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EDGE: "Power struggle: the real differences between PS4 and Xbox One performance"

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Stick that message in a TV ad along with being the cheaper of the two (yes, ignore the Wii U) and ingrain that message into consumers. It will have a bigger effect than even their E3 performance.
 
This thread is tearing my heart apart.

I have the XBONE Day One edition on pre-order at Gamestop. I really want to stick with them as I've put so much time into xbox getting my gamerscore to almost 50k. But with all this news, I dont want to be an early adopter then end up getting butt-screwed by M$ and they release a better updated xbox one within a year.


SOMEONE PLEASE CONVINCE ME TO KEEP MY XBONE PREORDER! PLEASE! Tell me everything is going to be ok. =[

I really don't want to start all over on the PS4 and also I'll deeply miss Halo and I want to try Titanfall. Plus I fuggin hated the PS controller ever since I laid my hands on an xbox one. But I refuse to get a subpar system. Someone give me advice, my head hurts now and I dont know what to do.
 
This thread is tearing my heart apart.

I have the XBONE Day One edition on pre-order at Gamestop. I really want to stick with them as I've put so much time into xbox getting my gamerscore to almost 50k. But with all this news, I dont want to be an early adopter then end up getting butt-screwed by M$ and they release a better updated xbox one within a year.


SOMEONE PLEASE CONVINCE ME TO KEEP MY XBONE PREORDER! PLEASE! Tell me everything is going to be ok. =[

I really don't want to start all over on the PS4 and also I'll deeply miss Halo and I want to try Titanfall. Plus I fuggin hated the PS controller ever since I laid my hands on an xbox one. But I refuse to get a subpar system. Someone give me advice, my head hurts now and I dont know what to do.

Games on Xbox One will be fine just lower res/lower framerate for multiplats most likely

Still will have good looking games but chances are later in the generation 1P PS4 games may outshine MS's offering

Controller for PS4 is all new and you may wish to try it before you decide

But if you really want halo you'll need an XB1 unless they release it for X360 too???

Also expecting bethesda games to be even more different comparatively between PS4 and XB1 due to their shoddy coding abilities

So Fallout 4, Next Elder scrolls may look worse than even other multiplats on XB1
 

nib95

Banned
This thread is tearing my heart apart.

I have the XBONE Day One edition on pre-order at Gamestop. I really want to stick with them as I've put so much time into xbox getting my gamerscore to almost 50k. But with all this news, I dont want to be an early adopter then end up getting butt-screwed by M$ and they release a better updated xbox one within a year.


SOMEONE PLEASE CONVINCE ME TO KEEP MY XBONE PREORDER! PLEASE! Tell me everything is going to be ok. =[

I really don't want to start all over on the PS4 and also I'll deeply miss Halo and I want to try Titanfall. Plus I fuggin hated the PS controller ever since I laid my hands on an xbox one. But I refuse to get a subpar system. Someone give me advice, my head hurts now and I dont know what to do.

They won't release an updated Xbox One in a year. Maybe a Kinectless, price dropped one. But not one with superior actual performance or hardware.

I do think if sales are less than spectacular, they'll keep this gen short like they did with the original Xbox and release a new console in 4-5 years.
 

astraycat

Member
This thread is tearing my heart apart.

I have the XBONE Day One edition on pre-order at Gamestop. I really want to stick with them as I've put so much time into xbox getting my gamerscore to almost 50k. But with all this news, I dont want to be an early adopter then end up getting butt-screwed by M$ and they release a better updated xbox one within a year.


SOMEONE PLEASE CONVINCE ME TO KEEP MY XBONE PREORDER! PLEASE! Tell me everything is going to be ok. =[

I really don't want to start all over on the PS4 and also I'll deeply miss Halo and I want to try Titanfall. Plus I fuggin hated the PS controller ever since I laid my hands on an xbox one. But I refuse to get a subpar system. Someone give me advice, my head hurts now and I dont know what to do.

