He's not like that at all. Come on, friend. Not even a blind man would walk away with that interpretation of this Superman. I think too many of you are projecting false attributes onto the character due to your dislike of it not being what you wanted, if this is what you walk away with.
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Batman v. Superman RT Thread: like standing ovations in rain
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Oh he is. Floating around, letting people worship him. Instead of having a conversation he acts like he can't interact with these people. Fucking stoic. When
people get blown to smithereens
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Nope.
That's what he is because snyder doesn't know what to do with him.
Yeah, that's a complete misrepresentation of DCEU Supes. He actually cares too much and that's the problem, because he tries to do the best he can and a very vocal minority spend half the movie
shitting on him, framing him for atrocities, and dragging him down to humanity's level.
I don't want to go into spoiler territory in this thread, but frankly he's not. His entire arc in the movie is him being conflicted at how everyone is reacting to him at opposite ends, and this is problematic for him, because that's the human qualities in him and he doesn't know how to handle it. Your issue is with his reactions to all of this, and the fact that he's not handling all of this the way you want your preferred version of Superman to. A Superman he's clearly on his way to becoming. You're attributing false characteristics onto him as a result of this. The movie is pretty clear about this, and I don't see how you can misinterpret that unless you're willingly being dumb. To compare him to Dr. Manhattan, a character that I'm sure I'm not misremembering, is beyond silly. It makes no sense.
Username1198
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So what was the general consensus on Gaf about
man of steel where
I know I didn't like it. Plus it was boring.
man of steel where
suoerman kills sod?
I know I didn't like it. Plus it was boring.
JimJamJones
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Just leaving the theater. That was certainly a movie, to say the least.
Batflek was by far the best part. WW, who I ripped on leading up to release, was pretty great.
Lex was straight trash, and the movie lacked a good amount of necessary exposition.
Batflek was by far the best part. WW, who I ripped on leading up to release, was pretty great.
Lex was straight trash, and the movie lacked a good amount of necessary exposition.
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Probably one of the last things you could describe as having a general consensus on gaf
StopMakingSense
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I didn't mind the act, given the context. The setup and scene is completely terrible though.
AlfredX1990
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Quoting old posts while catching up
I have an idea
I doubt it
I though this was a thread about Iron Man 3 and how it's the greatest movie in the trilogy
I mean, it was extremely hinted
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I have an idea
I got lost after the third dream, so maybe
I doubt it
I though this was a thread about Iron Man 3 and how it's the greatest movie in the trilogy
I mean, it was extremely hinted
Maybe it needs more kissing.
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Username1198
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So there were people who thought what he did was ok?
TheSlySoul
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If Justice League starts out without Superman saying Man of Steel and Dawn of Justice was a dream I think I can forgive them.
What am I supposed to see there? His most recent tweet is about a visit to Jimmy Fallon.
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He flies around the world backwards reversing time to the tornado, saves Pa Kent and says "You're wrong. You've been wrong my whole life. I have to believe they're better than you ever taught me."
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This movie is so unkid friendly for the first hour and half. They'll be bored out of their minds and confused. Which is a fucking shame.
Ragnorok64
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The trailer for this movie actively damaged my viewing experience.
Fair enough, but I'm seeing the parallels. In those moments when he's in the Superman suit 'cold' comes to mind. Vacant. Even when
he's upset it isn't tears, it's staring out over a balcony like an alien
in-human so much of the time
Contrast that with Man of Steel, when he's getting interrogated. He has a charm there, a Superman charm, that he's devoid of in this film whenever he has the suit on.
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Yeah, quite a few actually
I could have swore a couple days ago Affleck retweeted sad Affleck. I might have misremembered.
That's kind of the point though. Come on, I know you are smarter than this.
This isn't Superman from Man of Steel. This is Superman who's been blamed for thousands of deaths, is having trouble with the fact that people look at him and treat him as an alien, when he's been raised as and very much has the qualities of a human being. This is the central theme of his character. The entire movie is showing that despite these internal conflicts, and the extreme reactions of the world, he's someone who has the best of men within him. Even Batman's entire arc is linked to this since he's the complete contrast. Someone who's more experienced, broken, and on the opposite end of the spectrum. Yet he's also clearly coming around thanks in part to Superman's actions.
It's basic storytelling and the movie pretty much beats you over the head with it. I genuinely don't understand how people are so attached to a character that you're unable to divorce yourselves a little and see what's playing out in front of you. The man is one step removed from being the Superman you're all wishing he was. We're just getting a story of him reaching there which is obviously ending in Justice League.
Well, no actually. Justice League is the end of this arc. You'll get that Superman in the movie after that since he'll have reached that stage. If you actually paid attention to what you're watching instead of being fixated on whatever Superman you wanted from your comic books, this would be pretty apparent.
I ... I just want to see Superman.
Whatever character they showed me, whatever part of his arc he's on, it wasn't that great. It wasn't well written. It wasn't that interesting. Oh, the only way *spoilers*
they could truly appreciate him was that ending
I know what they're doing, it just wasn't done well, IMO.
On a basic level it isn't. He's not supposed to be perfect in the context of this world. And I don't read comics, so you'll forgive me if he's perfect there. He's obviously someone who represent the best qualities in a person however. The same way this new Batman could be, until he ended up broken. It's just that they have different breaking points.
Despite also being a murderous dude himself... Captain America in the MCU has more qualities of being a Superman than Superman in this Snyderverse.
This guy knows that when trying to save people, you can't save them all... but you keep trying because that's what you do. The Superman in the DCU saves a few people then gets upset that he wasn't able to save the others and goes into the Himalayas for some soul searching or goes to ask Ma Kent/Lois Lane for advice.. come on now.
