMHO. So once they are doing day one releases on PC the harm to the console side is already done better get the good parts with it. Stopping that now would be a huge blow to their brand so in short term thinking they need to continue that way no matter what. Gamepass and the Series S/X strategy are together and without it both would suffer a lot. Fondamentally there is problems no matter what. They choose one strategy and we can talk a lot about the theory. But in reality they failed to accomplish their objectives and now we can all see that the next few years will be hard for them. But for them to get out of the market will need a new CEO IMHO. And as Satya Nadella is really successful he will not go away for a long time.

The same was true of Sega too.

You look at the Saturn and they rushed it to market to try and get ahead of the PlayStation, which made sense, but still wasn't a great idea, nor was it executed well.

So what did they do? They rushed the Dreamcast to market because the Saturn was flailing. Again, you could make a logical argument as to why they should have moved on from the Saturn when they did, but ultimately they didn't create enough time to develop enough major titles for it or bring enough third-party support along.

Microsoft's moves have some logic behind them, but they still aren't good decisions or well-executed decisions. They've worked backward from a conclusion and convinced themselves their model will get them to that conclusion. That's somewhat logical, the problem is the model doesn't take into account present-day factors. It's built in a bubble where B2P doesn't exist and where PlayStation doesn't exist.

There is no GamePass without Xbox, and there is no Xbox if there aren't exclusive system sellers. They want to fast track GamePass MAU, but they're doing it in a way that reduces the Xbox brand and that brand is ultimately the most important thing to the success of GamePass. They've trapped themselves. And we're not going to see these high-cost system sellers, because they blow up the operating costs of GamePass and they don't pull in the revenue in B2P sales... because they're on GamePass and people don't have to buy them.

It's a nasty trap.

 

[Fafalada]

Wait do you mean the game could have specific bugs only on Pro even with "Pro native support"?

Why wouldn't it? Having native support only increases the probability of configuration specific bugs - just like cross-gen games with PS5/XSX.

 

[Daneel Elijah]

The same was true of Sega too.

You look at the Saturn and they rushed it to market to try and get ahead of the PlayStation, which made sense, but still wasn't a great idea, nor was it executed well.

So what did they do? They rushed the Dreamcast to market because the Saturn was flailing. Again, you could make a logical argument as to why they should have moved on from the Saturn when they did, but ultimately they didn't create enough time to develop enough major titles for it or bring enough third-party support along.

Microsoft's moves have some logic behind them, but they still aren't good decisions or well-executed decisions. They've worked backward from a conclusion and convinced themselves their model will get them to that conclusion. That's somewhat logical, the problem is the model doesn't take into account present-day factors. It's built in a bubble where B2P doesn't exist and where PlayStation doesn't exist.

There is no GamePass without Xbox, and there is no Xbox if there aren't exclusive system sellers. They want to fast track GamePass MAU, but they're doing it in a way that reduces the Xbox brand and that brand is ultimately the most important thing to the success of GamePass. They've trapped themselves. And we're not going to see these high-cost system sellers, because they blow up the operating costs of GamePass and they don't pull in the revenue in B2P sales... because they're on GamePass and people don't have to buy them.

It's a nasty trap.

This is why I said that I feel like you in a lot of ways. I 100% agree with you. Short term thinking put them in a really hard place right now. Only Microsoft money make me think that we can't compare them to Sega. This and the fact that I loved Sega but can't feel the same for Xbox. It will be fascinating to see how they will pull themselves out of it. For me the trap is made worse by the fact that they really are loosing a lot of money in all parts of the equation: in hardware, in Gamepass deals, in first party studios too as their games are put in Gamepass regardless of if it is a good idea or not. This is why the PS5 Pro reception and Xbox response to it will be capital. I really hope that Sony make a good console to put as much pressure on Xbox as possible. Or they will just buy their way to success like they are doing with Activision.

 

[SABRE220]

I've still got odds on some semblance of 3d vcache, even if it's a smaller amount. Would help offset some of the performance delta of 2 vs 3/4

That begs the question why wouldnt they just go with zen4 instead...the die is very mature, small,power efficient and probably cheaper than adding 3d cache to zen2.

 

[Sethbacca]

That begs the question why wouldnt they just go with zen4 instead...the die is very mature, small,power efficient and probably cheaper than adding 3d cache to zen2.