Save up, get both. Better yet, wait until after launch, look at reviews to make a better informed decision then. The difference should be clear by then, and you'll feel better about choosing one over the other.

When you have to make a choice like this, I always feel like no matter which way I go I'm going to end up with buyer's remorse. Better to wait or get both, I say.
 

daman824

Member
This thread is tearing my heart apart.

I have the XBONE Day One edition on pre-order at Gamestop. I really want to stick with them as I've put so much time into xbox getting my gamerscore to almost 50k. But with all this news, I dont want to be an early adopter then end up getting butt-screwed by M$ and they release a better updated xbox one within a year.


SOMEONE PLEASE CONVINCE ME TO KEEP MY XBONE PREORDER! PLEASE! Tell me everything is going to be ok. =[

I really don't want to start all over on the PS4 and also I'll deeply miss Halo and I want to try Titanfall. Plus I fuggin hated the PS controller ever since I laid my hands on an xbox one. But I refuse to get a subpar system. Someone give me advice, my head hurts now and I dont know what to do.
Don't worry. The only huge problem is the $500 price tag. Games will look pretty much the same on both with the "huge" difference being resolution.

The ps4 may be 40%-50% stronger, but its not like you'r going to pop in your xb1 version of a next gen multiplatform and go "this looks terrible, the ps4 version looks like a whole different game."

If you liked the 360 thoughout its lifespan, like xbl, prefer the xb1 exclusives, prefer the xbox controller, and are fine paying $500, then go for the xb1. Both systems are beasts compared to current gen. And they will both produce amazing playing and amazing looking games.
 
Games on Xbox One will be fine just lower res/lower framerate for multiplats most likely

Still will have good looking games but chances are later in the generation 1P PS4 games may outshine MS's offering

Controller for PS4 is all new and you may wish to try it before you decide

But if you really want halo you'll need an XB1 unless they release it for X360 too???

Im buying a next gen system, thats a given. But I do own a PS3 and the only game i played on it was TLOU (which was A-W-E-S-O-M-E). But now im deeply considering going PS4 especially if everything is going to look so much better. Granted I may possibly by both systems in the future but I am soooo ready to get off this 8 year old tech. The prospect of next gen engine is too good to pass up. Im losing faith in MS, but its not all gone yet. I really need them to wow me before release day to renew my longing for their system.
 
Im buying a next gen system, thats a given. But I do own a PS3 and the only game i played on it was TLOU (which was A-W-E-S-O-M-E). But now im deeply considering going PS4 especially if everything is going to look so much better. Granted I may possibly by both systems in the future but I am soooo ready to get off this 8 year old tech. The prospect of next gen engine is too good to pass up. Im losing faith in MS, but its not all gone yet. I really need them to wow me before release day to renew my longing for their system.

Hmm I'm not sure PS4 multiplats will look "so much better" but they will look better

How much is bound to be subjective to some extent

Do you notice differences in resolutions?

1080P versus 900P?

60 frames per second vs 45-50?
 
This thread is tearing my heart apart.

I have the XBONE Day One edition on pre-order at Gamestop. I really want to stick with them as I've put so much time into xbox getting my gamerscore to almost 50k. But with all this news, I dont want to be an early adopter then end up getting butt-screwed by M$ and they release a better updated xbox one within a year.



These aren't PCS. there will be no updated Xbox. outside of maybe a die shrink or cosmetic refresh several years from now
 

daman824

Member
Im buying a next gen system, thats a given. But I do own a PS3 and the only game i played on it was TLOU (which was A-W-E-S-O-M-E). But now im deeply considering going PS4 especially if everything is going to look so much better. Granted I may possibly by both systems in the future but I am soooo ready to get off this 8 year old tech. The prospect of next gen engine is too good to pass up. Im losing faith in MS, but its not all gone yet. I really need them to wow me before release day to renew my longing for their system.
Get whatever system you want to get. Just know that either way, your going to get great games. And the other system isn't going anywhere either. Buying a xb1 on launch day doesn't mean you can't then save up for a ps4. And buying a ps4 at launch doesn't mean you can't get an xb1 later.
 
