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[WellSheet]

As a non-religious person with no biblical dog in the fight, it would be refreshing for once to see a “mainstream” creative actually tackle religion and its themes from the perspective(s) of it being/doing/providing GOOD MORALS; VALUES etc. obviously we know the many perversions of “it” throughout history, but the tired modern trope of “religion is actually just evil and bad and poopies” is so cliche and expected….heres hoping (with no real expectation) to get something different

 

[Seomel]

Man I love tlou2, it really sucks how that one fucker leaked all the important stuff just before release. It also reminded me how desensitized people are to more mature(?) games. Sure its not perfect, but killing of main characters its not big thing, but some people acted out like its end of world, when shit caught up with Joel

 

[kikkis]

I think Druckmann is going hard against judaism and islam and praise christian virtues.

 

[David Ricardo]

So the game deviates 2.000 years from the eighties, and we still got a bald headed masculine lesbian interracial protagonist. Guess, in Druckmann´s mind, wokeness is inevitable.

 

[Guilty_AI]

I have zero confidence he'd handle religious themes well. As others already pointed out it'll probably be something along the lines of "christianism bad", and knowing he's jewish there's a high chance this prophet will be an allusion to jesus who's also bad or false.

I'm not religious but i like these kinds of themes, unfortunately this is so predictable it's hardly fun to even speculate.

 

[Gameplay Gods Bless]

Thats Alex Garland, sir. Creator of Ex Machina, 28 Days Later and Civil War.

He can be as cunty as he wants

Ex machina is balling.

 

[ssringo]

"who gives a shit"

You probably want fans to "give a shit". I mean, unless losing money is the goal. Apathy doesn't sell.

 

[Killjoy-NL]

Moreso? You don't give them credit for producing the best societies? Was that just pure coincidence?

Are you talking about Christians or Muslims?
Btw, "best society" is subjective and relative.

Anyway, I'm out. I'll let the game do the talking and this thread alone already sold me on Intergalactic.

It's already started to rub people the wrong way and I'm looking forward to the shitstorm it's going to create.

 

[Physiognomonics]

So the game deviates 2.000 years from the eighties, and we still got a bald headed masculine lesbian interracial protagonist. Guess, in Druckmann´s mind, wokeness is inevitable.

Like if he had faith and be certain of the truthness of his new religion. So ironic.

 

[Eimran]

I think Druckmann is going hard against judaism and islam and praise christian virtues.

Druckmann.... Mann. You do know he's jewish right?

 

[Kilau]

Persecution-complex, imo.

Like I said, all religions are the same, this goes even moreso for the three Abrahmic religions.

 

[T-0800]

we all know it will attack Christians.

I'm a Christian. I'll be ok.

 

[Bartski]

Neil should ask the youtube Catholic gamer grifting crew for a cut of their 2026 ad revenue profits, though I'd love to see the game full of parallels to Koran, pissing Muslims off in equal measure. Just leave Hare Krishna out of it, they're already in deep shit and are forced to wear sandals.

 

[Saber]

They are incapable of articulating their creative vision, because they know well it won't stand up to even mild scrutiny. They don't even hide their agenda-filled malice anymore lol.
I personally don't go attacking these cunts on public social media since its a cesspool and waste of mental energy but i fully cheer on the people who do ha

Me neither. I just point out how clown and pretending to be intelectual those two are. I recognize a good story, otherwise I wouldn't recognize LoU1 great story despite not liking much of the gameplay part. But Cuckman is a soycuck, lets not pretend his head is full of pandering and fetish. I'm 100% this new game of his will be agenda-filled unless someone can provide me something to disprove this.

 

[Angry_Megalodon]

As a non-religious person with no biblical dog in the fight, it would be refreshing for once to see a “mainstream” creative actually tackle religion and its themes from the perspective(s) of it being/doing/providing GOOD MORALS; VALUES etc. obviously we know the many perversions of “it” throughout history, but the tired modern trope of “religion is actually just evil and bad and poopies” is so cliche and expected….heres hoping (with no real expectation) to get something different

No studio or present creator, let alone this grossly overrated man, has the talent to do that in the way you say.

Tribalism and virtue-signaling, they can't get past that.

 

[Clover904]

A game about faith and religion can be polarizing too. I guess the theme will be uplifting and feel good rather than depressing.

 

[FalsettoVibe]

Calling it now. This game will have a 9+
Meta score, look amazing, and y'all still gonna be mad.

 

[GermanZepp]

Druckman is an idiot. I hope the game sells below expectations and ruins his career. (Is not going to happen but, oh well)

 

[DaciaJC]

Persecution-complex, imo.