I mean I'm just pulling it out of my ass, but I'm going to assume it's just compatibility issues or something. I realistically have no clue. I'm just speculating how they could make up some of the performance difference.

 

[HeisenbergFX4]

I mean I'm just pulling it out of my ass, but I'm going to assume it's just compatibility issues

Exactly what SOME have said

 

[Mibu no ookami]

This is why I said that I feel like you in a lot of ways. I 100% agree with you. Short term thinking put them in a really hard place right now. Only Microsoft money make me think that we can't compare them to Sega. This and the fact that I loved Sega but can't feel the same for Xbox. It will be fascinating to see how they will pull themselves out of it. For me the trap is made worse by the fact that they really are loosing a lot of money in all parts of the equation: in hardware, in Gamepass deals, in first party studios too as their games are put in Gamepass regardless of if it is a good idea or not. This is why the PS5 Pro reception and Xbox response to it will be capital. I really hope that Sony make a good console to put as much pressure on Xbox as possible. Or they will just buy their way to success like they are doing with Activision.

Microsoft's money isn't endless and they do want ROI.

They bought Skype over a decade ago and have essentially shut shuttered the program, at least at an enterprise level. They bought Nokia and sold them within 2 years.

I think people have a misunderstanding that because this is a 70 billion dollar purchase they confirmed some level of long term commitment to gaming or even ABK. It doesn't. They want to leverage ABK for their long-term plans and if they fail, they'll sell them off either wholesale or piece meal.

Microsoft bought nokia for 7.2 billion dollars but sold them for 350 million 2 years later...

 

[SABRE220]

Exactly what SOME have said

Zen2 and 4 are extremely similar I don't really see a reason for it being a hurdle for backward compatibility.

 

[HeisenbergFX4]

Zen2 and 4 are extremely similar I don't really see a reason for it being a hurdle for backward compatibility.

Way above my pay grade but it’s what some of the talk has been

 

[Zuzu]

DF’s latest podcast video. Starting at about 15mins Alex says that he thinks PS5 Pro will be more expensive than PS4 Pro. Further on at a little past 19min 30sec Richard speculates that it will be $599.

 

[Rocco Schiavone]

DF’s latest podcast video. Starting at about 15mins Alex says that he thinks PS5 Pro will be more expensive than PS4 Pro. Further on at a little past 19min 30sec Richard speculates that it will be $599.

No Shit. Bugaga must be a complete genius to forecast that the PS5 Pro will be more expensive than the PS4 pro.

 

[ChiefDada]

Can someone explain to me why DF thinks PS5 Pro strategy will be the same as the PS4 Pro strategy of simple doubling of GPU performance when Tom Henderson explicitly states that accelerated RT is a key design element for PS5 Pro? Isn't RT the bleeding edge tech that DF gawks over on a near daily basis? So where is the lack of interest coming from? I've never seen such blatant hypocrisy from them.

 

[TheRedRiders]

Can someone explain to me why DF thinks PS5 Pro strategy will be the same as the PS4 Pro strategy of simple doubling of GPU performance when Tom Henderson explicitly states that accelerated RT is a key design element for PS5 Pro? Isn't RT the bleeding edge tech that DF gawks over on a near daily basis? So where is the lack of interest coming from? I've never seen such blatant hypocrisy from them.

I think a lot of Gaf are in agreement (surprisingly) with how shit DF are when it comes to these kind of takes. They're no longer a serious authority on these kind of subjects and they've proven it time and time again, they should just stick to their 400x zoom analyses.

 

[shamoomoo]

Can someone explain to me why DF thinks PS5 Pro strategy will be the same as the PS4 Pro strategy of simple doubling of GPU performance when Tom Henderson explicitly states that accelerated RT is a key design element for PS5 Pro? Isn't RT the bleeding edge tech that DF gawks over on a near daily basis? So where is the lack of interest coming from? I've never seen such blatant hypocrisy from them.

Link? Also,if the pro is just a stopgap and Sony will justify it existence as the ultimate PlayStation for now,how is ray tracing going to excite people if there isn't much software using it in the first place?

Sony would have to be like Nvidia if they want ray tracing to thrive on the pro. I personally think the pitch for the pro will like an enhanced PS5 with possibly upscaling and higher fps being its selling point than RT.

 

[TheRedRiders]

Link? Also,if the pro is just a stopgap and Sony will justify it existence as the ultimate PlayStation for now,how is ray tracing going to excite people if there isn't much software using it in the first place?