Hmm I'm not sure PS4 multiplats will look "so much better" but they will look better

How much is bound to be subjective to some extent

Do you notice differences in resolutions?

1080P versus 900P?

60 frames per second vs 45-50?

I can tell the difference between 1080P and 720P but I was debating on purchasing a new TV just for the next gen systems at this years black friday. IDK, i guess this article kinda gave me a bit of "pre-order remorse" if that makes any sense.
 
Get whatever system you want to get. Just know that either way, your going to get great games. And the other system isn't going anywhere either. Buying a xb1 on launch day doesn't mean you can't then save up for a ps4. And buying a ps4 at launch doesn't mean you can't get an xb1 later.

Yeah, if only it was that easy. I feel like im going to get the system and no matter which one I get im going to feel like I shouldve just waited.


...but if i do wait im going to wish I had got a release day system.


I CANT WIN.
 
Yeah, if only it was that easy. I feel like im going to get the system and no matter which one I get im going to feel like I shouldve just waited.


...but if i do wait im going to wish I had got a release day system.


I CANT WIN.

Get both on launch [if still possible]

Sell both on launch

Profit

Buy both a year from now

Win
 

astraycat

Member
Yeah, if only it was that easy. I feel like im going to get the system and no matter which one I get im going to feel like I shouldve just waited.


...but if i do wait im going to wish I had got a release day system.


I CANT WIN.

Just be smug that you're going to make an informed rather than knee-jerk fanboy decision. Maybe that'll take some of the edge off waiting.

Seriously though, wishing you had gotten a system on release day typically only lasts until you actually get the system. Then you can start worrying that you still made the wrong choice.
 
Get both on launch [if still possible]

Sell both on launch

Profit

Buy both a year from now

Win

how much would a day one xbox even go for?

$550?

$600?

Id basically be making gas money as a profit. and is there even a "day one ps4"? i thought all theirs are the same no matter what
 
how much would a day one xbox even go for?

$550?

$600?

Id basically be making gas money as a profit. and is there even a "day one ps4"? i thought all theirs are the same no matter what

Yeah lol I'm not sure what the resaleability of the XB1 is going to be like or the PS4 will be for that matter

To hard to tell

Really depends on how much each can ship
 
Just be smug that you're going to make an informed rather than knee-jerk fanboy decision. Maybe that'll take some of the edge off waiting.

Seriously though, wishing you had gotten a system on release day typically only lasts until you actually get the system. Then you can start worrying that you still made the wrong choice.

yeah, hopefully MS drops a MEGATON announcement before i get mines to make me feel like i made the right choice. I can only hope. if im not liking it, ill hook my ps4 into the tv and only use the xbox for halo5 and titanfall....sadly
 
yeah, hopefully MS drops a MEGATON announcement before i get mines to make me feel like i made the right choice. I can only hope. if im not liking it, ill hook my ps4 into the tv and only use the xbox for halo5 and titanfall....sadly

There really is no good reason to think MS still has a megaton up there sleeves imo

What reason would MS have to wait until now when pre-orders have been live since E3?

Maybe something will pop up in the IGN AMA haha
 
There really is no good reason to think MS still has a megaton up there sleeves imo

What reason would MS have to wait until now when pre-orders have been live since E3?

Maybe something will pop up in the IGN AMA haha

there is absolutely no reason they would drop one right now. which is why now is the best time to do it! everyone is in a lull....a calm before the inevitable storm before the systems release.

maybe throw in dead rising 3 for all american day one pre-orders? id take that.
 
there is absolutely no reason they would drop one right now. which is why now is the best time to do it! everyone is in a lull....a calm before the inevitable storm before the systems release.

maybe throw in dead rising 3 for all american day one pre-orders? id take that.

Ah yes that's actually not out of the realm of possibility

Although maybe madden is more likely?

Still not likely to happen

Would be interesting to say the least
 

astraycat

Member
there is absolutely no reason they would drop one right now. which is why now is the best time to do it! everyone is in a lull....a calm before the inevitable storm before the systems release.

maybe throw in dead rising 3 for all american day one pre-orders? id take that.