This guy knows that when trying to save people, you can't save them all... but you keep trying because that's what you do. The Superman in the DCU saves a few people then gets upset that he wasn't able to save the others and goes into the Himalayas for some soul searching or goes to ask Ma Kent/Lois Lane for advice.. come on now.
NipplesAndToes23
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I definitely see what the critics are talking about now. I know they aren't on some bullshit. That shit was a mess.
Colossus in Deadpool felt more like Superman than Superman in the Snyderverse as well
Hopefully he'll be rewarded with Mjolnir epicness in Infinity War
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It's kind of insane that the OT is less than a 10th the size of this thread
maximum360
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First Avengers was decent. It was enjoyable but not exceptional. The second Avengers was entirely forgettable though. I felt cheated out of a ticket on that one. The first Captain America also was not a great movie. The second was better.
Lets go through the recent superhero flicks.
The first is the Amazing Spiderman 1 and 2. They were both hot garbage. If I had not paid for the tickets my wife and I would have walked out of the theater on the first one. The second one I waited until video.
The recent Xmen films were good and far superior to anything Wolverine only.
Iron Man 1>2>>3 [the last 15 minutes of the movie was just laughably bad]
I like the Dark Knight Trilogy but the second movie was definitely the best for me.
I just saw Bats and Sups go at it and I liked the movie. I liked Man of Steel as well so I guess it made sense. To date, no Superman movie has a credible Lex Luthor. They're all bad and in this movie he was the one thing that was just out of place.
I'm hoping the next Captain America will keep pace with the last iteration and the upcoming suicide squad will be good as well.
BTW, I wasn't a big fan of the Guardians of the Galaxy. I felt that was entirely overrated and I felt the same way about Deadpool. Maybe that was more due to not being a fan or Ryan Reynolds. He has annoyed me since Blade 3.
Piku_Ringo
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It clearly shows someone on staffed played the games with this movie
Here's what I wrote on this topic in the spoiler thread.
Okay, so I talked a lot about how Batman is an awful character, but I've left Superman's character arc alone for a bit. Lets fix that.
Ever since Man of Steel came out, I've heard one general idea repeated endlessly: That Zack Snyder focus's more on the super part than the man. He'd rather look at what Superman is as an idea or symbol or god than as a person.
This is double-downed on HARD in BvS, and not only is it to the film's detriment, it's in many ways the source of all the film's problems.
The central conceit of the film is that while Superman goes around saving people, he doesn't actually connect with them. He grabs a space prob, and then lays it down, and people are stretching their hands to touch his body.
The guy isn't even looking at them, let alone talking to them. He's acting as alienating, in every sense of the word, as possible. Which isn't to say that that makes the media's reaction intelligent or rational, but he's not helping matters when he's so distant that he can't bring himself to talk to the people he's going out of his way to save.
And then there's Lex's whole thing. His entire motivation is himSuperman. But at no point does Superman go "Hey, dipstick, can youprojecting his hangups about God ontoThis makes no sense in the wake of even Man of Steel. There, he gave himself over to the military, saved then, and at the end, he even enjoyed a good back and forth with the army general about taking down the drones. If he can get someone to trust him, even insomuch as that a fucking general feels comfortable bitching openly to Superman's face for breaking their toy, then why stop that? Why isstop with this God association bullshit? I'm not God. I'm never claimed to be God. Having powers doesn't make me God. I'm not all powerful. I'm just trying to help people out."? Why doesn't he talk to the people who are literally worshiping him so they can get a sense that he's not as different from them as he thinks? Explain that your from Kansas, that you grew up on a farm, that you have a girlfriend. You know, human stuff. When hehis first attempt to communicate with people something as formal and cold as a senator committee meeting, as stupid as that scene is, it's the first time that he has a human conversation with someone outside of Lois, and guess what?begs Batman to save his motherAnd how does this whole character arc conclude?Batman is overcome with such empathy that he immediately switches from wanting to kill Superman's BFF ("Hi, Mrs. Kent. I'm a friend of you son.").What the fuck, Superman wasn't"The world honored him the only way they knew how. A soldier."It speaks volumes as to how poorly they knew Superman that when they finally turn around on his public image, they goa soldier! Not remotely! You don't bury citizens who die trying to save others like military.The world image turned around on Superman from evil to good, but they never actually connected with him, never understood him as a person."Uh, how do be bury him" "Idk, as a soldier I guess?"
This problem can do nothing but exasperate itself when. You think he's worshiped as a god now, wait untilsuperman comes backhe fucking rises again, bonus points if it only takes 3 days.
Fuck this movie, goddamn.
You're describing a problem that changes shape, but never actually resolves itself. Superman is as disconnected with people sans Batman as he was at the beginning of the film, with the sole difference being is that they worship him as a benevolent god instead of a potentially malicious one.
CharminUltra
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Just saw it. Didn't love it, didn't hate it. I'd rank it somewhere below Iron Man 3, but above Green Lantern.
5/10
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Colossus and Negasonic were adorable as mentor/barely-interested mentee.
Captain America had his development fast forwarded in the form of a montage so that we've ended up with him in his developed state. He went through war and learned all of this off-screen pretty much.
Superman hasn't had the development yet, and these movies are based around him becoming an ideal or whatever. You can dislike that for various reasons, and it's fine, but many of you tend to act dumb about it. It's clear you want these characters in their developed states, but at the same time, there's a blatant ignorance in the level of critical thinking applied that it just comes across as a little bit childish.
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In Watchmen, they refer to Dr.Manhattan literally as 'The Superman'. That's interesting.
BVS even says 'The world is introduced to The Superman' on white background when the metropolis destruction scene starts. I thought that was very Watchmeny when I finished watching it.
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