Sony would have to be like Nvidia if they want ray tracing to thrive on the pro. I personally think the pitch for the pro will like an enhanced PS5 with possibly upscaling and higher fps being its selling point than RT.

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"As for the consoles performance targets and as to be expected, the PlayStation 5 Pro will be targeting improved and consistent FPS at 4K resolution, a new ‘performance mode’ for 8K resolution, and accelerated ray tracing."

Playstaion won't need to do much to convince people about RT, Nvidia have already been doing that since the 20 Series launched and RT on that was dog shit.

 

[ChiefDada]

Link? Also,if the pro is just a stopgap and Sony will justify it existence as the ultimate PlayStation for now,how is ray tracing going to excite people if there isn't much software using it in the first place?

Sony would have to be like Nvidia if they want ray tracing to thrive on the pro. I personally think the pitch for the pro will like an enhanced PS5 with possibly upscaling and higher fps being its selling point than RT.

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As for the consoles performance targets and as to be expected, the PlayStation 5 Pro will be targeting improved and consistent FPS at 4K resolution, a new ‘performance mode’ for 8K resolution, and accelerated ray tracing.

I don't think any of the traditional 3rd person blockbusters from PlayStation Studios will ship without some form of RT in 2024 and beyond. Just my prediction.

 

[Horseganador]

Looking at the price of the current PS5 "slim" it is clear that PS5 pro will be $599, if the hardware is worth it... it will be gladly paid.

 

[Zuzu]

Can someone explain to me why DF thinks PS5 Pro strategy will be the same as the PS4 Pro strategy of simple doubling of GPU performance when Tom Henderson explicitly states that accelerated RT is a key design element for PS5 Pro? Isn't RT the bleeding edge tech that DF gawks over on a near daily basis? So where is the lack of interest coming from? I've never seen such blatant hypocrisy from them.

I don’t understand why they’re so down on the Pro in general. At the 19min 57sec mark Alex appears to say “No” off camera in response to Richard saying that Sony are going to replay the PS4 Pro playbook (i.e. the PS5 Pro will essentially repeat the formula of the PS4 Pro). Even if this is true (which as you have pointed out will not be true according to the rumours - it will be pushing ray tracing as well) what’s the big bad thing about them doing this? If I heard him right, why is Alex crying “No”? Shouldn’t he be excited that new technology is being released that will allow more gamers to experience higher end visuals? Who knows, the PS5 Pro may even give us some glimpses into technology that will be in the PS6 (albeit in a less advanced form than the tech that will end up being a part of PS6). Surely that would interest them, even at a purely academic level?

 

[HeisenbergFX4]

Can someone explain to me why DF thinks PS5 Pro strategy will be the same as the PS4 Pro strategy of simple doubling of GPU performance when Tom Henderson explicitly states that accelerated RT is a key design element for PS5 Pro? Isn't RT the bleeding edge tech that DF gawks over on a near daily basis? So where is the lack of interest coming from? I've never seen such blatant hypocrisy from them.

I don’t understand why they’re so down on the Pro in general. At the 19min 57sec mark Alex appears to say “No” off camera in response to Richard saying that Sony are going to replay the PS4 Pro playbook (i.e. the PS5 Pro will essentially repeat the formula of the PS4 Pro). Even if this is true (which as you have pointed out will not be true according to the rumours - it will be pushing ray tracing as well) what’s the big bad thing about them doing this? If I heard him right, why is Alex crying “No”? Shouldn’t he be excited that new technology is being released that will allow more gamers to see higher end visuals? Who knows, the PS5 Pro may even give us some glimpses into technology that will be in the PS6 (albeit in a less advanced form than the tech that will end up being a part of PS6). Surely that would interest them, even at a purely academic level?

Honestly it begs the question how they would respond if it were Xbox looking to be the only one that may have a Pro in their lineup, would they feel the same way?

 

[Physiognomonics]

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I don't think any of the traditional 3rd person blockbusters from PlayStation Studios will ship without some form of RT in 2024 and beyond. Just my prediction.

and accelerated ray tracing

This is where DF attitude shows their true PCMR colors. They have almost never talked about that. Only once Richard quoted it but very quickly dismissed it like if it clearly woulnd't happen in their book. But then they have being talking lengthly about 8K and didn't see the point because of the lack of 8K TVs.

