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Rumor: PS5 Pro Codenamed "Trinity" targeting Late 2024 (some alleged specs leaked)

Would you upgrade from your current PS5?

  • For sure

    Votes: 377 41.0%
  • Probably

    Votes: 131 14.2%
  • Maybe

    Votes: 127 13.8%
  • Unlikely

    Votes: 140 15.2%
  • Not a chance

    Votes: 145 15.8%

  • Total voters
    920

mckmas8808

Mckmaster uses MasterCard to buy Slave drives
If the Xbox leak suggests anything is that Microsoft seriously gave a lot of thought to launching the new Series X without a disc drive with no spec boosts for the same price as the Series X is now. For many that is less value.

Sony coming in with a huge spec machine at the same price (unlikely I know) of the current PS5 with an optional disc drive would be a huge boon for them.

It would completely devalue Microsoft's consoles.

We all need to remember Sony is also in a better position to release a Pro, since they don't have a gimped console model at the moment.
 

welshrat

Member
Surprised they didn't at least go for zen 3 as that adds a fair IPC increase. I guess we will see and its day one for me regardless.
 
Well, those specs for a mid-gen console are awesome, the CPU was clear that it was going to be the same Zen2 at higher speed and perhaps with a little more cache memory, putting a modern Zen in it will already be on PS6 and those 60CUs at 2.5 -2.8 Ghz + more modern architecture is an important leap compared to the base PS5.
 

splattered

Member
Man if PS5 Pro is 21TF then Microsoft absolutely NEEDS to counter with a mid-gen refresh of their own.

I dont think they could take the increased beatings and last the rest of this generation without major brand damage.

Something like 15TF fine yes PS5 Pro is gonna win out 100% of performance comparisons for the rest of the gen but it wouldnt be enough of a difference in performance to make everyone jump to the other side of the fence. But 21TF would be HUGE.
 

Sethbacca

Member
Man if PS5 Pro is 21TF then Microsoft absolutely NEEDS to counter with a mid-gen refresh of their own.

I dont think they could take the increased beatings and last the rest of this generation without major brand damage.

Something like 15TF fine yes PS5 Pro is gonna win out 100% of performance comparisons for the rest of the gen but it wouldnt be enough of a difference in performance to make everyone jump to the other side of the fence. But 21TF would be HUGE.
They'd be better off moving to next gen early than throwing more good money after bad trying to compete in the current generation. The boat anchor that is the Series S is going to fuck them for the rest of the gen.
 
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onQ123

Member
I'm thinking 20tf
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RT monster with the upclock
 

onQ123

Member
Man if PS5 Pro is 21TF then Microsoft absolutely NEEDS to counter with a mid-gen refresh of their own.

I dont think they could take the increased beatings and last the rest of this generation without major brand damage.

Something like 15TF fine yes PS5 Pro is gonna win out 100% of performance comparisons for the rest of the gen but it wouldnt be enough of a difference in performance to make everyone jump to the other side of the fence. But 21TF would be HUGE.
A 15TF PS5 Pro would have done just as much damage to Xbox Series consoles but 21TF actually becomes a problem for the next Xbox console
 

splattered

Member
They'd be better off moving to next gen early than throwing more good money after bad trying to compete in the current generation. The boat anchor that is the Series S is going to fuck them for the rest of the gen.

Maybe? But then when would Sony release their full on next gen console and where would it fall power-wise against the Series X2? If Sony dominates the rest of this gen with a 21TF Pro PS5 model, then MS releases the Series X2 at whatever TF power possible at that time as their full next gen machine... but then 1-2 years later Sony drops the PS6 with 2-4+ TF more than the Series X2 with a bit more advanced tech then MS is just flat out screwed.

I appreciate that Microsoft tried to win over all the cheap asses with a lower priced system but they really should have just stuck with a single model. Maybe offer a cloud streaming only mobile version of the console as long as you dont have to run anything powerful on it natively?
 