Like I said, all religions are the same, this goes even moreso for the three Abrahmic religions.

You're woefully ignorant of world events if you truly believe this.

 

[Fake]

Retarded.

 

[Killjoy-NL]

You're woefully ignorant of world events if you truly believe this.

Not at all.

In fact, it's all three Abrahamic religions that are fighting wars against eachother all the time, because they're all the same, but refuse to acknowledge it due to their biases.

 

[DaciaJC]

Not at all.

In fact, it's all three Abrahamic religions that are fighting wars against eachother all the time, because they're all the same, but refuse to acknowledge it due to their biases.

War, riiight.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Murder_of_Samuel_Paty
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Charlie_Hebdo_shooting

Slaughtering teachers and cartoonists because they "offended" your pedophile of a prophet definitely gives off war vibes and is certainly the type of activity that Christians and Jews are known to frequently partake in.

Get real, nobody buys your cultural relativism nonsense.

 

[Killjoy-NL]

War, riiight.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Murder_of_Samuel_Paty
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Charlie_Hebdo_shooting

Slaughtering teachers and cartoonists because they "offended" your pedophile of a prophet definitely gives off war vibes and is certainly the type of activity that Christians and Jews are known to frequently partake in.

Get real, nobody buys your cultural relativism nonsense.

How about that Israeli guy that shot two Palestinians in Miami recently, only to find out that the two Palestinians were Israelis, who themselves claimed they were victims of an antisemitic crime commited by Muslims, only to find out that the guy who shot them was an Israeli as well?

Jewish man mistakes two Israeli tourists for Palestinians and opens fire on them in Miami

Victims reportedly posted ‘death to Arabs’ on social media after shooting while suspect held on attempted murder charges

www.theguardian.com

Or what about the Oslo bombing by Breivik?

Norway's July 22, 2011, terror attack: a timeline

STAVANGER, Norway (AP) — A timeline of the events of July 2011, when Anders Behring Breivik attacked the Norwegian government and a Labor youth camp on the island of Utoya, killing a total of 77 people, and the court proceedings that followed:

apnews.com

Anyway, I'm out.

 

[TGO]

I think people are misreading Garland's response, he is literally saying " Who gives a shit" to Druckmann

 

[adamsapple]

jokes Intergalactic would get less hate due to religion theme​

That's .. not ..

 

[struggler_guts]

As a non-religious person with no biblical dog in the fight, it would be refreshing for once to see a “mainstream” creative actually tackle religion and its themes from the perspective(s) of it being/doing/providing GOOD MORALS; VALUES etc. obviously we know the many perversions of “it” throughout history, but the tired modern trope of “religion is actually just evil and bad and poopies” is so cliche and expected….heres hoping (with no real expectation) to get something different

No studio or present creator, let alone this grossly overrated man, has the talent to do that in the way you say.

Tribalism and virtue-signaling, they can't get past that.

It's called Kingdom Come Deliverance 1+2

Anytime I hear mention of christianity it's in a "help thy neighbor" kind of way

 

[damidu]

Calling it now. This game will have a 9+
Meta score, look amazing, and y'all still gonna be mad.

lol yeah. they'll all play it too.

 

[Toots]

"I've gotten in trouble, actually, because of trying to protect the story,"

Druckmann is so full of shit i can smell him from france.
The way they added joel in the tlou2 trailer implied heavily that he would be a huge presence and company to Ellie during whatever trip she was going to do.
Naughty dogs marketing team knew very well it would be an incentive for players who loved joel to buy the game.
What he says amount to "i know i fucked you over, but it was not to profit from you, it was for artistic reasons".
Who cares, the important thing is that you fucked people over, no matter the reason.

 

[Killjoy-NL]

Druckmann is so full of shit i can smell him from france.
The way they added joel in the tlou2 trailer implied heavily that he would be a huge presence and company to Ellie during whatever trip she was going to do.
Naughty dogs marketing team knew very well it would be an incentive for players who loved joel to buy the game.
What he says amount to "i know i fucked you over, but it was not to profit from you, it was for artistic reasons".
Who cares, the important thing is that you fucked people over, no matter the reason.

Are people really that mad about Joel getting killed?

 

[SEGAvangelist]

Nothing less controversial than religion and faith...

 

[Loomy]

My reaction exactly.

It's one thing to stick to your creative vision and decision, it's another thing to completely disrespect any fans who have different opinions.

This is one of the reasons I hate modern industry.

Have to disagree with this. It's not a new phenomenon by any means. I also don't think artists/creators should be too concerned with what their fans or audience wants. Do the work. If people like it, great. If they don't, that's fine too.