But I mean shouldn't they be excited about new AMD RT hardware? Shouldn't they talk only about that when talking about the PS5 Pro? Even after Cerny presentation they were predicting the PS5 would actually not have RT hardware (RT for audio LOL) and certainly not in the games but then they were very surprised with Ratchet. Shouldn't they think Sony know what they are doing, particularly when there is a Cerny patent about accelerated RT? They are like kids threatened that their last toys (4090) could be beaten by the PS5 Pro. Pathetic.

 

[MisterXDTV]

Honestly it begs the question how they would respond if it were Xbox looking to be the only one that may have a Pro in their lineup, would they feel the same way?

Of course they wouldn't feel the same way, because MS would give them the chance to do the exclusive hardware reveal....

Sony won't....

 

[Rocco Schiavone]

P Physiognomonics
The PS5 Pro will be nowhere near 4090 performance.

Bugagas problem is that he knows that the PS5 pro will deliver a great bang for the buck product and that no PC config will match the performance at this price range.

 

[Zuzu]

Of course they wouldn't feel the same way, because MS would give them the chance to do the exclusive hardware reveal....

Sony won't....

I also wonder whether their negative attitude towards it is because they’re worried that it may lead to a decrease in views for their videos. Even though they say they’re not into the console wars, they would be aware that quite a few people watch their videos to see which console wins a particular matchup. But with the release of the Pro then the “war” will essentially end for this generation because the Pro should win every matchup quite easily against Microsoft’s consoles. With less interest in the comparison videos then less viewers and so less money.

 

[Facism]

Can someone explain to me why DF thinks PS5 Pro strategy will be the same as the PS4 Pro strategy of simple doubling of GPU performance when Tom Henderson explicitly states that accelerated RT is a key design element for PS5 Pro? Isn't RT the bleeding edge tech that DF gawks over on a near daily basis? So where is the lack of interest coming from? I've never seen such blatant hypocrisy from them.

I was going to say that i hate this trend of gormless facial expressions for youtube thumbs but forgot these guys are just like this.

 

[MikeM]

I just upgraded my PC. Give me a PS5 Pro so I can upgrade that too.

 

[AncientOrigin]

I don’t want the PS5 pro to be to powerful.The reason is if it is to powerful then the PS6 will not look so great anymore.So a max 20 TF pro is great even it it would be 16 it would still be good.It will not change your games dramatically.You get native 4K if the game were 60 frames already, better effects here and there and better Ray tracing that is all. Will not look to different to the base PS5.

 

[Zathalus]

Not sure what people expect DF to discuss? They usually only talk about things that have confirmed specs or highly promising leaks. Literally the only thing the PS5 Pro leak had about RT is that it would be better. How much better, or what exactly has changed is completely unknown. It's not as if there are any reliable leaks about RDNA4 either.

Anyway, it's pretty hard to get excited about AMD RT efforts when RDNA3 is still worse at it then a GPU that came out 5 years ago.

 

[skit_data]

Not sure what people expect DF to discuss? They usually only talk about things that have confirmed specs or highly promising leaks. Literally the only thing the PS5 Pro leak had about RT is that it would be better. How much better, or what exactly has changed is completely unknown. It's not as if there are any reliable leaks about RDNA4 either.

Anyway, it's pretty hard to get excited about AMD RT efforts when RDNA3 is still worse at it then a GPU that came out 5 years ago.

I don't really expect them to speculate on it since there's so little information but I also didn't really expect them to speculate on "what will the developers think?", "this is probably gonna be expensive, what will customers think of that?" etc.

I just find it a bit odd that out of the reliable info we actually seem to have per Tom Henderson there's really not much discussion on the tech at hand but moreso on some type of "feel" on the subject. Pretty odd for a channel built on the concept of constantly evolving graphics technology etc.

 

[HeisenbergFX4]

Not sure what people expect DF to discuss? They usually only talk about things that have confirmed specs or highly promising leaks. Literally the only thing the PS5 Pro leak had about RT is that it would be better. How much better, or what exactly has changed is completely unknown. It's not as if there are any reliable leaks about RDNA4 either.

Anyway, it's pretty hard to get excited about AMD RT efforts when RDNA3 is still worse at it then a GPU that came out 5 years ago.

