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Jeff Grubb: Hermen Hulst is now the man running Bungie, dev will lose it's autonomy
sloppyjoe_gamer
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Destiny 3 main character
LordCBH
Member
I mean it was either that or close.
This is what is going to happen down the line, but nothing suggests that it's being the case now.This is reductionist. It’s not as simple as an org chart
Sony will reportedly take over Bungie if it doesn't meet financial targets
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What's more likely is that Jeff Grubb was aware that they're now reporting to Hulst, and it's enough for him to gain some internet clout.
Ugh, he's gonna put more masculine white women in their games isn't he.
I... Think I'm out
Never forget that Stellar Blade was produced under his supervision.Destiny 3 main character
Bernardougf
Member
She’s missing a few pounds bro...Coming to Destiny soon.....
Punished Miku
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I'm sure he'd be an improvement over the current execs at Bungie. Creative choices aside, GG is obviously run well in terms of tech and output speed.
diffusionx
Gold Member
No, what Jeff Grubb said was totally clear.
If you read the article I posted, Bungie was an independent subsidiary. Which meant that Hulst was connected to them in a dotted line in the org chart but they had independence. By saying Hulst is running Bungie, he is saying that they are not independent anymore. Now, maybe Jeff is wrong, or lying, but what he is saying is implying that Bungie is in a different situation than what they were in before. And if Final Shape bombed, and it might have, that makes sense.
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Bernardougf
Member
It is a second party asian developed game .. I dont think the western branch crazies had much saying in the development choices in a studio they dont own, even more after the good reception of the trailers. I might be wrong though.
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Tiago Rodrigues
Member
If they weren't with Sony even more people would've been fired.
Some comments on this topic are weird.
If this Sony takeover is happening it's literally because Bungie themselves fucked up and keep missing their targets. It's all due to bad management (as even people that have worked there are mentioning on X)
People aren't getting fired BECAUSE of the acquisition.
Punished Miku
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Yeah, I think Bungie management is legendarily bad at the very top levels. Just this whole new studio thing is kind of hilarious. It's basically saying that some small group within Bungie has a cool idea for an action game. Best to make a whole new studio and get them out of there so it doesn't get fucked up.
Huh, yes.
Hermen Hulst oversees EVERY PlayStation Studios game, internally or externally developed, worldwide.
"western branch crazies"? Lol, Hermen Hulst is literally CEO of the Japanese SIE company, along with Hideaki Nishino.
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James Sawyer Ford
Member
I believe it was based on profitability
Hence, the layoffs (higher profit)
And also hence the Sony power play to take direct oversight over a certain portion of the studio (didn’t meet profit goals).
Not a full scale takeover, but one that still puts pressure on Bungie leadership
Magic Carpet
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That sound is the cracking of whips in the new Call of Duty (gaas) mines.
James Sawyer Ford
Member
You think it would have been better otherwise?
The studio may have needed to completely fold or have far more severe layoffs
James Sawyer Ford
Member
Could also just be recognition that Bungie doesn’t have enough resources to manage the project, especially after laying off hundreds of people
Handling Destiny and Marathon itself is hard enough I’d imagine.
What’s strange is I guess this new studio will be in the same building as Bungie? And SIE employees relocating
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poppabk
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Gambit2483
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Meanwhile at Naughty Dog
IntentionalPun
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They have it had their own board of directors and company charter separate from SIE.
Sony had nobody on the board.
From what we are hearing, the board is likely now dissolved, and Sony is in full control.
IntentionalPun
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I think it’s full control, unless all they did was put some Sony folks on their board of directors.
That’d he the only way to do partial “control.” But according to Grubb if the CEO is taking over, then the board of directors is likely dissolved.
Doesn’t mean like any studio that Bungie leadership can’t or won’t make decisions, it means SIE xan come in and override any decision.
They couldn’t do that before
James Sawyer Ford
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What I mean by partial control is Bungie being forced to hand over teams to SIE for the new project
But the Destiny and Marathon teams are still managed by Bungie leadership
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Schmendrick
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blastprocessor
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He knows how to run a game company; he will cut the fat and make it a lean and mean team.
BennyBlanco
aka IMurRIVAL69
CEOs are hilarious. “Hey kid, come check out my new Maserati. Cool, right? Btw you’re fired
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Nydius
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I hope this is sarcasm. Bungie has ruined themselves. Their “leadership” has been a complete mess for damn near a decade. Everyone was quick to blame Activision for the state of Destiny but we quickly learned after Bungie went independent that the problem was within Bungie, not Activision.
They completely foundered as an independent studio to the point where they NEEDED someone to step in and keep them afloat. Yet their leaders continued to mismanage the studio into the ground.
IntentionalPun
Ask me about my wife's perfect butthole
Totally get what you are saying. That’s the same thing I was saying above, just don’t think the word “control” descries those leaders new scenario.
But managing something isn’t the same as controlling it. Being a leader is different than being part of an independent board of directors.
AltogetherAndrews
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I don’t like to quote Twitter stuff, but IF that’s true then that’s classic psychopath behaviour. I had a business partner who was pretty much exactly like that, nasty stuff.
Topher
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CEOs are hilarious. “Hey kid, come check out my new Maserati. Cool, right? Btw you’re fired
geez....what a dick
Reaseru
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diffusionx
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CEOs are hilarious. “Hey kid, come check out my new Maserati. Cool, right? Btw you’re fired
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Punished Miku
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Killjoy-NL
Member
Bungie fucked up Destiny 1 by rebooting the entire game a month before the original release date, pushing the final release date a year out.
Then they did pretty much the same again with Destiny 2, when they rebooted the entire development a year before D2 released.
Then there's all the fuck ups with D2, where they even managed to take away half the game from the consumers.
Bungie can only go up with this move.
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clarky
Gold Member
I think the same thing happened with Halo CE and 2 as well. But they turned out top tier.
IMO the only way is down, without any of the OG staff running the show, its just another studio.
Loomy
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There are doubts that Bungie would still exist today if they hadn't sold to someone.
These problems didn't start after Sony acquired them. Read the actual post. They spread themselves way too thin. This had been evident with quality issues in Destiny 2 for a while now, but we had no idea it was because they were working on 2 new games until Marathon and this other game were revealed.
Piggoro
Member
That's a loooooong game of 4D chess.
Killjoy-NL
Member
Dunno, they are capable enough, leadership is just trash. I think what they need is for Sony to give them a clear direction for their projects. That seems to be the biggest issue with Bungie.
And no idea about Bungie pre-Destiny, so can't comment on that.
ShaiKhulud1989
Gold Member
I'm OK with Hulst.
Parsons is a dick and needs to go.
Parsons is a dick and needs to go.
Loomy
Thinks Microaggressions are Real
Yeah, that's the thing. They're top tier when it comes to technical and creative output. They were clearly overstretched. We've known that since D2 launched. We just didn't know why at the time.