 

[Fake]

Are people really that mad about Joel getting killed?

Someone here really avoid the spoiler thread discussion.

 

[Ryu_Joestar]

This Garland dude sounds like a cunt

I don't understand why people needs to be so passive aggressive towards criticism over something they like

Smells like insecurity about their own preferences tbh

 

[Lokaum D+]

Druckman is one of the worst things to happen to video games.

 

[WellSheet]

It's called Kingdom Come Deliverance 1+2

Anytime I hear mention of christianity it's in a "help thy neighbor" kind of way

I need to play those!

Religion/religious tones/themes - overtly, not in totality- in the modern era, always seems to be delivered in the way Druckmann did in TLOU2; heavy-handed and as a way to say the cliche/trite “thing” - “religion is perverted because people are bad/bigots/evil/etc”. Remember the poor little trans-kid Lev? Oh those evil dead-naming psychopaths were out to get zim/zer! - there’s no nuance and there’s no gray area with these topics. That’s my complaint.

 

[Fake]

Smells like insecurity about their own preferences tbh

Speaking of insecurity.

 

[BbMajor7th]

Stories used to be more about the journey than the destination. It didn't matter where characters ended up, who lived or died, or whether or not it was a happy ending. What mattered was the journey: how characters responded to the world around them, what they learned about themselves and others, and what we as an audience took away from that. Now, storytelling is one big magic trick—all about the prestige and the payoff, about misdirecting an audience so that you can delight them with cheap thrills.

There is nothing cheaper or easier in storytelling than shocking the audience. You're in complete control of what the audience knows, sees, and hears. Surprise is just a case of withholding information. Druckmann's decision to actively put out disinformation about his own story shows how obsessed modern storytelling mediums have become with shock and awe. They're so laser-focused on the procession of events that they lose sight of the characters and motivations. That's exactly what happened with TLOU 2.

 

[proandrad]

Re is going to lose their shit if intergalactic story themes are an analogy to Palestine and Israel.

 

[Toots]

Are people really that mad about Joel getting killed?

Im really not sure i don't care much about TLOU but i hate druckmann vigoriously.
I think people felt betrayed by Joel's depiction in TLOU2, like people felt betrayed by Luke's depiction in rian "small" johnson star wars.

 

[lockdown2222]

Was the fake shot trailer the 2016 PlayStation experience TLOU2 trailer?

 

[Zacfoldor]

I don't disagree with anything in the interview but that ball gargling is sickening.

 

[Ryu_Joestar]

Was the fake shot trailer the 2016 PlayStation experience TLOU2 trailer?

Ssssh don't ask questions, just consume the product

 

[diffusionx]

This Garland dude sounds like a cunt

He is, but unlike Druckmann, he’s talented.

 

[Nigel]

He’s gonna subvert expectations and make it about the Isreal conflict.

 

[Zacfoldor]

I think people are misreading Garland's response, he is literally saying " Who gives a shit" to Druckmann

It reads to me like he's saying who gives a shit what fans think. I guess money and popularity are no longer a consideration for their ostensibly wonderful art.

These people smell their own farts. I don't care what else anyone says but these right here are the fart sniffers of this world.

 

[Mibu no ookami]

It reads to me like he's saying who gives a shit what fans think. I guess money and popularity are no longer a consideration for their ostensibly wonderful art.

These people smell their own farts. I don't care what else anyone says but these right here are the fart sniffers of this world.

It reads to you like that because you're entitled.

What he's actually saying is you don't create things in order to please everyone. When you do that, you get safe drivel that doesn't do or saying anything. Maybe that's your speed and that's fine, and he's accepting that. You're not going to sell to everyone and that's okay too. Someone you think you're entitled to like everything and be catered to in every way you want. If you think that way, look for media that you think you'll like and leave it at that.

 

[InterMusketeer]

He’s gonna subvert expectations and make it about the Isreal conflict.

Is it subversion if everyone expects it? Recent events probably made him question his own faith so now other people have to come along for the ride.

 

[omegasc]

Intergalactic is The Last of Us Part 3, about 500 years after Part 2. You read it here first.

 

[Sgt.Asher]

Isn't this just what a fuck load of jrpgs do? Go fight evil bad religion?

Unless this does subvert expectations and shows religion as a good thing, that would actually be interesting.

 

[TGO]

It reads to me like he's saying who gives a shit what fans think. I guess money and popularity are no longer a consideration for their ostensibly wonderful art.

These people smell their own farts. I don't care what else anyone says but these right here are the fart sniffers of this world.

See I took it as Druckmann having a little moan and Garland basically going.