Personally I don't expect them to discuss much until we get better leaks (which should start literally any day)

What I didn't expect from them was their very obvious disdain for PS5 Pro even saying at times they hate the idea

 

[Playboi Carti]

I don’t want the PS5 pro to be to powerful.The reason is if it is to powerful then the PS6 will not look so great anymore.So a max 20 TF pro is great even it it would be 16 it would still be good.It will not change your games dramatically.You get native 4K if the game were 60 frames already, better effects here and there and better Ray tracing that is all. Will not look to different to the base PS5.

 

[bitbydeath]

Was this posted?

 

[Panajev2001a]

Was this posted?

They are believable, this is built with the same idea PS4 Pro was.
Minimal effort to get 100% BC with base PS5 titles, a little bit more RAM freed to devs by adding a separate/increasing the size of an OS specific RAM pool, a modest clockspeed bump to the same CPU cores (helps with the BC point above), moderate bandwidth adjustment of the main GDDR6 memory pool not to completely starve the GPU, and a GPU that has a mix of the next generation and the next-next generation cores with something custom by Sony peppered in. I would hope for a small NPU / AI cores though for devs to start playing with things. Not sure who has been screaming for 2x Tempest Engine performance…

This might be why these specs are true or false… because they look exactly how a PS4 Pro designer would design PS5 Pro (same architecture team yes, but having not changed their mind on any single detail).

This is not a console design where devs would get massive boosts just by brute forcing their way through which IMHO will lead to few devs really taking advantage of what it has to offer (aside from a few of them, likely first party, depending on how much of a preview of possible PS6 features PS5 Pro could be maybe). So, dynamic 4K at 30 FPS becoming 4K@60 FPS… doubtful … we shall see.
These are the kind of specs I expected, if true, and reasons why I would have preferred Sony not to waste their time designing and selling it and launching a better PS6 a year or so earlier at least…

 

[Godot25]

Yeah. This specs sounds like 599$ for Digital Edition and 699$ for Disc Edition.

 

[Zuzu]

Yeah. This specs sounds like 599$ for Digital Edition and 699$ for Disc Edition.

I think they'll keep the price difference between a Pro Digital and a Pro Disc at $50 just like the difference between PS5 Base Digital and PS5 Base Disc. So that would make it $599 Pro Digital and $649 Pro Disc. I think it would be a safe bet that the Pro will be using the same disc drive add-on as the base consoles. I can't see Sony wanting to use a different type of disc drive for the Pro consoles because this would probably raise manufacturing costs. Therefore, for $80 extra I'd say that the Pro Digital will be able to be upgraded to having a disc drive by buying the same add-on that's available for the Base Digital.

 

[jroc74]

No Shit. Bugaga must be a complete genius to forecast that the PS5 Pro will be more expensive than the PS4 pro.

Exactly. Hell, the PS5 disc version was more than the PS4 Pro, the PS5 DE was the same price as the PS4 Pro.

MS were the weirdos that launched a $499 console last gen because of a $100 Kinect included in every box.

 

[Godot25]

I think they'll keep the price difference between a Pro Digital and a Pro Disc at $50 just like the difference between PS5 Base Digital and PS5 Base Disc. So that would make it $599 Pro Digital and $649 Pro Disc. I think it would be a safe bet that the Pro will be using the same disc drive add-on as the base consoles. I can't see Sony wanting to use a different type of disc drive for the Pro consoles because this would probably raise manufacturing costs. Therefore, for $80 extra I'd say that the Pro Digital will be able to be upgraded to having a disc drive by buying the same add-on that's available for the Base Digital.

Yeah. My bad. It's 100€ difference in Europe, so I foolishly thought that it is same for US...

 

[Sethbacca]

Therefore, for $80 extra I'd say that the Pro Digital will be able to be upgraded to having a disc drive by buying the same add-on that's available for the Base Digital.

Honestly would be kind of a genius move on their part that I hadn't even thought of. Good call.

 

[Zuzu]

Yeah. My bad. It's 100€ difference in Europe, so I foolishly thought that it is same for US...

Oh, no worries, that's understandable! (I'm not from the US either, but I often just use the US currency in my posts since it seems to be the most common currency that's used in conversations on this forum )

 

[nosoynadie22]

I would like the PS6 and PS6 Pro to be launched on the same day but without copying Microsoft's strategy with the Series S by making the base model a cheap $300 machine.