Sethbacca

Member
A 15TF PS5 Pro would have done just as much damage to Xbox Series consoles but 21TF actually becomes a problem for the next Xbox console
You're not wrong, they'd necessarily need to go for a box that's more expensive just to create the separation from the current generation which is probably a nonstarter, or they'd have to go the Nintendo route and focus on quality software which most of us have lost faith in their ability to produce.
 

Sethbacca

Member
Maybe? But then when would Sony release their full on next gen console and where would it fall power-wise against the Series X2? If Sony dominates the rest of this gen with a 21TF Pro PS5 model, then MS releases the Series X2 at whatever TF power possible at that time as their full next gen machine... but then 1-2 years later Sony drops the PS6 with 2-4+ TF more than the Series X2 with a bit more advanced tech then MS is just flat out screwed.

I appreciate that Microsoft tried to win over all the cheap asses with a lower priced system but they really should have just stuck with a single model. Maybe offer a cloud streaming only mobile version of the console as long as you dont have to run anything powerful on it natively?
If MS went with a system specc'ed similarly to the rumored PS5 pro as the single sku for a new generation they'd at least give themselves a new non Series S baseline to work with. This would also allow their first parties to create with a 21TF(ish) baseline vs the PS5/PRO which would still be using the 10TF(ish) baseline for it's games and put some pressure on Sony. This would of course require their devs to actually produce games though so it's doubtful it would work.....
 
Man if PS5 Pro is 21TF then Microsoft absolutely NEEDS to counter with a mid-gen refresh of their own.

I dont think they could take the increased beatings and last the rest of this generation without major brand damage.

Something like 15TF fine yes PS5 Pro is gonna win out 100% of performance comparisons for the rest of the gen but it wouldnt be enough of a difference in performance to make everyone jump to the other side of the fence. But 21TF would be HUGE.
We got a whole thread about this what if. At the end of the day the games are what matters. If a GTA 6 is best played on the PS5 Pro, it will hurt Xbox in my opinion. If Fifa, COD, and others games work marketing deals with Sony like Hogwarts legacy did it will really hurt Xbox too. As for what Xbox can do... Hard situation for them no matter what IMHO.
They'd be better off moving to next gen early than throwing more good money after bad trying to compete in the current generation. The boat anchor that is the Series S is going to fuck them for the rest of the gen.
The problem with that choice is that they can't decide when a generation ends and when a new one begins. And they would need to find a way to make Gamepass users that are still mostly on the Series S and X happy. And being too soon would mean allowing Sony and Nintendo time to do whatever they want. There is not that many options for them IMHO:
Continue the generation and have a Pro like Sony, or a better one one year later like they did with the One X. They have said publicly that they are not planning that for the moment. And it will not save them as having 3 consoles will make their marketing harder.
Do nothing. Have a Slim version and wait for next gen. Even worse in my opinion.
Go next gen early. But it would mean doing nothing at first AND risk being the Dreamcast of next gen. Can work, but with tech being slower to evolve I can't see them investing enough to stay competitive with a PS6 that have 2 or more years to launch.
 

chilichote

Member
Considering how long games have been around that are still being developed for the previous generation, a PS5 Pro with 15+ TF and a focus on ray tracing will certainly be able to keep up with a new Xbox generation for a while. The difference between some games from the PS4/XOne and PS5/XSeries is sometimes difficult to tell these days^^
 

Sethbacca

Member
We got a whole thread about this what if. At the end of the day the games are what matters. If a GTA 6 is best played on the PS5 Pro, it will hurt Xbox in my opinion. If Fifa, COD, and others games work marketing deals with Sony like Hogwarts legacy did it will really hurt Xbox too. As for what Xbox can do... Hard situation for them no matter what IMHO.

