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Damian black
Member
nice, but my X370 chip
you can still have the option to get a 3900/X when it gets cheaper.
it's only for zen3 eitherway. After that AM4 is dead.
MadchesterManc
Member
Having had a B350 since 2017, I've found all this drama a little amusing myself. I should probably upgrade the motherboard soon tho
alabtrosMyster
Member
Point #4 worries me--how will they verify who has purchased a Zen 3 CPU?
I hope Asus will make that upgrade path available.
When the "no zen 3 on any board before the 500 series" information came through I felt betrayed, my feeling is that even the x370 should work (at least the boards that can, I'm sure many could).
I hope Asus will make that upgrade path available.
I ear you, luckily for me I upgraded my x370 based board to an x470 a couple of months ago because I needed more full PCIe slots than what my old board had.nice, but my X370 chip
When the "no zen 3 on any board before the 500 series" information came through I felt betrayed, my feeling is that even the x370 should work (at least the boards that can, I'm sure many could).
PhoenixTank
Member
Silver Wattle
Gold Member
I just hope it doesn't cause issues, no idea why they choose to go this route in the first place.
SantaC
Member
I got the top of the line asus ch6 hero board. It is beefy enough for zen3 imo.Point #4 worries me--how will they verify who has purchased a Zen 3 CPU?
I hope Asus will make that upgrade path available.
I ear you, luckily for me I upgraded my x370 based board to an x470 a couple of months ago because I needed more full PCIe slots than what my old board had.
When the "no zen 3 on any board before the 500 series" information came through I felt betrayed, my feeling is that even the x370 should work (at least the boards that can, I'm sure many could).
Great Hair
Banned
Pathetic. First they lie and then show not to have any backbone". They saw how intel does it : "if Intel does it, so should we!" "woopsie, or not"
Now we have to wait for B350 owners to protest.
Now we have to wait for B350 owners to protest.
M1chl
Currently Gif and Meme Champion
I was fully expected, they cut the support for old CPUs and add new ones.Point #4 worries me--how will they verify who has purchased a Zen 3 CPU?
I hope Asus will make that upgrade path available.
I ear you, luckily for me I upgraded my x370 based board to an x470 a couple of months ago because I needed more full PCIe slots than what my old board had.
When the "no zen 3 on any board before the 500 series" information came through I felt betrayed, my feeling is that even the x370 should work (at least the boards that can, I'm sure many could).
Also this probably cause shitstorm on second-hand market, tho : D
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NOLA_Gaffer
Banned
Waiting on a Asrock Deskmini update, either via hardware refresh or BIOS update, and I think I'm finally jumping in on a Zen3 APU-based Gaming PC.
CuteFaceJay
Member
Wait what? So they can just backtrack on something like platform support? I don't understand what just happened as I thought this stuff was set in stone once the design and CPU has been put in place.
LazyParrot
Member
The only reason they said it wouldn't work was the size of the bios chips on 400 series boards being too small (16 MB instead of 32). It was a stupid excuse, since some X570 boards also have 16 MB chips, while some B450 boards have 32 MB chips. If size was a concern, all they'd have to do is drop support for older CPUs to make room for the new ones, which is presumably exactly what they'll be doing now.
alabtrosMyster
Member
They didn't backtrack on the storage space of bioses issue (whatever they call it)... They said that there would be dedicated zen3 bioses, when you upgrade your bios with it the mb won't boot on previous generation zen architectures and downgrade may or may not be supported.
The storage issue is indeed real, it was becoming an issue since Zen 2, but good to know that they went exactly with an option that I was thinking, removing the support for older generations to make space in the BIOS.
Since both 3XX and 4XX are the same chip, I think even X370s will support it.
Since both 3XX and 4XX are the same chip, I think even X370s will support it.
cookiemuffin
Member
we did it reddit
10000
Banned
I'm glad folks from reddit and YT fights hard complaining about this
also a nice gesture from AMD to admit they are wrong
in the other hands, ASUS still doesn't update their X370 boards with AGESA BIOS until now after announced it like one years ago, so this implementation will be vary from one vendor to another
also a nice gesture from AMD to admit they are wrong
in the other hands, ASUS still doesn't update their X370 boards with AGESA BIOS until now after announced it like one years ago, so this implementation will be vary from one vendor to another
Ascend
Member
Asus mentioned already that they would've preferred simply going forward with 500 series and not support the 400 series for Zen 3. MSI was pushing to include support of 400 series. Gigabyte and Asrock were neutral.
The problem (as I understand it) is for the MB manufacturers.
You cant have support for Ryzen 1 - 2 - 3 and 4000 series at the same time so just how do you ship your MB:s? (After 4000-series is shipped).
If you leave out some you will piss of the customer.
On some MB you can boot in a special mode and upgrade the bios from a USB-stick (without a CPU present) but is is still pretty tricky for a "normal" PC-user and its not very common. On some MB you have to have a supported CPU to boot so you can flash the bios.
Update BIOS yourself if you can.
Ask the retalier to do it (for a charge)
Use another CPU you have to boot and upgrade CPU so you can use the CPU you really want.
Loan a "boot kit" - basically AMD will send you a CPU in the mail so you can upgrade.
The "problem" with B450 and X470 is that it supports 1000-2000 and 3000 series CPU "out of the box".
The B550 and X570 supports 2000 and 3000 series CPU "out of the box" - and there is still space left in the BIOS for 4000 series CPU.
In a way I also think AMD tried to do this (limiting 4000 series CPU to X570/B550) to please the MB manufactures. Its a cutthroat market with very low margins and having to support your MB for multiple generations costs money and at the same time kills the need to buy new MBs.
PhoenixTank
Member
It gets complicated but yes the end result is that these beta BIOSes on the 400 series will remove support for older CPUs. Gamers Nexus did a bunch of digging on it before today's news:
The short version is that CPUs before Zen2/Matisse cannot read from a BIOS chip (partition) larger than 16MB; but the video is still worth a watch.
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newtypepilot
Member
yea gamer nexus's video above describes it pretty well. AMD painted themselves into a corner.
llien
Banned
Thank god for stopping the suffering of Intel users, somehow they always are the ones most affected by anything AMD related, chuckle.
Having to tailor BIOS update to your CPU is poised to cause problems, pragmatically, AMD is better off this way.
The fact that it really doesn't fit into bios shows there probably weren't any evil intents by Lisa.
Having to tailor BIOS update to your CPU is poised to cause problems, pragmatically, AMD is better off this way.
The fact that it really doesn't fit into bios shows there probably weren't any evil intents by Lisa.