I think Dead Rising is a Capcom franchise.
 
Ah yes that's actually not out of the realm of possibility

Although maybe madden is more likely?

Still not likely to happen

Would be interesting to say the least

but i dont want madden :(

id even take ryse or forza 5. and gimme early access beta code for Destiny. SOMETHING MICROSOFT.

just selling me a console isnt enough, make me want your block of machinery.
 

OmahaG8

Member
This thread just keeps giving.

I'm buying both day 1, but I like to hear any good news either system has about more power, more anything.

I catch myself being caught up in fanboydom every so often, but I think it's just a habit/natural inclination of mine.
 

gohepcat

Banned
This argument is the distillation of the worst aspect of gaming.

This is the reason why people think gaming is childish...this RIGHT HERE.
 
This argument is the distillation of the worst aspect of gaming.

This is the reason why people think gaming is childish...this RIGHT HERE.

Which argument

There's quite a few in this thread?

Or are you referring to the general argument about performance difference?

And if so can I point you to petrolheads?

Or people who buy homes, or laptops, or phones or pretty much any product that isn't homogenized

People like the best value for money

It ain't childish
 

Klocker

Member
This thread is tearing my heart apart.

I have the XBONE Day One edition on pre-order at Gamestop. I really want to stick with them as I've put so much time into xbox getting my gamerscore to almost 50k. But with all this news, I dont want to be an early adopter then end up getting butt-screwed by M$ and they release a better updated xbox one within a year.


SOMEONE PLEASE CONVINCE ME TO KEEP MY XBONE PREORDER! PLEASE! Tell me everything is going to be ok. =[

I really don't want to start all over on the PS4 and also I'll deeply miss Halo and I want to try Titanfall. Plus I fuggin hated the PS controller ever since I laid my hands on an xbox one. But I refuse to get a subpar system. Someone give me advice, my head hurts now and I dont know what to do.


hyperbole throughout this thread with regard to the power differences. You will not be able to tell the games apart.

its all good. It's just some people will never admit it so they make irrelevant numbers addup to an opinion on their favorite console being more powerful
 
hyperbole throughout this thread with regard to the power differences. You will not be able to tell the games apart.

its all good. It's just some people will never admit it so they make stupid numbers addup to an opinion on their favorite console being more powerful

How do you know for a fact that he won't be able to tell the difference?

What happens if a bayonetta or Madden or Skyrim happens?
 

Cyrano

Member
I guess that makes sense. Looks like it's a choice between eye candy and potential gameplay improvements by the looks of it.
Gameplay hasn't needed an upgrade in decades now (aside from maybe physics engines, which have been laughably atrocious for decades now as well). All new consoles are about graphical power. They aren't even terribly pragmatic for that.
 

Skeff

Member
hyperbole throughout this thread with regard to the power differences. You will not be able to tell the games apart.

its all good. It's just some people will never admit it so they make irrelevant numbers addup to an opinion on their favorite console being more powerful

oh, i'll be re visiting this post sometime in november
 
there is absolutely no reason they would drop one right now. which is why now is the best time to do it! everyone is in a lull....a calm before the inevitable storm before the systems release.

maybe throw in dead rising 3 for all American day one pre-orders? id take that.

At this point Nothing MS did or gave away could make me Preorder an XB1.

Instead of spending money making their HW the best MS spent a boat load of cash on timed exclusives . If they can get you to drop your cash for the "Illusion" of exclusivity they have you for the life of the console.

For me to ever buy one Microsoft better be holding something back I haven't seen before.
 
hyperbole throughout this thread with regard to the power differences. You will not be able to tell the games apart.

its all good. It's just some people will never admit it so they make irrelevant numbers addup to an opinion on their favorite console being more powerful

thanks for letting me know what my eyes are capable of. where would i be without you.
 
At this point Nothing MS did or gave away could make me Preorder an XB1.