The problem with that choice is that they can't decide when a generation ends and when a new one begins. And they would need to find a way to make Gamepass users that are still mostly on the Series S and X happy. And being too soon would mean allowing Sony and Nintendo time to do whatever they want. There is not that many options for them IMHO:
Continue the generation and have a Pro like Sony, or a better one one year later like they did with the One X. They have said publicly that they are not planning that for the moment. And it will not save them as having 3 consoles will make their marketing harder.
Do nothing. Have a Slim version and wait for next gen. Even worse in my opinion.
Go next gen early. But it would mean doing nothing at first AND risk being the Dreamcast of next gen. Can work, but with tech being slower to evolve I can't see them investing enough to stay competitive with a PS6 that have 2 or more years to launch.
Yeah, no disagreement on my part at all. I'm just spitballing. Nobody wants to give me tens of millions to run their corp sadly.
 

SABRE220

Member
I'm fine with them passing on major CPU uplift in favor of beefier GPU with accelerated ray traversal. We have to remember PS5 Pro is still designed to be Gen 9 console and major CPU upgrade will fall outside of those parameters I think. Also I'm the last person to call developers lazy, but there is something to be said about unoptimized engines and efficient CPU multithreading. Back to the GPU - Anyone think it possible for PS5 Pro to get ~4080 level with RT workloads for Sony first party games? I think so.




CPU is responsible for BVH construction
There is no way it hits 4080 levels . Amd's current flagship which is a huge die trades blows with a 4080 in raster and gets destroyed in rt, I have little confidence in amd improving their architecture so much that a 7800xt equivalent die provides that performance threshold. Not to mention amd is so damn far behind in rt tech that it would honestly be surprising that they even match the 3xxx gen in ml and rt. If the ps5pro even matches a 3080ti that would be surprising considering the specs being bandied about, my dream is 3090 performance but yeah not likely.
 
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SABRE220

Member
Why would it?
RT is gpu intensive. When I enable everything possible RT in cyberpunk or control, it hammers more of my gpu, not cpu.

ps5 uses single die, so you are probably right in some way tho
CPU is needed for BVH construction, you can see digital foundries the spiderman remastered video to see the additional hit raytracing puts on the cpu.
 

splattered

Member
I dont want any of the big 3 to fail or do badly... i wish they ALL would plan their hardware better, with better games taking advantage of the hardware to follow. They all seem to fuck this up in one way or another. Nintendo is lucky they have been able to dominate on decades old IP and constant game recycling... imagine what they would be if they actually released a powerful machine again with full mature 3rd party game support. I know a big draw for some people is the mobility of the Switch, but its such a weak shitty machine and their games could be so much better with more power.
 
Man if PS5 Pro is 21TF then Microsoft absolutely NEEDS to counter with a mid-gen refresh of their own.

I dont think they could take the increased beatings and last the rest of this generation without major brand damage.

Something like 15TF fine yes PS5 Pro is gonna win out 100% of performance comparisons for the rest of the gen but it wouldnt be enough of a difference in performance to make everyone jump to the other side of the fence. But 21TF would be HUGE.

I disagree. Mainly because people are still underestimating the PS5 Pro's price. That alone will keep the Pro a niche device. I think there's a lot of people out there who think it will be $499 with the drive.

I have to say that if the CPU isn't upgraded from Zen 2, that is a problem. Zen 4 cores are not that big.
 

Zuzu

Member
I'm not too unhappy with Zen 2 because all I really want from a PS5 Pro is for games that are running at 30fps in quality mode on PS5 to run at 60fps with the equivalent quality mode settings. Usually quality mode on PS5 is GPU limited. But I'm also aware that there's numerous games that can't reach 60fps because they're CPU limited (like Gotham Knights - not that I care about that game). I just hope there won't be too many CPU limited games in the future that can't get to 60fps because of the Zen 2 🤞
 
I disagree. Mainly because people are still underestimating the PS5 Pro's price. That alone will keep the Pro a niche device. I think there's a lot of people out there who think it will be $499 with the drive.

I have to say that if the CPU isn't upgraded from Zen 2, that is a problem. Zen 4 cores are not that big.
The fact that the PS5 digital will have a price increase make it clear that the PS5 Pro will be costly. And yes only a small part of the userbase will be on it. But some of the most enthusiast, and big spenders will be. And as I said earlier if a Pro exist but has no response from Xbox, any games comparison will hurt them. How much will be left to discuss. The PS5 is already comfortably on top this gen. A PS5 Pro and a new console from Nintendo will see them hopefully get great sales. Xbox with nothing(if they do nothing) would hurt them in my opinion.
 