PS6: $400 ($480-$500 with disc drive) for regular people

PS6 Pro: $600 ($680-$700 with disc drive) for enthusiasts

 

[mckmas8808]

They are believable, this is built with the same idea PS4 Pro was.
Minimal effort to get 100% BC with base PS5 titles, a little bit more RAM freed to devs by adding a separate/increasing the size of an OS specific RAM pool, a modest clockspeed bump to the same CPU cores (helps with the BC point above), moderate bandwidth adjustment of the main GDDR6 memory pool not to completely starve the GPU, and a GPU that has a mix of the next generation and the next-next generation cores with something custom by Sony peppered in. I would hope for a small NPU / AI cores though for devs to start playing with things. Not sure who has been screaming for 2x Tempest Engine performance…

This might be why these specs are true or false… because they look exactly how a PS4 Pro designer would design PS5 Pro (same architecture team yes, but having not changed their mind on any single detail).

This is not a console design where devs would get massive boosts just by brute forcing their way through which IMHO will lead to few devs really taking advantage of what it has to offer (aside from a few of them, likely first party, depending on how much of a preview of possible PS6 features PS5 Pro could be maybe). So, dynamic 4K at 30 FPS becoming 4K@60 FPS… doubtful … we shall see.
These are the kind of specs I expected, if true, and reasons why I would have preferred Sony not to waste their time designing and selling it and launching a better PS6 a year or so earlier at least…

We don't need a PS6 earlier! NO!!!! I'd love dynamic 4K\60 with quality mode. Or dynamic 4K\30 with RT that's 80% close to CyberPunk 2077 on the 4080.

 

[HeisenbergFX4]

I would like the PS6 and PS6 Pro to be launched on the same day but without copying Microsoft's strategy with the Series S by making the base model a cheap $300 machine.

PS6: $400 ($480-$500 with disc drive) for regular people

PS6 Pro: $600 ($680-$700 with disc drive) for enthusiasts

This is what I would like to see even make the pro a $999 monster and lets not do a mid gen refresh

 

[mckmas8808]

I would like the PS6 and PS6 Pro to be launched on the same day but without copying Microsoft's strategy with the Series S by making the base model a cheap $300 machine.

PS6: $400 ($480-$500 with disc drive) for regular people

PS6 Pro: $600 ($680-$700 with disc drive) for enthusiasts

That'll be one of the worse moves for Sony in Playstation history!

 

[damidu]

I would like the PS6 and PS6 Pro to be launched on the same day but without copying Microsoft's strategy with the Series S by making the base model a cheap $300 machine.

PS6: $400 ($480-$500 with disc drive) for regular people

PS6 Pro: $600 ($680-$700 with disc drive) for enthusiasts

makes zero sense, theyll have much more bang for their buck and newer tech 4 years into gen, while doing the pro

 

[nosoynadie22]

This is what I would like to see even make the pro a $999 monster and lets not do a mid gen refresh

I don't think they can sell anything for more than $700, how many units could they sell that?

 

[welshrat]

makes zero sense, theyll have much more bang for their buck and newer tech 4 years into gen, while doing the pro

Totally agree and to be honest I don't mind this way of doing things as I recoup a lot of the outlay by selling my initial machine. I was very happy with the PS4 Pro (it was a huge step up when playing games like battlefield etc) and I imagine I will be even happier with the PS5 Pro

 

[MisterXDTV]

Yeah. This specs sounds like 599$ for Digital Edition and 699$ for Disc Edition.

You mean the specs made up by RedGaming?

 

[Panajev2001a]

We don't need a PS6 earlier! NO!!!! I'd love dynamic 4K\60 with quality mode. Or dynamic 4K\30 with RT that's 80% close to CyberPunk 2077 on the 4080.

Regardless of getting PS6 earlier or not, getting HW to release more often is not the solution and I think we will see it with PS5 Pro…

 

[sendit]

I would like the PS6 and PS6 Pro to be launched on the same day but without copying Microsoft's strategy with the Series S by making the base model a cheap $300 machine.

PS6: $400 ($480-$500 with disc drive) for regular people

PS6 Pro: $600 ($680-$700 with disc drive) for enthusiasts

This would have the same effect. The base model will ultimatly anchor the Pro model. Releasing two in tandem is the wrong choice IMO. People will wonder what could have been if the Pro was the base model on release.

 

[Kamina]

Tech people always coming up with these weird voodoo words.
WGP, RDNA,…
I can just keep up with FPS and GPU