Instead of spending money making their HW the best MS spent a boat load of cash on timed exclusives . If they can get you to drop your cash for the "Illusion" of exclusivity they have you for the life of the console.

For me to ever buy one Microsoft better be holding something back I haven't seen before.

i agree. but thats probably why they did the timed exclusives. by the time they found out sony had a stronger system they were like "**** what do we do? i know! get timed exclusives so people think we have the better games!"


I swear if i wasnt in love with the xbox controller and online community id probably have left already.
 
This is pure insanity.

The PS4 is a good deal stronger then the XBO. Period.

TL;DR version.

* PS4 has a clear, significant advantage for traditional rendering.
* PS4 has a clear, significant advantage for GPGPU.
* PS4 is easier to develop for in the short term.
* PS4 has more customisation for better long term gains.
* Xbone using eSRAM muddies the waters, but general consensus is the PS4 has a clear RAM bandwidth advantage, and a single unified pool gives a clear development advantage.



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velociraptor

Junior Member
Gameplay hasn't needed an upgrade in decades now (aside from maybe physics engines, which have been laughably atrocious for decades now as well). All new consoles are about graphical power. They aren't even terribly pragmatic for that.
Yes gameplay improvements are likely to be based on physics. Resogun is a good example of this.
 

Cidd

Member
This is pure insanity.

The PS4 is a good deal stronger then the XBO. Period.

About the CU's ...

All are the same, no differences between them.

About the "balance". As Cerny said in the interview you can use them as you wish, render or GPGPU. They simply said that those "extra" 400 Gflops are "ideal" for gpgpu tasks instead of rendering, but it is up to you how to use them. Not that you can't gain anything using the 18 CU's for rendering, obviously you will see a difference using them only for rendering versus 14 CU's but they want to encourage devs to use gpgpu compute in ps4.

So it's a misunderstood that the gpu is unbalanced in any way.

This is all I wanted to hear from the people who actually make video games, thank you both for sharing.
 

Artorias

Banned
Get both on launch [if still possible]

Sell both on launch

Profit

Buy both a year from now

Win

I really hope people don't think that will be easy this time around. There will be way, way more machines available day one than last gen. You'd be lucky to make a few bucks.
 

Cyrano

Member
Yes gameplay improvements are likely to be based on physics. Resogun is a good example of this.
To be perfectly honest I doubt we'll see any huge jump in physics engines in the next-gen. I could be wrong but that was what everyone touted about this gen and that didn't even remotely happen.

I hate consoles primarily because their enhancement has always been about graphics and companies are now spending hundreds of millions of dollars on... hair physics, which I couldn't care less about. Maybe spend that same money on your writers and designers and we can talk AAA industry.
 
I really hope people don't think that will be easy this time around. There will be way, way more machines available day one than last gen. You'd be lucky to make a few bucks.

Yep I think that will likely happen this time around

Abundance of consoles in the US and UK at least

Not sure where else though
 

velociraptor

Junior Member
To be perfectly honest I doubt we'll see any huge jump in physics engines in the next-gen. I could be wrong but that was what everyone touted about this gen and that didn't even remotely happen.

I hate consoles primarily because their enhancement has always been about graphics and companies are now spending hundreds of millions of dollars on... hair physics, which I couldn't care less about. Maybe spend that same money on your writers and designers and we can talk AAA industry.
Yes most applications of 'PhysX' look pretty trivial.

However, I hear The Order has a nice degree of destructibility in store so perhaps we may see some use of GPGPU there.

I'm a fan of what Housemarque are doing with Resogun though. Warframe also looks pretty nice even if it is purely a visual effect.
 

Jack_AG

Banned
hyperbole throughout this thread with regard to the power differences. You will not be able to tell the games apart.

its all good. It's just some people will never admit it so they make irrelevant numbers addup to an opinion on their favorite console being more powerful
Yes! Ignore what many 3rd party developers have commented on. While you are at it, ignore technical specifications because those aren't fact - they just "addup to an opinion".

Riiiiiiiight.
 
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