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splattered

Member
I disagree. Mainly because people are still underestimating the PS5 Pro's price. That alone will keep the Pro a niche device. I think there's a lot of people out there who think it will be $499 with the drive.

I have to say that if the CPU isn't upgraded from Zen 2, that is a problem. Zen 4 cores are not that big.

Hmm pricing is a good point, Sony is already raising pretty much everything about their current product line as-is.

That being said even if Sony somehow manages to put this on the shelf for 6-650 and actually demonstrate the visual benefits it would probably still sell like gangbusters.

Maybe that is the whole point of raising prices right now anyway... make the refresh thats around the corner look like a bargain in comparison?
 
He has info, he shares.
Dont want the info, dont watch him. Is that simple.
Some of you just love to hate.
Having wrong info is worse than having no info. I liked some of his videos, but I think that he is more of a PC leaker that got into talking about Playstation because it works. I like that some people put his videos here, and that some others people remind everyone that he is not a super accurate leaker. The rest is obvious hyperbole that we are accustomed too.
 

skit_data

Member
He has info, he shares.
Dont want the info, dont watch him. Is that simple.
Some of you just love to hate.
I used to watch him but I've concluded it essentially meaningless due to him hearing "conflicting reports" etc. Sometimes he seems to just relay info that doesn't seem credible either.
I'm sure he's on the money at times.

For example I really question the
"2x tempest engine performance"
In this latest leak because to me that sounds like a complete waste because its already more than good enough in PS5 and I don't see what 2x the performance could bring.
 
I'm not expecting the PS5 Pro to be 499, and anyone who is will likely be disappointed. I can see it easily going for 599 or more. This is an enthusiast piece of hardware and Sony knows it.

The following quote from Jim Ryan is true as it ever has been.

"Sometimes I think we can be guilty of ascribing too much rationality to gamers," Ryan explained. "People just want the best. Maybe they just want to future proof? I think we see the same thing from Apple customers too — there are people that want the best that you can buy."

 
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HeisenbergFX4

Gold Member
I'm not expect the PS5 Pro to be 499, and anyone who is will likely be disappointed. I can see it easily going for 599 or more. This is an enthusiast piece of hardware and Sony knows it.

The following quote from Jim Ryan is true as it ever has been.



I really want the Pro to be a high end piece of tech and charge a premium for it but afraid of where that might leave the PS6
 
Plus the Pro is not 72 CUs
Indeed. Pro is almost certainly going to have 60 activated CUs from a new 64CUs AMD GPU.

I used to watch him but I've concluded it essentially meaningless due to him hearing "conflicting reports" etc. Sometimes he seems to just relay info that doesn't seem credible either.
I'm sure he's on the money at times.

For example I really question the
"2x tempest engine performance"
In this latest leak because to me that sounds like a complete waste because its already more than good enough in PS5 and I don't see what 2x the performance could bring.
Tempest engine can be used by developers to do audio and other stuff. Devs can 100% saturate the SIMD because there is no cache and that can be very useful in some tasks. So yes 2x more tempest engine (meaning probably 2 custom CUs instead of one) could be helpful for first party developers like Insomniac.

But I don't believe anything coming from RGT. His sources are DMs from random people.
 
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I really want the Pro to be a high end piece of tech and charge a premium for it but afraid of where that might leave the PS6
Good point, as long as they're clear in their marketing that the PS5 Pro is a gen 9 enthusiast console they should be ok... it won't be the start of a new generation as was the case with PS5.

But we'll see how things unfold.
 

saintjules

Member
I really want the Pro to be a high end piece of tech and charge a premium for it but afraid of where that might leave the PS6

Well I assume this generation has been extended by a year or so because of the Pandemic, hence the slow start.

A PS5 Pro at the end of 2024. So that means by 2028/2029 will be 4-5 years before the next Console. That's another mid-generation length of time.

Surely from a tech/spec standpoint we should see an evolution of something in the next Console, no?
 
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noobie

Banned
I will be surprised if PS5 Pro is less than 17 TF.
The increase in Terraflops from PS4 to PS4 Pro was 125%. So i expect increase in PS5 to PS5 pro in terraflops to be atleast 70% plus.
I don't think that there is a reason/need for PS5 Pro if the jump is mere 50% or less.
 

Dream-Knife

Banned
Well, that's disappointing, to say the least..say goodbye to consistent 60fps modes in the latest demanding ue5 games and such. There is no way the pro hits 60fps in even Baldurs Gate 3 with zen2. The pro might have a tough time making a strong case for its purchase as it is, it's going to be a 3070/3070ti equivalent GPU with worse ml and RT with a very weak CPU by today's standards.
They're pushing for 8k, not frames.
PS5 is currently using a cut down Ryzen 3600, I have doubts about it's longevity throughout this gen, let alone on a Pro.

I hope I'm wrong though but looks like it's shaping up to be a higher clocked Zen 2.
It's not a cut down 3600. It's more like a 3700x with less cache and lower clocks.
Back to the GPU - Anyone think it possible for PS5 Pro to get ~4080 level with RT workloads for Sony first party games? I think so.
Not with AMD.
Man if PS5 Pro is 21TF then Microsoft absolutely NEEDS to counter with a mid-gen refresh of their own.

I dont think they could take the increased beatings and last the rest of this generation without major brand damage.

Something like 15TF fine yes PS5 Pro is gonna win out 100% of performance comparisons for the rest of the gen but it wouldnt be enough of a difference in performance to make everyone jump to the other side of the fence. But 21TF would be HUGE.

A 15TF PS5 Pro would have done just as much damage to Xbox Series consoles but 21TF actually becomes a problem for the next Xbox console
RDNA3 TFs are different from RDNA2.

35 RDNA3 tflops is the same as 16 RDNA2 tflops.

Extrapolate from there.
 
Yeah looks like I was wrong on price it's easily going to be $600 unless Sony reduce the base console price next year and slot the pro in at $500, I wonder if they'll tout 40+ TF with the weird RDNA 3 math
 
Yeah looks like I was wrong on price it's easily going to be $600 unless Sony reduce the base console price next year and slot the pro in at $500, I wonder if they'll tout 40+ TF with the weird RDNA 3 math
40 Teraflops with dual issue compute capabilities of RDNA 3, currently no games take advantage of this feature as far as I’m aware.

If Sony’s first parties manage to take advantage of this, it’s going to be a game changer. it’ll also be interesting to see what kind of implications this well have on desktop RDNA 3.

They’ll tout it if they can take advantage of it I think.
 
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Sethbacca

Member
Well I assume this generation has been extended by a year or so because of the Pandemic, hence the slow start.

A PS5 Pro at the end of 2024. So that means by 2028/2029 will be 4-5 years before the next Console. That's another mid-generation length of time.

Surely from a tech/spec standpoint we should see an evolution of something in the next Console, no?
It's looking like 5080/5090 will be well into the 100+ tflops range when released next year, so if you wanted a generational leap off a 20 tflop PS5 Pro console the real question is when 40-50 tflops becomes feasible economically. A couple more process shrinks, upgrades to ZEN/RDNA gens, and who knows, we could be looking at that for PS6. The whole sector is moving at a breakneck pace at this point thanks to everyone chasing AI supremacy.
 
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Loxus

Member
I honestly wanted a more beefed up Pro console, with more later hardware.

PS5 Pro is releasing in 2024.
AMD already have Phenix 2 in 2023 with Zen4c.
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And Phenix 1 with XDNA. Bottom left square.
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Then there is the up coming Strix Point.
Which would be great for the PS5 Pro with 60 RDNA3.5 CUs total, 54 active.
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Guess I just wanted a console with the latest tech this time around.
 
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